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marooned
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Bottles

Purplebeard wrote:

Apparently Mulligan denies leaving hints/clues anywhere.

BUT! Here's my issue...

It's specifically FROM MULLIGAN! and NOT THE CAPTAIN!

For good measure, here be words directly from the Captain himself.

@childofatom Soddin hell! I lost me gold but I sure as shark spit didna leave no bottles lyin' around! Bugger. Guess we gots ta updates FAQ.

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:42 pm

jacquard faiddeft
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Mind-bottling.

In the immortal words of the infamous sky-captain Ted Striker....

"what a pisser."

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:56 pm

b8sbal3
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Posts: 23

Other Muppets of note:

Just to talk about ANYTHING other than messages in bottles:

To continue along the Teddy Roosevelt theme that may or may not be reoccurring throughout the videos, it will be interesting to see if they include a "Kermit" reference disguised as a Muppet reference.

Kermit was Teddy's son, grandson, and great-grandson.

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:57 pm

Purplebeard
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THAT WAS ME!!!

The "jacquard faiddeft" quote???

Mind-bottling.
In the immortal words of the infamous sky-captain Ted Striker....

"what a pisser."

That was me. I accidentally put the CONFIRMATION CODE in the USERNAME slot.

This treasure hunt has me losin' me hornswagglin' minds, it does.

-PB

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:03 pm

jrc
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Re: Other Muppets of note:

b8sbal3 wrote:

I suppose you mean Teddy's son, grandson, and great-grandson were all Kermits? I mean, I knew the Roosevelts were somewhat interbred (Franklin and Eleanor), but not to that degree!

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:04 pm

jrc
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Re: THAT WAS ME!!!

Purplebeard wrote:

Hehe, another reason to sign up Purplebeard, no more confirmation codes, auto login...

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:05 pm

jrc
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Re: Other Muppets of note:

jrc wrote:

b8sbal3 wrote:

I suppose you mean Teddy's son, grandson, and great-grandson were all Kermits? I mean, I knew the Roosevelts were somewhat interbred (Franklin and Eleanor), but not to that degree!

Oh, even his great-great grandson is a Kermit too!

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:09 pm

fellowtraveler
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As promised, below is my initial "solution" to the trail left by the clues in the third episode. It obviously isn't perfect, but it applies consistent rules to the clues we have and reaches a defined outcome.

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1. Red, Red, and Orange are the colors of the first box layout of the feeds shown. These refer to the colors of train lines, and I don't know if the order of the colors important. It may be that just the fact that they are all "present" at one location is all that is needed.

There are only five stations which feature a combination of Red, Red and Orange train lines:

1. Columbus Circle

2. 14th Street / 6th Avenue

3. Fulton Street / Broadway-Nassau (now that the M train has been made Orange)

4. Court Street in Brooklyn (now that the M train has been made Orange)

5. Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn

Of these five stations, the C (which is the next clue) is only available at Columbus Circle, and Fulton Street / Broadway-Nassau, the latter of which technically requires you to walk underground a fair way to make the connection.

Alternatively, if the order of the colors is what is important then starting from the A or C line, the only station you can reach where you pass Red, Red, and Orange in that order is West 4 Street / 6 Avenue. This works with the next clue because you can get on the C train there.

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2. The Captain's caption title is "Commander. HMS Maddie Hayes." This is a reference to the C train, and maybe the M and S trains. Not sure what the H might stand for yet (perhaps the Rockaway Park Shuttle?). I believe that the order is important.

I think that the clue here is referring to the C, H, M, and H trains in that order. However, this is the part of my solution where I keep running into problems so I am open to different suggestions.

As I stated earlier, I believe that the H train is a reference to the Rockaway Park Shuttle. If you wanted to reach the H train from the C train, you would have to switch from the C train to the A train at Euclid Ave, and then proceed on the A train to Broad Channel, where you can switch to the H train.

The problem here is that the H train is a limited shuttle train and basically does not connect to any other train lines except the A. So if you wanted to reach the M train from the H train you would have to get back on the A train at Broad Channel, then ride the A train to Broadway-Nassau Street / Fulton Street, walk underground and switch to the M train. Going from the M train to the H train would require you to reverse that same trip. All this backtracking doesn't really make any sense to me, so I suspect that there is something wrong with my interpretation of this clue.

In any event, assuming my interpretation is correct after all, then we end this clue back at the Broad Channel station.

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3. Crothers' caption title is "Crewmember - Brigand - Roughian." This is a reference to the C, B, and R trains, and I believe that the order is important.

