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[OT] Is Rinzler....Tron?
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Broklynite
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Clu Program wrote:
Don't Forget one Thing ...

The movie can not be named "Tron Legacy" without "TRON program"

So... Where is Tron ?


Well, Tron was never the main character in the original movie. For that matter, look at Ben Hur, which is really a story about Jesus, not the title character. Or the latest Terminator movie which was about Marcus, not Conner. Actually I would say none fo the Terminator movies (except the awful, awful thrid one) were really *about* the terminators...

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Broklynite wrote:
Clu Program wrote:
Don't Forget one Thing ...

The movie can not be named "Tron Legacy" without "TRON program"

So... Where is Tron ?


Well, Tron was never the main character in the original movie. For that matter, look at Ben Hur, which is really a story about Jesus, not the title character. Or the latest Terminator movie which was about Marcus, not Conner. Actually I would say none fo the Terminator movies (except the awful, awful thrid one) were really *about* the terminators...


You understand that Kosinski confirmed that Tron is actually in the film, right?
"It wouldn't be a TRON movie without TRON!"

Also, Rinzler has the same circuitry "T" that Tron does, plus, also, we've never seen Rinzler's face.

This is looking so likely, you'd have to be more close minded than a member of the westboro baptist church not to see that it's Tron.

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Broklynite
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Tyler1451 wrote:
Broklynite wrote:
Clu Program wrote:
Don't Forget one Thing ...

The movie can not be named "Tron Legacy" without "TRON program"

So... Where is Tron ?


Well, Tron was never the main character in the original movie. For that matter, look at Ben Hur, which is really a story about Jesus, not the title character. Or the latest Terminator movie which was about Marcus, not Conner. Actually I would say none fo the Terminator movies (except the awful, awful thrid one) were really *about* the terminators...


You understand that Kosinski confirmed that Tron is actually in the film, right?
"It wouldn't be a TRON movie without TRON!"

Also, Rinzler has the same circuitry "T" that Tron does, plus, also, we've never seen Rinzler's face.

This is looking so likely, you'd have to be more close minded than a member of the westboro baptist church not to see that it's Tron.


1. We don't know for a fact that it is Tron. I've argued earlier that Tron might be copied to make Clu's secret police. There are a large variety of plausable theories. Tron would be an old program even by tat point- was he updated? How would he continue to be updated when nobody could access him to do so? Modern viruses and such would laugh their asses off at such antiquated security.

2. I didn't say he isn't in the film, only that people shouldn't get their hopes up too high. I don't mean that he won't be there, but will he be a major character? Consider that Kevin Flynn is not the main character here as he was in the first movie, but Sam is instead. So I doubt that we will see as much of him as we would like either.

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At the LA Pit Cell screening, I asked a similar question and got this from Kosinski:

"Yes, Tron will be in it. I promise you. The film is called Tron"

Sooooo.... yeah. I felt like he was deliberately keeping quiet about the details rather than answering the question directly... I had fluffed my question a bit though Embarassed

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watch this Moviefone interview with Bruce, either I am reading too much into the clips and how he answers the questions or they pretty much show that Rinzler is Tron.

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a "new" pic of (flying)Rinzler :


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Take this as fodder or whatever you like..... This is just my speculation....

Has anyone given any thought as to why Rinzler has 2 identity discs? I'm thinking as others have stated, Clu, for lack of a better term, brainwashed him and now he has 2 identities. One disc for Tron and one disc for Rinzler. I wonder if the Rinzler disc were to get destroyed would the Tron persona reassert itself...

Again, just speculation on my part, but he is the ONLY program with two identity discs.
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I found some screen caps from the graphic novel "Tron: Betrayal". The images have convinced me that in some way, Rinzler is Tron...
Just have a look at Tron's suit: the similar design and circuitry lighting on the fingers and chest...





Here's the full body shot of Rinzler for comparison:

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I thought the same thing. Seems like the closest thing to a confirmation that we've gotten so far.

BTW: Can't forget the sneak-preview cover.


