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FilmEdge
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This has me wondering if the presumed disappearance of Josh's father might be a parallel to Roy Neary leaving with the ETs at the end of CE3K? Told from his son's point of view, as it were.

Though it would appear the father may have been in on the secret project instead of a 'random' civilian caught up in it.

Hmmm, son searching for clues about his missing father and a computer's involved... nah! Cool

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simone5p
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Xeno Lambrose wrote:
Josh posted on the Top Ten Real Conspiracies website as of 6/5/10 @ 7:41pm:
"Hey - new to this site. Does anyone know the best way to authenticate something? Like old papers, photos, footage, etc? Are there experts for conspiracy related verifications? Would appreciate the help!"

http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread83236/pg12

Hi Xeno, thanks. Yeah I get that Josh posted the above on 6th May, the day before the trailer was released, and on 7th May, the printout became available which said, "Stop posting publicly. I have proof. " Apparently Mystery Person can authenticate the "it" (film?) Josh has, but I am wondering how the HLM website fits into this... are we missing something there... because we've gleaned clues from every other site. I guess that was my diluted point.

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Xeno Lambrose
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OK, I'm on the same track with you.

It's amazing that the written lanquage, with all its complexities, can be so difficult for us communicate with, and how much we rely on being able to hear (with all the inflections, etc.) and see (with its corresponding gestures, etc.) someone get our point across adequately. Each of us knows what we want to express, but convincing the other person of just what's on our mind in the print medium can be a handful.

And with that stated, I think therein lies one of the BIG problems with what you've mentioned regarding the HLM site. The PMs know what THEY want conveyed from the site, but we're the ones having the problems decyphering/decoding/analyzing it.

Any theories what we might have overlooked?

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Melodyman
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Dunno.. My guess is that HLM is just to show that Josh is a regular guy with a hobby for old fish and this site is just a way of showing us that he is a regular guy like you n me who has started a website about his current interest and thru passing of events will be caught up in this mystery.

One thing tho..

Having a bit of trouble understanding how Josh could figure out how to use an old computer when he cant seem to figure out how to post easily on his HLM site..

Unless he just was messing around and hit some buttons and voila..
We'll see ..

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Melodyman wrote:
Dunno.. My guess is that HLM is just to show that Josh is a regular guy with a hobby for old fish and this site is just a way of showing us that he is a regular guy like you n me who has started a website about his current interest and thru passing of events will be caught up in this mystery.

One thing tho..

Having a bit of trouble understanding how Josh could figure out how to use an old computer when he cant seem to figure out how to post easily on his HLM site..

Unless he just was messing around and hit some buttons and voila..
We'll see ..


The old computer could have been automated, you plug it in, turn it on, and it just does it's thing, starts the pdp sim and whatever remote software would need to run so that you can access the machine remotely (of course you would need some sort of phone or internet connection to the machine for this to be possible).

Or it could have come with instructions. It's possible! Very Happy
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Xeno Lambrose wrote:
OK, I'm on the same track with you.

It's amazing that the written lanquage, with all its complexities, can be so difficult for us communicate with, and how much we rely on being able to hear (with all the inflections, etc.) and see (with its corresponding gestures, etc.) someone get our point across adequately. Each of us knows what we want to express, but convincing the other person of just what's on our mind in the print medium can be a handful.

And with that stated, I think therein lies one of the BIG problems with what you've mentioned regarding the HLM site. The PMs know what THEY want conveyed from the site, but we're the ones having the problems decyphering/decoding/analyzing it.

Any theories what we might have overlooked?


Except for one thing, possibly: whether it's TRON or SUPER 8 ARGs, every time we've gotten stuck in a game, it's because we were missing a key clue to solve that step. That is, the PMs were deliberately withholding clues to keep the scheduled pace of the game.

I don't recall any instances for either ARG where we reached a solution to a puzzle/phase, then looked back and found "missed" clues we could have used to solve it earlier than when they provided the key clue to us.

So far, it seems we're playing the games as designed, just not quickly enough to suit some enthusiastic players (nothing wrong with that). Again, we're nearly a year away from release on SUPER 8, this phase of the game *should* proceed somewhat slowly so the ARG doesn't run out of game to play before Summer 2011.