If you wanted to get from Broad Channel to the C train, your first opportunity would be to ride the A train to Euclid Ave and switch there. Then to get to the B train you would switch at West 4 Street / 6 Avenue. Switching to the R train from the B train would first occur at either 34 St-Herald Square if you headed uptown, or at DeKalb Avenue if you headed to Brooklyn.

Alternatively, the only station where C, B and R trains can be found together is 42nd Street / Port Authority.

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4. Mulligan's caption title is "First Mate - Loves Crows Nest." This is a reference to the F, M, L, C, and N trains, and I believe that the order is important.

There is no single station where the F, M, L, C, and N trains can be found, so I think they have to be taken in order in some fashion. The problem with doing this (as you will see below) is that it leads to an inevitable result which renders some of the earlier stops irrelevant.

Anyway, starting out from the R train at 34 St-Herald Square or at DeKalb Avenue, you can connect to the F and the M via a number of means. Alternatively, starting out from 42nd Street / Port Authority you can next catch the F train at West 4 Street / 6 Avenue, where you can also switch to the M. I really have no idea which N to F to M connection is intended. But as you will soon see, it is largely irrelevant.

This is because the only place the M train meets the L train is at Myrtle-Wyckoff Avenues / Myrtle Avenue in Brooklyn. From the L train you can switch to the C train at Broadway Junction (Fulton Street) in Brooklyn or 14th Street / 8th Ave in Manhattan. Regardless of which station you choose however, when riding the C train you can only connect to the N train at 42 Street / Port Authority - hence the inevitability of the result.

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5. The number one is spoken and written down on the infographic. This could be a reference to take the 1 train at some point. I am doubtful that this is even a clue.

6. The number two is spoken and written down on the infographic. This could be a reference to take the 2 train at some point. I am doubtful that this is even a clue.

The 1, 2 and 3 trains stop so close to each other and so frequently that I don't think the numbers in the infographic can be a legitimate clue.

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7. The Captain states that "Ya best mind the gap in yer face!" as number 3 on the list. This is almost certainly a reference to the gap that is sometimes present between the subway car and the station platform in New York City's subway system at certain stations. In such stations, platform gap fillers are employed to bridge the gap. I believe that the clue is telling us to go to one of these stations and take the relevant train line - likely the 4/5 line at Union Square or the Shuttle at Times Square. It is possible, but less likely in my opinion, that the number 3 itself is also a reference to the 3 train.

Starting from the N train at 42nd Street / Port Authority, the only station with an active platform gap filler system that can be reached directly is 14th Street / Union Square, where there are gap fillers on the downtown 4, 5, and 6 tracks.

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8. Mulligan says that "[t]here are four of us in our crew and I ain't never seen more than four docks in one port" and this is represented on the infographic as "There are 4 in the crew. He's seen 4 docks." I believe that the words docks and port are oblique references to train lines or tracks, and stations respectively.

I assume that the clue is telling us to take the 4 train at 14th Street / Union Square, which would mean we are heading downtown.

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9. The Captain responds by saying that "[t]here be five docks in the Port of Cortland" which is represented on the infographic as "There are 5 docks at the Port of Cortland." I think the same holds true here. I suspect there may be some P/C letter substitution as well. I do not believe that there is meant to be a direct reference to the subway stations at Cortlandt Street or Van Cortlandt Park / Woodlawn, but I admit that I do not know this for sure yet.

I think that this is generally a reference to a station that has five separate train lines (or more) but which cannot all be seen at the same time. I think that we are likely being told to switch to the 5 train here, so it has to have a 4 and a 5 train, and also be downtown relative to 14th Street / Union Square. Using these parameters we can narrow it down to the following stations:

1. Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall

2. Fulton Street

3. Borough Hall / Court Street

4. Atlantic Avenue

5. Franklin Avenue

I had previously mentioned two of these stations (Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall and Franklin Avenue) as being strong contenders because of their unique layouts. However, perhaps Cortland is a clever reference to Court Street? Next to the "Commander. HMS Maddie Hayes" clue this is the one where my solution is weakest I think.

In any event, going with Borough Hall / Court Street, the clue is telling us to switch to the 5 train there.

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10. Mulligan clarifies his earlier statement by saying that "you can't see all them docks at the same time" and the infographic is later updated crossing out the fifth statement. I do not believe that this is a new clue in of itself. Instead I think that it is a refinement of the last clue. You are looking for a station which has five train lines or tracks, but where only four of which can be observed in one place or at one time. There are only a few stations which meet these criteria, and from the context provided by the other clues we should be able to narrow it down to one candidate.

