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jrc
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 		Double Down
Double Down was the alternate title of Zigs, a 2001 film about four young compulsive gamblers wasting their lives on booze, broads and bookies.

Wikipedia also lists: a character in Swingers (something to do with a song by Mel Torme). This seems unlikely, the character is not central apparently; a DC comics villain; and a sandwich (!) sold at KFC.

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 		All the bets are a little crazy...
the pot starts at $400 and then Tom raises $150 which brings the pot to $550....Crothers calls but only puts in $50 bringing the pot to $600, Mulligan calls $150 and the pot is now at $750, the Captain calls $250 and brings the pot to $1000.
Crothers shorted his call and Captain put in too much but the amount too much is what Crothers shorted it for...$100.
At this point the players are holding....
Mulligan $4660
Tom $1834
Captain $1619
Crothers $1287
Tom then goes all in and puts $1734 in, (edit: but it should be $1834)....so he has $100 left.
The pot is at $2734
Crothers then goes all in and adds $1086 to the pot but is left with $201 but he shouldn't be because Tom's all in was more money than that so Crothers should have added all of his money and kept none.
The pot is at $3821
Mulligan calls and matches Tom's all in of $1734, which is the correct call.
Mulligan is left with $2926
The pot is $5555
. Captain calls the all in and puts his $1619 in the pot and is left with nothing.
The pot is at $7174
Mulligan has $2926
Tom has $100
Captain has $0
Crothers has $201


Tom wins and is now holding $7174 + $100= $7274

All the money at the end added up equals $10,401, $10,000 that they started with, $400 in the pot, plus an extra $1 that came from I don't know where.
Someone please double check this.

Maybe the first round is off because of the blinds? I assume all the blinds are already in since the pot is $400 but maybe that is only part of the blinds? But that doesn't explain why when Crothers and Tom go all-in they don't put in what they should have.

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 		Re: Running themes
b8sbal3 wrote:
I think that it is also important to keep in mind the various "running themes" that have carried over from episode to episode as well as these will no doubt tell us details about the soecific location once the videos establish the general location. So far, I have identified these:

1) "Tutty"
2) Crows nest
3) Roosevelt (and Presidents in general)
4) the numbers 1,2,3,4 (in various combinations and orders)
5) "Shooting people IN THE FACE (always goes out of their way to say in the face....)

Am I missing any? Are any of these too weak to include?


Maddie Hayes? I know it's not shown in all the episodes but it's their ship so I think it's important. I don't know if I would call Roosevelt a theme here, or any presidents. Are they really shown or talked about besides once or is that just what some people have interpreted some things to be?
Crothers being unlucky is an ongoing theme, as well as Tom being a hero/miracle or whatever they call him.
I'm pretty sure I know what/where/who Tutty will end up being. Smile
I said it before but I think that the Captain will finally let Mulligan go in the Crows Nest and that is where they will remember they hid the gold. Doh! Silly pirates.

BTW there is a huge ongoing theme that is hinted at in all of the videos that points to the end location....just my opinion though....won't know if it's right unless somebody finds the chest...."and that somebody should be me!" Wink

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 		Just an FYI...
I think that some of you do not understand the rules and how "ALL IN" works in Texas Hold Em.

When a player with the chip lead goes "ALL IN", they are not really betting "ALL of HIS chips", they are actually forcing the rest of the table to bet ALL of THEIR chips. The player with the lead is only betting the maximum amount that the player who calls has left.

EX using fake names: $10,000 Game
Talent = $5000
Mike= $2500
John= $1500
Dave= $1000

Talent calls "ALL IN". If Mike calls, that means Talent is actually betting $2500. If John is the one that calls, Talent is actually betting $1500. etc...
If Talent LOSES an ALL IN, he is not out of chips... he only loses what the winner bet. so if Mike calls Talents bet, and wins the ALL IN... Mike wins $2500, and Talent loses $2500. the game continues for both players. If Talent wins, then Mike is out, and Talent won his $2500.

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mlssry
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BornTalent wrote:
Just an FYI...
I think that some of you do not understand the rules and how "ALL IN" works in Texas Hold Em.

When a player with the chip lead goes "ALL IN", they are not really betting "ALL of HIS chips", they are actually forcing the rest of the table to bet ALL of THEIR chips. The player with the lead is only betting the maximum amount that the player who calls has left.

EX using fake names: $10,000 Game
Talent = $5000
Mike= $2500
John= $1500
Dave= $1000

Talent calls "ALL IN". If Mike calls, that means Talent is actually betting $2500. If John is the one that calls, Talent is actually betting $1500. etc...
If Talent LOSES an ALL IN, he is not out of chips... he only loses what the winner bet. so if Mike calls Talents bet, and wins the ALL IN... Mike wins $2500, and Talent loses $2500. the game continues for both players. If Talent wins, then Mike is out, and Talent won his $2500.

Thanks for clarifying that. Should Crothers have still added all of his money to the pot when he called Toms all-in since Crothers had less money than Toms all-in?? Or shouldn't Toms all-in have been $1619....just enough to cover what Captain was holding?

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 		Re: opening pot
UDbmas wrote:
Thanks BornTalent. That clears it up a little. And is it correct that the opening pot would be the ante, so each pirate anteed in a $100?

That's what I think. So it's makes no sense if their blinds are already in that Crothers would only add $50 and the Captain would add $250 when calling Toms $150 raise.