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Not sure if this has been asked (or answered), but on the paper from the CL's and the 1-800 # was it Mrs. Evelyn Minker or Ms. Evelyn Minker (Misses or Miss)? This can be relevant cuz we seem to be assuming the dad's last name is Minker. If Josh was raised by his mom and didn't know his dad (dead before birth or shortly thereafter due to Super 8 events, or parents weren't married) then he'd have her last name not his.

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Xeno Lambrose
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I don't believe it's been asked/answered (if so, take cover to avoid the trout), but it's certainly been thought about.

And we're left with a couple of ways of looking at things:

1. Either Josh knows of his father, or doesn't.
2. Josh's father was either married to Evelynn, or wasn't.
3. Josh's father is still living, or isn't.
4. Josh is either adopted, or not.

And what is Josh's father's name? In the HLM posts, Josh says, "since mine isn't "Mr. Cartwright"" might even be construed as a reference that his father's name was/is Cartwright. I haven't been able to find anything yet along these lines, though.

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Fire Penguin
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TrystanQuinn wrote:
Not sure if this has been asked (or answered), but on the paper from the CL's and the 1-800 # was it Mrs. Evelyn Minker or Ms. Evelyn Minker (Misses or Miss)? This can be relevant cuz we seem to be assuming the dad's last name is Minker. If Josh was raised by his mom and didn't know his dad (dead before birth or shortly thereafter due to Super 8 events, or parents weren't married) then he'd have her last name not his.

The CL ads didn't refer to her directly at all, and the recording used her first name as opposed to M(r)s. Minker. So we don't know whether she was married as of right now.

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Melodyman
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The fact that this mystery person who is talking to Josh has told him to be careful. keep quiet and take down the CL ads point to there being two sides at least of this story.. Obviously, the mystery person was involved with Josh's fathers work on this mystery and knows that Josh is in danger if they find out he has found this stuff of his dads..and those who are looking for any appearances of this secret stuff..
It would seem that he is concerned for Josh's safety if they find out he has uncovered this stuff..
So, whatever happened in 1979 the players are still involved and obviously, they are still looking for ?????? today.

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velocity
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Melodyman wrote:
The fact that this mystery person who is talking to Josh has told him to be careful. keep quiet and take down the CL ads point to there being two sides at least of this story.. Obviously, the mystery person was involved with Josh's fathers work on this mystery and knows that Josh is in danger if they find out he has found this stuff of his dads..and those who are looking for any appearances of this secret stuff..
It would seem that he is concerned for Josh's safety if they find out he has uncovered this stuff..
So, whatever happened in 1979 the players are still involved and obviously, they are still looking for ?????? today.


Actually that isn't obvious, that's speculation. He could be trying to protect the information/secret/whatever you want to call it. He might not care in the least for Josh (I do think Josh is definitely in that convo on the print out). The other half of the convo may not have worked with his father, he may be investigating it as a third party or maybe he's with the government and trying to keep things quiet. We just can't tell. Heck, maybe its Capt Coop! (Although I think my fav theory is that it is one of the three survivors from the fire fight trying to shut Josh up since someone doesn't want this stuff to get out. And Josh's dad was one of the guys there who got killed.) At this point just about anything is possible.

What I'm trying to figure out is what time Josh is living in/what his age is. His writing makes him sound young, and his email implies he was born in the 60s, so in theory he's in the early 1980s. That makes it seem that STIES is his and not the other half's computer (Other guy probably wouldn't leave the print out on his computer, he seems too careful). We'd have an easier time of placing where in West Virginia he is if we could figure out what year he is living in because then we could cross reference Italian resturants in operation at that time (and possibly figure out which did delivery). My dad thinks he probably lived/lives near a college/university as there are more delivery type places around universities, that also goes better with his "change of hours" at work, things tend to have longer hours of operation around a university. I'm thinking he's a work study student at a university, which would explain easily changed hours, access to a "work computer" which he posts his blog from and computer training in a time when computers are rare. Now to figure out what universities were open in the early 80s in West Virginia. Mad

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velocity wrote:
Melodyman wrote:
The fact that this mystery person who is talking to Josh has told him to be careful. keep quiet and take down the CL ads point to there being two sides at least of this story.. Obviously, the mystery person was involved with Josh's fathers work on this mystery and knows that Josh is in danger if they find out he has found this stuff of his dads..and those who are looking for any appearances of this secret stuff..
It would seem that he is concerned for Josh's safety if they find out he has uncovered this stuff..
So, whatever happened in 1979 the players are still involved and obviously, they are still looking for ?????? today.


