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[SOLVED] CMH Rubbing
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Nogwater
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 		[SOLVED] CMH Rubbing
http://www.cambridgementalhospital.com/rubbing.html

PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:13 pm
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grumpyboy
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
the rubbing is in the Glagolitic alphabet but the way it's posted by Charles it's upside down

translated the right side up gives:

steomoe eg nsnne xfn
e xv n^ dvaee od osoes
voeeb aerd as*apt t
efn olt nsb tlo llee ^
ns bfos ^a exadilor

* is where I'm not sure what the letter is.
^ could be j or y

Looks like another level of encryption involved (assuming I did the first step right)


PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:21 pm
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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Fixed some errors (thanks to some help from enaxor), now we've got:

steomoe eg nsnne hfn
e hv ny dvaee od osoei
voeeb aerd aswapt t
efn olt nsb tlo ooll y
ns bfos ya ehadilor


Taking first letter of each line, then 2nd letter of each line and so on
Code:
1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11   12   13   14   15   16   17
s   t   e   o   m   o   e   e   g    n    s    n    n    e    h    f    n
e   h   v   n   y   d   v   a   e    e    o    d    o    s    o    e    i
v   o   e   e   b   a   e   r   d    a         s    w    a    p    t    t
e   f   n   o   l   t   n   s   b    t    l    o    l    l    e    e    y
n   s   b   f   o   s   y   a   e    h    a    d    i    l    o    r   

Gives:
"seventhofsevenboneofmybloodatsevenyearsagedbeneathsolandsodnowliesallhopeofeternity"

(Note: I had to play around with the 3rd line a bit because there may be a missing character in it)

With spaces added for clarity:
"seventh of seven bone of my blood at seven years aged beneath sol and sod now lies all hope of eternity"

Ok I think it's supposed to be:
"seventh of seven bone of my blood at seven years aged beneath soil and sod now lies all hope of eternity"

Strange thing to have on a gravestone... Confused


PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:09 pm
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 		Nice solve gb!!

This from the stories at CMH:

Quote:
STRANGE GRAVE MARKER

Just at the perimeter of Cambridge's property line, lies a small stand of seven trees. Within that copse is a small, flat marker with the single date of 1839 etched on its face. There is also a passage written there, although in a language no one has identified. Some legends say the grave is that of a witch, who used the secret language to communicate with the dead. Others say that it is the final resting place of the head of a large, reclusive family, who came from somewhere in Europe with his six daughters and seven sons. They say in order to keep his family segregated from the populace, he employed a secret language that could have been a bastardized version of Glagolitic.

Whoever lies in the grave, the area has become a local hangout for that teenage sector of society who fancy themselves able to talk to the spirit world. There have been reports that some of these young people have heard voices chanting in a strange dialect from beneath the earth, and a strange inner glow emanating from the marker itself. One girl claims she was groped in an inappropriate manner by a cold, invisible hand, and still others say they have seen ghostly figures in the trees. Of course these stories, coming from the teenaged ghost chasers themselves, don't carry a lot of weight. These kids go to the stand of trees with the sole intent of experiencing the supernatural, and as such, are susceptible to distorting every breeze or owl's cry into something more sinister and mysterious.


So the seventh son died at the age of seven. I asked in chat about the myth of the seventh son of the seventh son, Wishi said that would make him a wizard.

I will edit this with any information I find about the 7th of the 7th.
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grumpyboy wrote:
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Fixed some errors (thanks to some help from enaxor), now we've got:
With spaces added for clarity:
"seventh of seven bone of my blood at seven years aged beneath sol and sod now lies all hope of eternity"

Ok I think it's supposed to be:
"seventh of seven bone of my blood at seven years aged beneath soil and sod now lies all hope of eternity"

Strange thing to have on a gravestone... Confused


[spoiler]
I thought maybe it mean "sun and grass/dirt" i mean, it very well could be "soil", but maybe it could be "sol" too... if i am way off, tell me please
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 3:06 pm
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Pixiestix wrote:

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I thought maybe it mean "sun and grass/dirt" i mean, it very well could be "soil", but maybe it could be "sol" too... if i am way off, tell me please
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It's possible, but inserting an "i" where the gap is in my grid above seems to give a "cleaner" solve. Otherwise I would've inserted a space there for no good reason Wink Doesn't change the meaning of the phrase substantially either way though...

PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 3:23 pm
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 		interesting stuff
OK, I know this is out of game, but it seemed interesting to those of us in chat. Grumpy suggested that I post it for all to see.

I was googling for seventh son stuff and came across this page:

Results

In short, the post I was looking at was from Letty (second item there) which I will repost here.

Quote:
Subject: RE: BS: Seventh son of a seventh son
From: Letty
Date: 16 Aug 01 - 06:35 AM

Well, traditionally 7th sons of 7th sons are supposed to be witches or at least have some magical powers.

Here's a quote I had lying about somewhere (don't know the source):
Belief in the special gifts of a Seventh Son or Daughter
can be found in Folklore throughout the world. Leslie
Shepard in his 'Encyclopedia of Occultism and
parapsychology' states that in Romania the Seventh
Child is fated to become a vampire. And that in
England in the seventheenth century there were
reports of a Seventh Son healing the deaf blind and
lame.
In France, The Seventh Son was called a 'Marcou' and
branded with a 'fleur-de-lis' {reknown worldwide as a
symbol of the Divine & Quality, and all that is Holy,
Click this Link for history}. Good Luck was also said
to attend the Seventh Child. In olden days, when
Captains of Merchant Ships were setting sail on long
voyages, they would try, 'often by force if
neccessary' to have a Seventh Son on ship as Legend
has it that the Ship wouldn't sink with a Seventh Son
on Board
The reason why the Seventh Child as opposed to the first
or the fifth for example-should have 'Special Powers'
has it's roots in ancient beliefs. The number Seven
has many mystical and religious associations. Apart
from the Bible telling of God creating the world in
Seven Days, The number features throughout the old
and new testaments.
Seven is a very significant number in numerology and is
the basic unit of transition in natural cycles from
the week as a phase of the lunar cycle to the idea
that many of life's patterns are divided in phases of
Seven.