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BornTalent
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 		mlssry: I have to watch the video...I haven't had time to completely watch it in silence. lol Hopefully tonight i will.
But based on your numbers:
Mulligan $4660
Tom $1834
Captain $1619
Crothers $1287

If TOM goes all in ($1834)... that means in order to stay in the hand and CALL... Captain would be calling $1619, Crothers would be calling $1287, and Mulligan would be calling $1834.

If TOM wins... he takes those amounts listed above, and it looks like:
TOM: $6574
Mulligan: $2826
Captain: $0
Crothers: $0

this also means each player should have given $150 to the pot before the ALL INS (blinds and raises). this all equals $10,000

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 		Re: opening pot
UDbmas wrote:
mlssry wrote:
UDbmas wrote:
Thanks BornTalent. That clears it up a little. And is it correct that the opening pot would be the ante, so each pirate anteed in a $100?

That's what I think. So it's makes no sense if their blinds are already in that Crothers would only add $50 and the Captain would add $250 when calling Toms $150 raise.

And if you subtract the opening $100 from each, the total is at 10,000. I thinm there must have been something we missed that had the Captain getting $100 from Crothers. I'll have to watch again at home.

My math stinks but if you subtract the $400 from the $10,401 you end up with $10,001....where did the extra dollar come from?
So before putting in the antes they had ....
Mulligan $4910
Tom $2084
Captain $1969
Crothers $1437

=$10,400

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 		the skeleton on the table
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It made me think of the floor safe in Maddie Hayes' living room as previously described (in regard to "Somewhere Under The Rainbow" and the hunt for gold coins).

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BornTalent wrote:
mlssry: I have to watch the video...I haven't had time to completely watch it in silence. lol Hopefully tonight i will.
But based on your numbers:
Mulligan $4660
Tom $1834
Captain $1619
Crothers $1287

If TOM goes all in ($1834)... that means in order to stay in the hand and CALL... Captain would be calling $1619, Crothers would be calling $1287, and Mulligan would be calling $1834.

If TOM wins... he takes those amounts listed above, and it looks like:
TOM: $6574
Mulligan: $2826
Captain: $0
Crothers: $0

this also means each player should have given $150 to the pot before the ALL INS (blinds and raises). this all equals $10,000

Right, but Crothers only called $1086 not $1287 like he should have.
That's why this seems screwy to me. lol Bare with me here I don't know too much about poker.....but if Tom was going all-in against Mulligan who is holding more chips than him then shouldn't Tom have put all of his chips ($1834) all-in?

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 		Re: the skeleton on the table
dial
Spaniard wrote:
It made me think of the floor safe in Maddie Hayes' living room as previously described (in regard to "Somewhere Under The Rainbow" and the hunt for gold coins).


I thought it seemed like a combination lock on a safe or locker.

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mlssry wrote:
BornTalent wrote:
mlssry: I have to watch the video...I haven't had time to completely watch it in silence. lol Hopefully tonight i will.
But based on your numbers:
Mulligan $4660
Tom $1834
Captain $1619
Crothers $1287

If TOM goes all in ($1834)... that means in order to stay in the hand and CALL... Captain would be calling $1619, Crothers would be calling $1287, and Mulligan would be calling $1834.

If TOM wins... he takes those amounts listed above, and it looks like:
TOM: $6574
Mulligan: $2826
Captain: $0
Crothers: $0

this also means each player should have given $150 to the pot before the ALL INS (blinds and raises). this all equals $10,000

Right, but Crothers only called $1086 not $1287 like he should have.
That's why this seems screwy to me. lol Bare with me here I don't know too much about poker.....but if Tom was going all-in against Mulligan who is holding more chips than him then shouldn't Tom have put all of his chips ($1834) all-in?


^^ Yes, if TOM is ALL IN, he must bet all of his chips. Everyone should have ALL of their money in except for the chip leader (or anyone who has more money than the person who called ALL IN).
I also see that Crothers did an illegal action. If you "CALL" a bet, you must match that bet, with the option to raise it. you cannot put less in. lol

i'll try tonight to watch and follow the whole betting and come up with the correct amounts.

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BornTalent wrote:
mlssry wrote:
BornTalent wrote:
mlssry: I have to watch the video...I haven't had time to completely watch it in silence. lol Hopefully tonight i will.
But based on your numbers:
Mulligan $4660
Tom $1834
Captain $1619
Crothers $1287

If TOM goes all in ($1834)... that means in order to stay in the hand and CALL... Captain would be calling $1619, Crothers would be calling $1287, and Mulligan would be calling $1834.

If TOM wins... he takes those amounts listed above, and it looks like:
TOM: $6574
Mulligan: $2826
Captain: $0
Crothers: $0

this also means each player should have given $150 to the pot before the ALL INS (blinds and raises). this all equals $10,000

Right, but Crothers only called $1086 not $1287 like he should have.
That's why this seems screwy to me. lol Bare with me here I don't know too much about poker.....but if Tom was going all-in against Mulligan who is holding more chips than him then shouldn't Tom have put all of his chips ($1834) all-in?


^^ Yes, if TOM is ALL IN, he must bet all of his chips. Everyone should have ALL of their money in except for the chip leader (or anyone who has more money than the person who called ALL IN).
I also see that Crothers did an illegal action. If you "CALL" a bet, you must match that bet, with the option to raise it. you cannot put less in. lol

i'll try tonight to watch and follow the whole betting and come up with the correct amounts.

That's what I thought Smile
Please let me know after you watch it....I won't sleep tonight until I get to the bottom of it! lol

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