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rose
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 		Was Santos Jiminez's name changed by being in witness protection? Was that his name after he entered witness protection, or before?

If it was his name after entering witness protection, I don't think his relations...son... would have the same name.

I'm not really feeling that this name speculation will take us too far.

So how did the killer get the same tape that SH now has? Did he make his own recording? Or why wouldn't he take the tape from the crime scene if he knew it was being recorded...

Dunno --really not feeling this right now , maybe the other evidence will shed some light.

So anyone up for a guess that this "attorney" with the audio is F8? oh and that F8 was also consulted by the identity theft victim which led him to the matthiew guy--san diego crime scene?? Or maybe F8 is a cop --like dexter?? but he doesn't seem like a cop in his sleep videos, he looks like a professional guy...though it would be fun if he turned out to know about sleep suberbly because he knows Vince Masuka casually and Vince mentioned it to him.
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 		Attorney isnt a bad idea.
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rose wrote:
Was Santos Jiminez's name changed by being in witness protection? Was that his name after he entered witness protection, or before?


I've been thinking about this and I'm pretty sure that "Santos Jimenez" is his name prior to entering witsec. When they looked up his file they found him under that name, and all that was there post-witsec was that forwarding address. They may have talked about it more. I'm going to go check it out.

rose wrote:
So anyone up for a guess that this "attorney" with the audio is F8?


I just want to tell you that I started crazy laughing at the idea of an attorney being a serial killer. Something about that just seems so right. I just started laughing again. I'm serious, this is a deep and abiding laugh. I feel like "lawyer" got tossed around with a bunch of white collar professions when the second session video turned up, but this is the first time I've really liked one of the possibilities. And also the first time one had me in hysterics. I wish I could tell you why I think it's so hilarious.

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 		And I agree with who said they dont like posting on the other forum.It screws with the game in my head .I posted a couple times there but prefer sticking here for posts.Alot of good work on here.Smile
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 		Being that Dexter is my favorite TV show by far, I love the idea of a Dexter alternate reality game since the idea of alternate reality games intrigue me. I've got to re-watch this week's briefing. The Santos Jimenez that Dexter killed (with a chainsaw since that's how Laura Moser was killed) was definitely the Santos Jimenez who killed his mother. I just watched the season two episode "Morning Comes" when Dexter kills Jimenez last Thursday (and unfortunately for me encountered a spoiler in my investigation of the name since this is my first time watching season two) so I remember that episode well this week. One of my favorite season two episodes so far, by the way.

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 		Yes the shows a fav of mine as well.But you must read the 4 books as well.5th this sept.
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 		I don't think that another person using the name Santos Jimenez was killed by the Infinity Killer. That's pretty unlikely because the police found the body of the Jimenez that Infinity killed, and we know that Dexter killed the right person. The time when Dexter killed him is a question, though. Season one ends during Christmas time. Then, when season two starts ten months later, only weeks have passed according to Dexter. Unless the producers were skipping weeks with every episode (unlikely), the month that Dexter killed Santos is inconsistent, but anyway.

What if the Infinity Killer took the body so it would be like he killed Jimenez, taking credit for Dexter's kill? What if he's been following Dexter and knows his secret without Dexter noticing? That plotline would have to be expanded, but could be interesting. Maybe the Infinity Killer is already a character on the show and we don't know it, and F8 is associated with the Infinity Killer in some way? I'm sure there's more to the plotl ine than "F8 is the Infinity Killer, now find his name."

If you quote me and state what happens to Jimenez's body after Dexter doesn't dispose of it at the end of the episode "Morning Comes" and instead goes to help Rita and her kids, please put that in the spoiler tag because I haven't seen the episode after that ("Resistance Is Futile") yet. It would probably help my theory if I knew what happens to Jimenez's body, and I will have seen that episode by the end of the week.

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MICHAELSD wrote:
I don't think that another person using the name Santos Jimenez was killed by the Infinity Killer. That's pretty unlikely because the police found the body of the Jimenez that Infinity killed, and we know that Dexter killed the right person. The time when Dexter killed him is a question, though. Season one ends during Christmas time. Then, when season two starts ten months later, only weeks have passed according to Dexter. Unless the producers were skipping weeks with every episode (unlikely), the month that Dexter killed Santos is inconsistent, but anyway.

What if the Infinity Killer took the body so it would be like he killed Jimenez, taking credit for Dexter's kill? What if he's been following Dexter and knows his secret without Dexter noticing? That plotline would have to be expanded, but could be interesting. Maybe the Infinity Killer is already a character on the show and we don't know it, and F8 is associated with the Infinity Killer in some way? I'm sure there's more to the plotl ine than "F8 is the Infinity Killer, now find his name."

If you quote me and state what happens to Jimenez's body after Dexter doesn't dispose of it at the end of the episode "Morning Comes" and instead goes to help Rita and her kids, please put that in the spoiler tag because I haven't seen the episode after that ("Resistance Is Futile") yet. It would probably help my theory if I knew what happens to Jimenez's body, and I will have seen that episode by the end of the week.


I will tell you this, without spoilers: they are not the same person. For one, you've seen that episode--and you saw him get chopped up with a chainsaw. You don't just put yourself back together magically after you're dead, unless you're the T-1000 (possible, I guess).

Second, this victim--the Infinity victim, I mean, that Santos Jimenez--was 36 at the time of his death in 2008. Dexter's Santos Jimenez was 57 at the time of his death in 2007, which the Dexter website actually lists precisely (conveniently) on 4/11/2007, 11:43 p.m.

Whatever their link, they are most decidedly not the same person.

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 		Very odd. I guess Infinity's Santos had a fake ID and the police didn't bother checking past that once they found it.