Letty


Emphasis has been added by me.[/b]

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 		Fleur de Lis or Trident symbol of secret society
Spending my time at work googling around the fleur de lis (what we think is the picture in the tile at Gold Mine Hotel). I've been finding references to the sixth son having the fleur de lis as the herald (symbol) while the seventh son has a rose.

[SPEC] I wonder if the symbol is not a fleur de lis, but a Trident? Symbol of the Neptune or Poseidon society (yeah, I know, that is the name of the group that does cheap cremations/burials at sea).

A book by Orson Scott Card called "Seventh Son"; the tales of Alvin Maker.

There is also a song by Iron Maiden about the Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (totally OT, I'm sure):

Quote:
Lyrics for: Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son

Here they stand brothers them all
All the sons divided they'd fall
Here await the birth of the son
The seventh, the heavenly, the chosen one.

Here the birth from the unbroken line
Born the healer the seventh, his time
Unknowingly blessed and as his life unfolds
Slowly unveiling the power he holds

Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son

Then they watch the progress he makes
The Good and the evil which path will he take
Both of them trying to manipulate
The use of his powers before it's too late

Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son
Seventh son of a seventh son

Today is born the seventh one
Born of woman the seventh son
And he in turn of a seventh son
He has the power to heal
He has the gift of the sechond sight
He is the chosen one
So it shall be written
So it shall be done


Found another site that also proclaims the Seventh Son is divine and holds magic powers:
Quote:
The Seventh Son's importance stems from the sacrality of the Number 7, one that ultimately roots in the seven islands of atlantis; and the seven eras of humanity. Interesting to note, that in india, the theme is more linked with the third son. A sort of ugly duckling, that grows to be a swan itself. Brahma, the Parama-Hamsa.

This Legend although mentioned in specific detail through many books of the old and new testaments of the King James version of the Bible, predates it, back to the dawn of time in all major philosophies and cultures of the world.

Today is born the Seventh One, born of a woman, the 'Seventh Son' and he in turn of a 'Seventh Son'....He has the power to heal, he has the gift of 'Second Sight' so it shall be written, so it shall be done....

Here the birth from an unbroken line, born the healer, the 'Seventh' his time. Unknowingly blessed as his life unfolds, slowly unveiling the power he holds.

Then they watch the progress he takes, the 'GOOD' and the 'EVIL' which path will he take.....Both of them trying to manipulate, the use of his powers before it's too late.....

The 'Seventh Son' is born the divine and chosen one, to become a Maker of Things' who has a 'special purpose in life' for the 'Lord of Hosts' to expose the EVIL and CORRUPTION of the World, but of who is CURSED by those SAME FORCES who would try to DESTROY him.....for he is the Trinity, the father, son & the holy spirit.....

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 		Let us not forget http://urbanmythology.net/legends/seven.html...

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 		Just to (maybe) clean it up a little more:
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Not sure it's just a PM typo or what have you, but I think it breaks down to: "seventh of seven borne of my blood at seven years aged beneath soil and sod now lies all hope of eternity". Makes it a little sensible and cleaner read.

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 		I agree that "borne" would make more sense but as far as the rubbing goes, I doubled check and there's no "r" where we need it... Dunno

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 		I just found this info while googling and thought it was interesting:

The Marcou

In old France it was believed that if a seventh son was born into a family, and he had no sisters, he was called a Marcou, and a fleur-de-lis was branded on him. If anyone with the King's Evil (scrofula) touched the tattoo, it was supposed that they would be healed.
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 		More Spec
I had my hubby take a look at the tile tonight.
He saw a scorpion. But our googling could not link it to anything as we know it right now.
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 		Traditional heraldry has the fleur-de-lis as the sign of the sixth son and the rose as the sign of the seventh son. And also considering that the Glagolitic script was well-known through Europe as early as 1664 when it appeared in a book published in London, it's not surprising that it would be used for something like this. However, if the family spoke Glagolitic, it would most likely make them Croatian. (Lots of interesting info on Glagolitic script here.)

The legends referring to the Marcou and the information that Konamouse posted both refer to the seventh son having no sisters. The line "birth from an unbroken line" specifically means seventh of seven exclusively male children. To have a female child would be considered breaking the line.

As well, most of the legends about the seventh son also imply that this is a multi-generation blessing/curse; as of now, we have no information about the boy's family aside from the legend posted by Charles. The inscription seems to imply that this child is the last of the line by stating "now lies all hope of eternity" which makes me wonder how many graves are in this copse of seven trees, and what happened to the other six boys.

As such, it seems to me that the fleur-de-lis and the engraving (and, thus, the child within the grave) are not related except by both of them being part of this scenario.

Of course, it also seems that every time I think I have some idea what's going on, I'm wrong, so... Wink
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 		hey just another thing about 7th son of the 7th son....the antichrist was supposed to be the 7th son of the 7th son

Cant remember where I heard that but I heard it some where.

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