Actually that isn't obvious, that's speculation. He could be trying to protect the information/secret/whatever you want to call it. He might not care in the least for Josh (I do think Josh is definitely in that convo on the print out). The other half of the convo may not have worked with his father, he may be investigating it as a third party or maybe he's with the government and trying to keep things quiet. We just can't tell. Heck, maybe its Capt Coop! (Although I think my fav theory is that it is one of the three survivors from the fire fight trying to shut Josh up since someone doesn't want this stuff to get out. And Josh's dad was one of the guys there who got killed.) At this point just about anything is possible.

What I'm trying to figure out is what time Josh is living in/what his age is. His writing makes him sound young, and his email implies he was born in the 60s, so in theory he's in the early 1980s. That makes it seem that STIES is his and not the other half's computer (Other guy probably wouldn't leave the print out on his computer, he seems too careful). We'd have an easier time of placing where in West Virginia he is if we could figure out what year he is living in because then we could cross reference Italian resturants in operation at that time (and possibly figure out which did delivery). My dad thinks he probably lived/lives near a college/university as there are more delivery type places around universities, that also goes better with his "change of hours" at work, things tend to have longer hours of operation around a university. I'm thinking he's a work study student at a university, which would explain easily changed hours, access to a "work computer" which he posts his blog from and computer training in a time when computers are rare. Now to figure out what universities were open in the early 80s in West Virginia. Mad


I think based on the CL listings and his blog site, primitive as it is, dates Josh to real time. Craigslist was not around in the 80's. And I dont think blogging was considered popular until a the early 2000's. Plus, his mom's funeral was this year. Even the dates on HLM say 2010.

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Xeno Lambrose
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This is my first ARG and I'm trying to learn as we go, but to me (and please give me the fish slap, or inform me where I'm wrong, but the conversations (we've been made privy to) between Josh and Mysterio #1 had their beginning with Josh posting on May 6 to the Top Ten Real Conspiracies website, under the name "hooklineandminker": "Hey - new to this site. Does anyone know the best way to authenticate something? Like old papers, photos, footage, etc? Are there experts for conspiracy related verifications? Would appreciate the help!"

And that is one of the most puzzling things for me, for from the clues we've been given, it seems as though Mysterio #1 reads the abovementioned post on ATS and does what? Does he reply to Josh in that forum, hinting that he can help and will post details privately? I've looked at subsequent posts on that site and have seen nothing to indicate that Mysterio #1 repiled to Josh (and I don't see a means, such as is on Unfiction, to post a private message).

So how does Mysterio #1 get in touch with Josh initially so that they can agree to communicate via the PDP-11 simulator, or did they both decide to make use of it by some Harry Potter magical means?

And yet Mysterio #1 accesses the PDP-11 simulator on the 5th or 6th and states:
"Stop Posting Publicly. I can answer your questions.
I have proof"

The "Stop Posting Publicly" comment would seem to be directed at the ATS post Josh made and NOT the craigslist adverts, or else he would have told him at that time to "take down those sale listings."

Along with Velocity, I've considered that Mysterio #1 could be working for the gov't, as well. (Where else have we yet seen the antagonist?) Only the gov't would have placed certain phrases (such is found on the ATS post) on a Watch list to be flagged for further consideration, and from what clues we have been given, who else would have the ability to track down Josh and set up a meet using the simulator?

But as far as the time frame that Josh/ Mysterio #1/craigslist ads are in, I say real now time.

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Xeno, I think you may be right that Mr Mysterious is referencing the ATS site but the most current print out does reference the sale listings. I think he just wants Josh to let alone everything. Maybe even his fish blog because he may inadvertantly mention something he shouldn't.

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