As with the above, this is still just a reference to Borough Hall / Court Street station.

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11. Black Tom's caption title is "Corsair Supremo." This is a reference to the C and S trains, and I believe that the order is important.

From the 5 train, the only place to connect to the C train is at Broadway-Nassau Street / Fulton Street. From the C train you can connect to the S train at either 42nd Street / Port Authority or at Franklin Ave in Brooklyn (they are actually entirely different S trains).

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12. Red, Red, Orange, and Blue are the colors of the second box layout of the feeds shown. These refer to the colors of train lines, and I don't know if the order is important.

The only stations with Red, Red, Orange and Blue in one place are Columbus Circle and Broadway-Nassau Street / Fulton Street (due to the M train). Neither of these stations connect to the S train, however.

Thus, as with the other color clues, perhaps the order of the colors is important instead of the fact of them being in a single location at once. Starting from the S train at 42nd Street / Port Authority, you would never pass Red, Red, Orange and Blue. But from Franklin Ave you would, since if you ride to Botanic Garden you past two Red trains, if you continue to Prospect Park to pass an Orange Train, and then as you ride back to Franklin Ave you end up with two Blue trains, the A and C.

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13. The Captain refers to Crothers' blue hat (and also mentions black and white). Could be a reference to the Blue train line, but might also not be a clue at all.

I assume this means you take either the A or C at Franklin Ave, which one I can't say yet. But as you will see below it doesn't seem to matter.

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14. Blue, Red, Red, Orange, and Orange are the colors of the third and final box layout of the feeds shown. These refer to the colors of train lines, and I don't know if the order of the colors is important. If all that was required was that all these colors be present in one location, then that location would have to be Columbus Circle, which is right where we started.

Blue, Red, Red, Orange, and Orange are only present together at Columbus Circle. Fulton Street / Broadway-Nassau doesn't qualify because only a single Orange line stops there (the M train). The problem with this solution however, is that we end up right back where we started, and also it conflicts with the prior interpretation of the colors, which is that the order matters rather than the presence of all the colors at a single station.

So let's take the colors in order instead and start from either the A or C at Franklin Ave. Regardless of which line you start from, the only place where you can end up at if you pass a Blue, Red, Red, Orange, and Orange line in that order is West 4 Street / 6 Avenue. Assuming you are meant to take the second Orange line you reach, then you should get on the D train.

Summary:
1. Take A or C train from Columbus Circle to West 4 Street / 6 Avenue.
2. Switch to C train.
3. Take C train to Euclid Ave.
4. Switch to A train.
5. Take A train to Broad Channel.
6. Switch to H train.
7. Take H train back to Broad Channel.
8. Switch to A train.
9. Take A train to Broadway-Nassau Street / Fulton Street.
10. Switch to M train.
11. Take M train back to Broadway-Nassau Street / Fulton Street.
12. Switch to A train.
13. Take A train to Broad Channel.
14. Switch to H train.
15. Take H train back to Broad Channel.
16. Switch to A train.
17. Take A train to Euclid Ave.
18. Switch to C train.
19. Take C train to West 4 Street / 6 Avenue.
20. Switch to B train.
21. Take B train to either 34 St-Herald Square or DeKalb Avenue.
22. Switch to R train.
23. Take R train to ???.
24. Switch to F train.
25. Take F train to ???.
26. Switch to M train.
27. Take M train to Myrtle-Wyckoff Avenues / Myrtle Avenue.
28. Switch to L train.
29. Take L train to Broadway Junction (Fulton Street) or 14th Street / 8th Ave.
30. Switch to C train.
31. Take C train to 42 Street / Port Authority.
32. Switch to N train.
33. Take the N train to 14th Street / Union Square.
34. Switch to 4 train.
35. Take 4 train to Borough Hall / Court Street.
36. Switch to 5 train.
37. Take 5 train to Broadway-Nassau Street / Fulton Street
38. Switch to C train.
39. Take C train to Franklin Ave.
40. Switch to S train.
41. Take S train to Franklin Ave.
42. Switch to A or C train.
43. Take A or C train to West 4 Street / 6 Avenue.
44. Switch to D train?

Obviously, this is very tenuous, since a change in the colors or even just the basic assumptions used will likely change most of the destinations reached (although perhaps not all of them).

