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mlssry
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 		My biggest question about the latest video is when is it taking place? Between them they have $10,000....so does that mean this is happening before they hid it? And if it's after they hid it where did they get another $10,000 and why are they in Vegas instead of in NY looking for the lost $10,000? I'm guessing by Crothers physical condition that it is taking place after they hid the gold.....so where did they get more money and why the vacation to LV when they have more important matters to deal with in NY??? And I thought they said they didn't drink or gamble?
Is the poker game at the palms hotel?

hmm maybe they found the gold and went to vegas to celebrate Smile

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 		Crothers and the analogy to the fellow on The Surprise
MASTER AND COMMANDER
Missry points to the possibility "Crothers being unlucky is an ongoing theme."

Note that in MASTER AND COMMANDER which I've suggested is an important thing clued -- given the numerous parallels (e.g., Hasty Pudding, amputation of arm, setting course, merchant flag etc.) has a fellow deemed to have brought great unluck to the crew. They ostracize him. He takes a cannonball and jumps overboard, committing suicide. There was some word they used -- that Russell Crowe used to refer to a person being "hexed" but I don't recall hearing it clearly.

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mlssry
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 		Does NY have any casinos? They gamble at the racetrack....do they have other things there besides horse racing? Anything having to do with gambling, poker, cards, vegas any where?

Anyone have any luck translating Tom? I haven't Sad

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BornTalent
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mlssry wrote:
Does NY have any casinos? They gamble at the racetrack....do they have other things there besides horse racing? Anything having to do with gambling, poker, cards, vegas any where?

Anyone have any luck translating Tom? I haven't Sad


Yonkers, NY (just outside of NYC) is actually both a Race Track AND a Casino. (the only one of it's kind I believe). From what I saw a while back, it was only Slot Machines, but no table games. The other Casinos (bit no racetrack) in the "area" are Atlantic City, NJ (3.5 hours from NYC), Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods in Connecticut (about 2hours from NYC).

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 		I assumed that they were still looking for their gold but had taken a break to enter the WPPPT in Las Vegas to try to win a different $10,000 (as well as the trophy). I think that we are intended to use the condition of Crothers to assist us in placing the episodes in the proper timeline.

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 		Ok...here is how the money works out. I watched it real quick at work.

Before final hand:

Mulligan= $4810
Tom = $1984
Captain = $1869
Crothers = $1337

The blinds were $100 each, and really, all of the blinds, and raising means nothing, because when everyone goes "All In", all that raising becomes a moot point, because that money is still included in the original amount.
Note: They do make a mistake in updating the POT amount, but they correct it in the end by having the correct amount in pot.
they also made a mistake and put the wrong amount on the screen for "Pot" when Tom goes ALL IN.

Basically, when TOM goes "ALL IN", this is what they are bettting:
Tom: $1984
Mulligan: $1984
Captain: $1869
Crothers: $1337

After Tom wins... this is their new amount:
Tom= $7174
Mulligan= $2826
Captain= $0
Crothers= $0

It all adds up to $10,000.


In the end... I would be highly surprised if any of the money amounts were a clue. Seems like the compass and FINAL cards on the table would be a clue... but who knows.

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 		Order of episodes
fellowtraveler wrote:
I assumed that they were still looking for their gold but had taken a break to enter the WPPPT in Las Vegas to try to win a different $10,000 (as well as the trophy). I think that we are intended to use the condition of Crothers to assist us in placing the episodes in the proper timeline.

That seems right, but why was episode 4 put out as 4, if we are just supposed to take Crothers' condition to tell us to treat its clues as coming after episode 5? Why not just put them out in order? It is confusing, but not confusing enough to be intended to be confusing, if you see what I mean.

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 		blinds
Good work with the math, I'd been playing with it to check it and I have a question about it that doesn't seem to pan out. But I admittedly don't know how Texas hold 'em works when it comes to multiple blinds. Anyone can explain this? (who here played the Last Call Poker ARG a couple years ago? Show of hands?)

Anyway - the pot starts at $400, and given the order it appears Tom = small blind and Crothers = big blind. I was assuming Tom put in $100 and Crothers put in $200 as blinds - yes that's only $300, but here's why I think that. The way I'm seeing it, Tom raises $150 (now in for $100 blind + $150 = $250) and Crothers calls, adding $50 (now in for $200 blind + $50 = $250). Captain calls last, putting in a total $250.

So Mulligan, in position 3, is ... well, weird - he calls by adding $150. That implies that the missing $100 from the pot is his as another blind! But I thought a "live straddle" (reading Wikipedia, so sorry if I'm wrong) would have to be at least as much as the big blind, and/or that if you had 2 small blinds, they would both go before the big blind.