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MICHAELSD wrote:
Very odd. I guess Infinity's Santos had a fake ID and the police didn't bother checking past that once they found it.


Just because they're not physically the same person, doesn't mean that the names are incorrect. We could be dealing with a false identity, or we could be dealing with someone with the same name.




Also, on an unrelated note, I've made like a ridiculously comprehensive post about everything that has transpired so far in the game on my website: http://angelnorelation.com/f8/.

Seriously, that's everything. I don't think I'm missing anything. I've been writing it all down in my important book of things that I do when I'm supposed to be doing something else instead. So if you're behind...you should check it out. I actually even transcribed all of the videos. I still need to transcribe the audio files, but that's all I'm missing as of this moment in time.

Also there I put up some stuff about Santos Jimenez.

Well, I'm a huge nerd, and now I'm going to go to sleep.

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rose
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 		So no new audio yet? I really wonder if we missed something in the audio we have...I just don't hear anything notable or unusual in it. If it is a word clue from F8's dialog, then there are so many possibilities that I don't know where to start.

I prefer posting here as well, simply because this is where I always post and these are the people I play games with.
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 		is anyone else having problems with the huntress site this morning?

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 		Nope, site is working fine and Dee says she will post her "new evidence" sometime this a.m. THX bigtime, angelnorelation, for your mega-summary.
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angelnorelation wrote:
I offer another possibility: maybe the link isn't intentional on Infinity's part. Maybe he shares lots of similarities with Dexter, and maybe he even went after Jimenez for some kind of reason like Dexter did, but maybe he doesn't know about Jimenez-as-killed-by-Dexter. After all, I'm not sure Jimenez would ever have been officially logged as one of the Butcher's victims; he was killed long after his dumping grounds had been discovered and I don't think anyone ever actually found Jimenez's body. I think this is the case (at least according to what happened onscreen) but I could be mistaken. I am, however, a huge nerd about Dexter, so I suspect that I am correct.

Doh! I wasn't even thinking about Jimenez just disappearing. (Darn does season 2 seem so long ago now!) You're right, Jimenez shouldn't have been found by anyone since Dexter already started disposing of his bodies elsewhere. So that does leave us with either coincidence or some sort of personal knowledge of Dexter himself. I can't remember, did Doakes ever specifically know that Dexter had killed Jimenez? Maybe, he told someone? And Jimenez attacked Dexter at the bowling alley; anyone that witnessed it could have put two and two together if they went looking into who Jimenez was and found out that he had just disappeared. Again, I can't remember if Lila ever specifically found out about Jimenez either. So, her telling someone is another possibility.

angelnorelation wrote:
This one can't be it. Our victim listed as "Santos Jimenez" in the Infinity case is too young to have been THE Santos Jimenez. In fact, this victim would have been an infant when Laura Moser was killed.

Ah, you're right. Age doesn't match. Strike that one!

angelnorelation wrote:
I've been trying to figure out how much of this is going to carry into the show, since sometimes it's a lot and sometimes it's only a couple of things. It's a tough call. I don't think Infinity is going to be catchable within this game, though, so that's something.

I wholeheartedly agree with that. And to add to it, I'm going to put stakes down that I think Infinity is going to kill Dee before the game is over. Twisted Evil

angelnorelation wrote:
There's a disconnect between agencies here that might not necessarily alert someone to the fact that they were looking at a person involved with witsec. I like Infinity for trying to kill identity thieves and I think it's possible here, but it's clear from the differences between the two murders we know much about that there's something else at play here even if they're united by identity theft of some kind.

I included it because it is a possibility, but I'm really just not feeling this one. I'll admit that the police may not have been fully thorough with making sure Jimenez remained anonymous through the WitSec, but I think they still would have the paperwork on file somewhere. So unless they're total idiots, there would likely be at least some discrepancy that would tip them off to the new body not actually being Jimenez.

So that leaves the strongest theory:
angelnorelation wrote:
degravedi wrote:
Theory 3: Maybe it's a Santos Jimenez Jr that took over the family business? I wish I could remember if there had been any mention of him having a son in the show. That would also explain why Dee makes it sound as if the police were currently trying to arrest him for drug trafficking.

This is what I'm thinking. I suspect you read this on the Serial Huntress forums, because:
degravedi wrote:
ETA: *forehead smack* I really need to start reading the other board more.
[Reposting your info from the other board over here too]
angelnorelation wrote:
I find the age difference perplexing but also curious--this victim would've been born right about the time the first Santos Jimenez was going into witness protection. Actually I did the math...the elder Santos Jimenez would've gone into witsec a year after the birth of the younger Santos Jimenez. Relation?

angelnorelation wrote:
Second, this victim--the Infinity victim, I mean, that Santos Jimenez--was 36 at the time of his death in 2008. Dexter's Santos Jimenez was 57 at the time of his death in 2007, which the Dexter website actually lists precisely (conveniently) on 4/11/2007, 11:43 p.m.
Whatever their link, they are most decidedly not the same person.

I think this is the best research done on this, totally great work! Until proven otherwise, at least I'm convinced that the new victim will be Santos Jimenez the younger.

angelnorelation wrote:
Also, on an unrelated note, I've made like a ridiculously comprehensive post about everything that has transpired so far in the game on my website: http://angelnorelation.com/f8/.

And that recap is just spectacular!

rose wrote:
So no new audio yet?
amandel wrote:
Nope, site is working fine and Dee says she will post her "new evidence" sometime this a.m.

This is killing me! It's now 3pm EST, which is not morning by any stretch of the imagination. After expecting and not getting something new to pursue last night I'm wound up like a spring darn it! Laughing

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 		I believe Dee will be attackrd or killed at the end as well.But I feel she maybe involved with killer myself.
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