I mean look at my first assumption - that you start by taking the A or C at Columbus Circle. That gets you to West 4 Street / 6 Avenue, but had you taken the B or D instead it would have lead to Atlantic Avenue, and had you taken the 1 instead it would have lead to 14th Street / 7 Avenue. Ultimately, none of this may matter because of the inevitable outcomes of certain chains like the C to N connection and anything to do with the H line. But still, if the intermediate stops are important at all then we will need to do a lot more work testing out other permutations.

I could also just be drastically overthinking this and making it a lot more complicated than it really is. So far the videos have been fairly straightforward in their presentation of the clues I think.

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:12 pm

UDbmas
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:17 pm
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monkeypanky
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Joined: 04 Aug 2010
Posts: 15

mind the gap

"Mind The Gap" is an MTA advertisement campaign that warns subway riders to watch out for the space between the platform and the train. There are posters on nearly every train in the city with this phrase on it.

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:19 pm

Spoonsy
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Joined: 05 Aug 2010
Posts: 47

fellowtraveler: it looks great, but my one concern is i dont know when the mta announced the changes. i know they went into effect on june 28, but did the puppetmasters take that into account?

id like to think they did, but itd be devious of them if they were using the old map

for reference, here's the old map: http://www.blackstonesbarnyc.com/bs_images/nyc-Subway-map.jpg

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:21 pm

WeeWillyT
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Joined: 10 Aug 2010
Posts: 37

fellowtraveler wrote:

Summary:
1. Take A or C train from Columbus Circle to West 4 Street / 6 Avenue.
2. Switch to C train.
3. Take C train to Euclid Ave.
4. Switch to A train.
5. Take A train to Broad Channel.
6. Switch to H train.
7. Take H train back to Broad Channel.
8. Switch to A train.
9. Take A train to Broadway-Nassau Street / Fulton Street.
10. Switch to M train.
11. Take M train back to Broadway-Nassau Street / Fulton Street.
12. Switch to A train.
13. Take A train to Broad Channel.
14. Switch to H train.
15. Take H train back to Broad Channel.
16. Switch to A train.
17. Take A train to Euclid Ave.
18. Switch to C train.
19. Take C train to West 4 Street / 6 Avenue.
20. Switch to B train.
21. Take B train to either 34 St-Herald Square or DeKalb Avenue.
22. Switch to R train.
23. Take R train to ???.
24. Switch to F train.
25. Take F train to ???.
26. Switch to M train.
27. Take M train to Myrtle-Wyckoff Avenues / Myrtle Avenue.
28. Switch to L train.
29. Take L train to Broadway Junction (Fulton Street) or 14th Street / 8th Ave.
30. Switch to C train.
31. Take C train to 42 Street / Port Authority.
32. Switch to N train.
33. Take the N train to 14th Street / Union Square.
34. Switch to 4 train.
35. Take 4 train to Borough Hall / Court Street.
36. Switch to 5 train.
37. Take 5 train to Broadway-Nassau Street / Fulton Street
38. Switch to C train.
39. Take C train to Franklin Ave.
40. Switch to S train.
41. Take S train to Franklin Ave.
42. Switch to A or C train.
43. Take A or C train to West 4 Street / 6 Avenue.
44. Switch to D train?

Interesting.

Many thanks for your efforts, but this one is a doozie.....

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:25 pm

SuperStella
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Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Posts: 24

Messages in Bottles

Looks like the puppets have updated the FAQs.

#
Did you leave tangible, physical clues around the city? What am I looking for?

You're looking for the treasure chest. That's it. All the clues you need are found on the welostourgold website. Nowhere else. We did not leave any physical clues for you to find.

You might stumble across parchment from Mulligan advertising the site, or chest itself. Those are the only things we've physically hidden.

This makes me feel better about riding the subway all the live long day Smile

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:00 pm

b8sbal3
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Joined: 11 Aug 2010
Posts: 23

Re: Messages in Bottles

SuperStella wrote:

It is interesting the way that they worded "all the clues youneed are found of the welostourgold website". It does not say "all the clues you need are found in the videos".

There may be more on the site that we ultimately need to look at.

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:24 pm

SuperStella
Boot

Joined: 16 Aug 2010
Posts: 24

Re: Messages in Bottles

b8sbal3 wrote:

SuperStella wrote:

I often thought the same. I've rewatched some of the trailers to see if there's anything we've missed yet.

And also, regarding this episode, I don't see how the background for Mulligan and the Bird is red.. it looks orange on the three computers I've used today to view the video.

Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:28 pm

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