So, am I missing something?

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mlssry
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BornTalent wrote:
Ok...here is how the money works out. I watched it real quick at work.

Before final hand:

Mulligan= $4810
Tom = $1984
Captain = $1869
Crothers = $1337

The blinds were $100 each, and really, all of the blinds, and raising means nothing, because when everyone goes "All In", all that raising becomes a moot point, because that money is still included in the original amount.
Note: They do make a mistake in updating the POT amount, but they correct it in the end by having the correct amount in pot.
they also made a mistake and put the wrong amount on the screen for "Pot" when Tom goes ALL IN.

Basically, when TOM goes "ALL IN", this is what they are bettting:
Tom: $1984
Mulligan: $1984
Captain: $1869
Crothers: $1337

After Tom wins... this is their new amount:
Tom= $7174
Mulligan= $2826
Captain= $0
Crothers= $0

It all adds up to $10,000.


In the end... I would be highly surprised if any of the money amounts were a clue. Seems like the compass and FINAL cards on the table would be a clue... but who knows.

I'd be surprised if the amounts were a clue too but I don't think they would make a mistake with the amounts unless they have no idea how poker betting works, they suck at addition and subtraction, or the mistakes were intentional. Why? I have no idea.

Anyone know what Tom is saying???

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 		Crothers analagy
Is it possible that Crothers in himself is an allusion to the Revolutionary War?

In episode two, he says the line "not the sleeves of me beautiful RED COAT"

Then he is described as the "Bully from Great Britian" in episode five.

I am not much for Revolutionary War history, but wasn't there some strategical "picking apart" of the British by the colonies? that could be symbolized by Crothers' systematic dismantling throughout the episodes....

Just throwing it out there. the British first landed at Staten Island.......

I'm just sayin'

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 		Re: Running themes
Hitting themes
mlssry wrote:
b8sbal3 wrote:
I think that it is also important to keep in mind the various "running themes" that have carried over from episode to episode as well as these will no doubt tell us details about the soecific location once the videos establish the general location. So far, I have identified these:

1) "Tutty"
2) Crows nest
3) Roosevelt (and Presidents in general)
4) the numbers 1,2,3,4 (in various combinations and orders)
5) "Shooting people IN THE FACE (always goes out of their way to say in the face....)

Am I missing any? Are any of these too weak to include?


Maddie Hayes? I know it's not shown in all the episodes but it's their ship so I think it's important. I don't know if I would call Roosevelt a theme here, or any presidents. Are they really shown or talked about besides once or is that just what some people have interpreted some things to be?
Crothers being unlucky is an ongoing theme, as well as Tom being a hero/miracle or whatever they call him.
I'm pretty sure I know what/where/who Tutty will end up being. Smile
I said it before but I think that the Captain will finally let Mulligan go in the Crows Nest and that is where they will remember they hid the gold. Doh! Silly pirates.

BTW there is a huge ongoing theme that is hinted at in all of the videos that points to the end location....just my opinion though....won't know if it's right unless somebody finds the chest...."and that somebody should be me!" Wink

Keep swinging batter, eventually you will hit a home run. Who is on first...?
Whats on second? I don't know... Rolling Eyes

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 		Re: Running themes
Hitting themes
SpyGuySailor wrote:
mlssry wrote:
b8sbal3 wrote:
I think that it is also important to keep in mind the various "running themes" that have carried over from episode to episode as well as these will no doubt tell us details about the soecific location once the videos establish the general location. So far, I have identified these:

1) "Tutty"
2) Crows nest
3) Roosevelt (and Presidents in general)
4) the numbers 1,2,3,4 (in various combinations and orders)
5) "Shooting people IN THE FACE (always goes out of their way to say in the face....)

Am I missing any? Are any of these too weak to include?


Maddie Hayes? I know it's not shown in all the episodes but it's their ship so I think it's important. I don't know if I would call Roosevelt a theme here, or any presidents. Are they really shown or talked about besides once or is that just what some people have interpreted some things to be?
Crothers being unlucky is an ongoing theme, as well as Tom being a hero/miracle or whatever they call him.
I'm pretty sure I know what/where/who Tutty will end up being. Smile
I said it before but I think that the Captain will finally let Mulligan go in the Crows Nest and that is where they will remember they hid the gold. Doh! Silly pirates.

BTW there is a huge ongoing theme that is hinted at in all of the videos that points to the end location....just my opinion though....won't know if it's right unless somebody finds the chest...."and that somebody should be me!" Wink

Keep swinging batter, eventually you will hit a home run. Who is on first...?
Whats on second? I don't know... Rolling Eyes
????

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