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I'd be with you in the Rinzler=Tron camp fully if he wasn't blue in the comic then orange in the film. I guess that could be where the Betrayal part came in but I dunno. I figured that'd be Clu betraying Flynn. Or some statement about Flynn abandoning his family in the real world for the digital world.

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I wouldn't get too hung up on colors. Remember how quickly the color change occurred in the original when they were on the solar sailer.(sailor?)
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velocity wrote:
I'd be with you in the Rinzler=Tron camp fully if he wasn't blue in the comic then orange in the film. I guess that could be where the Betrayal part came in but I dunno. I figured that'd be Clu betraying Flynn. Or some statement about Flynn abandoning his family in the real world for the digital world.

Don't forget when needed Flynn was able to change the colors of the programs in the original Tron... And with this being a 2.0 server and it being stated that Flynn brought over Tron.... Maybe he gave Tron the ability to be like a chameleon as he is a security program. In all the shots, both book and movie, the light suit patterns match up with the only difference being color. The only way that Rinzler wouldn't be Tron is if he is a clone of Tron that's been corrupted to follow Clu.

I still say it's most likely that Rinzler is Tron with another personality.... Hence the multiple Identity Discs.
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That's why I said not fully. Its probably the best reasoning that it is Tron but there's still a little bit of doubt for me. Part of me thinks maybe Clu used Tron as a base for his own lackeys/henchperson but it isn't actually Tron, like how all the warrior programs looked the same in the original so maybe all security avatars look similar if they have similar programming. Or the t on the program's chest is meant to throw us off in our speculation.

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Maybe Tron is masked, with a false identity shell, to be "Rinzler", because he is working undercover for Flynn, like Tron (Rinzler) is a double agent that's monitering Clu and secretly sending intel back to Flynn.

The Identity disc spliting into two is like the Rinzler ID is on one disc and it masks the encrypted Tron ID and data thats on the other Disc.

Other Programs and Clu only percieve "Rinzler" and only Flynn knows his true identity. Rinzler never removes his helmet... just futher hidding whom he is. The "T" pattern is not noticed by Clu or others since Rinzler's true Identity is very deeply masked. Sort of how if you ecrypt a file
( something like a x-rated pic), and name the file Financial Report... it's actual content is hidden and innocous.

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ShadowDragon1 wrote:
Maybe Tron is masked, with a false identity shell, to be "Rinzler", because he is working undercover for Flynn, like Tron (Rinzler) is a double agent that's monitering Clu and secretly sending intel back to Flynn.

The Identity disc spliting into two is like the Rinzler ID is on one disc and it masks the encrypted Tron ID and data thats on the other Disc.

Other Programs and Clu only percieve "Rinzler" and only Flynn knows his true identity. Rinzler never removes his helmet... just futher hidding whom he is. The "T" pattern is not noticed by Clu or others since Rinzler's true Identity is very deeply masked. Sort of how if you ecrypt a file
( something like a x-rated pic), and name the file Financial Report... it's actual content is hidden and innocous.
This is a good theory. If you read the tie-in comic "Tron: Betrayal", Tron did do some undercover work.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
He shifted his shape to become a Black Guard to blow up so ISO building. Clu hates the ISOs and the Sea of Simulation is an "isomorphic virus" so he wanted to destroy that.


Now after listening to the leaked soundtrack, I've made some connections. The track listing goes in order of the film, so the songs basically tell the story of the movie, which they're supposed to do anyway. And if you know how to analyze film scores and music in general, you can make the same connections I have.
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
So "Adagio for TRON" is slow and stringy. It plays after the Sam and Quorra lightrunner escape track "Outlands". I figure this is the part in the film where Flynn tells Sam the story of how he got stuck in the server. "My creation turned against me..." this is a flashback scene where we possibly see Tron punch Clu from the ElecTRONica footage. Though that is uncertain.
This is pure speculation, based in some fact. That's why that was in spoiler tags I guess. But the music gives away a lot of the story, especially the track "Rectifier".
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