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BertandEarnie
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Cache found in NYC cemetery
TODAY

you won't believe it!
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/explosives-found-historic-york-cemetery/story?id=11852963

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:08 am

Spaniard
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Rockethrower vs. Prometheus
Flushing Meadows Corona Park vs. Rockefeller Center Plaza

Consider whether the flare spouting in wpppt. like in the first 30 seconds, is a pointer toward either the Rockethrower in Flushing Meadows Corona park or Prometheus at Rockefeller Center Plaza. Given that the solution in TinTin involved a small globe that looks like the Unisphere there, pursuing this lead in Flushing Meadows Corona seems an excellent idea.

http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_your_park/historical_signs/hs_historical_sign.php?id=10758

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prometheus_at_Rockefeller_Center_by_David_Shankbone.jpg

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:20 am
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Spaniard
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Cache found in Cemetery
interesting coincidental parallels with treasure hunt clues

Here is Bill Murray molding plastic explosives into gophers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5yCwN7wymc

"It had green military coloring and yield-sign-yellow letters and it said 'Caution: Explosives.' But it didn't go through either of our minds that it was the real thing."

"The explosives, in a damaged plastic [black] garbage bag inside New York City Marble Cemetery on East Second Street, did not include a detonator, so there was never any danger of it going off, Mr. Kelly said at a news conference on Monday afternoon."

"The cache of military or commercial grade explosives was rediscovered Sunday by a volunteer who placed the material in a trash can. The volunteer called police today when acquaintances suggested the material could be dangerous."

"The call triggered an investigation into two messages that police feared could have been related to the find.

A rambling note found Sunday suggested something along the lines of "stop putting Christ on 2nd Street." The note was in an envelope put on a police cruiser. The cemetery, which dates back to 1831, is located on Second Street in Manhattan's lower East Side. A chalked message with a loopy arrow pointing into the cemetery said "I really hope one of you find it."

The explosives were found in the NEW YORK CITY MARBLE CEMETERY.

But let me first describe THE OTHER MARBLE CEMETERY where explosives were not found. The other Marble Cemetery reportedly is commonly used for filming, tends to be open to the public only on Sunday afternoons, and has a gate that leads down a narrow alley, and Vaults rather than tombstones. The stones on the wall look like Morse code -- regular dots and dashes. The tombstones you may see in images are movie props.

But the explosives were found at the NEW YORK CITY MARBLE CEMETERY which has a separate website. Both have their own website.

"The note referenced Jesus Christ, and was signed by him," Kelly said.

On Second St. perhaps means "make a lesser priority."

Separately, in front of the cemetery gate, a chalk message said "I really hope one of you find this." Then there was a loopy arrow pointing to the cemetery. Compare the loopy arrow pointing past the two balls in the field where Tom cut off the head.

While fascinating, I think the Commissioner is correct that the note found in October 2010 would not relate to the C4 cache dug up in May 2009. (The cache then was put in the trash recently and a call made suggesting it might be dangerous). It seems that it would be totally unrelated. Possibly the note was left by a fast-acting opportunist with an unknown motivation. I nonetheless would want to know who did the filming -- some had thought it was a movie prop relating to filming that had been done there. For example, I remember bumping into Mulligan once when he was returning from filming in a cemetery.

Now, coincidentally and ironically, I have suggested that the Captain and his crew killed Father Christmas (based on Mulligan's Santa/Satan clue). I made the comment -- in the spirit of a fun treasure hunt -- in order to make it fit the Spaniard/Inigo Montoya motif. (I had a fun video clip that might cement my screen name of Spaniard and make the Spaniard the rightful heir to the identity of the Dread Pirate Roberts.)

As much as I am in awe of their talents as entertainers, I certainly would bring both Mulligan and Captain in and make them walk the rotten plaque
-- certainly the bird will talk. There's still the unsolved murder of Johnny Longbottoms floating around like a turd in a swimming pool. Did Bill Murray use C-4 in Caddyshack?

No markers were placed on the ground; instead, marble plaques set into the Cemetery's long north and south walls give the names of the families interred nearby.

In the small world department, one of the founders and originals was the man whose statue stands over the black pine box marked the red line at Rockford Center Plaza. David Hosack was physician, botanist, scientist.

He was one of the original owners who established the New York Marble Cemetery and is interred in Vault 52. His certificate ownership from 1832 is online.

He reminds one of Russell Crowe's friend on the "Surprise" in the Patrick O'Brien series -- particularly given that one of Fafa's favorite books is ORIGIN OF THE SPECIES.

"Others familiar with the probe said that another avenue being explored is whether the discovery of the explosives was in any way connected to the nearby location of the Hells Angels motorcycle club." (We've discussed the Hells Gate clue in this webseries though I forget the details).
The Daily News is reporting that they thought it might relate to previous filming at the cemetery -- it was wrapped in plastic and marked with the word EXPLOSIVES in yellow. They thought it was a movie prop.

According to "Hell's Angels: Three Can Keep a Secret if Two are Dead" by Yves Lavigne, the biker gang stockpiled C-4 in the 1980s.

Ironically, the Captain and his crew does tend to blow things up -- just as did Captain Haddock in the TinTin episode involving the Red Rackham treasure. Specifically, the Captain and his friends blew up his G4 because he wanted an Apple G5. But they used tannerite which is legal. To blow up the G5, moreover, they brought in professionals. Separately the Captain has uploaded a film blasting an anvil really, really high -- but there perhaps the fellow filed there used black powder. I think that was filmed at a park down south.

Given that these FBI investigators tend to unproductively compartmentalize information -- just like the treasure hunters participating in this forum -- we'll likely never know who left the C4, who is responsible for the anthrax mailings, or where the gold "buried" by these puppeteers is.

Which brings us to Mulligan's end of the world scenario. I believe he kiddingly suggests (on his website) it will happen on 12/21/2012. It's enough to make you want to go to Times Square in a Santa suit and drink grog until you're dizzy.

Here, in this puppet webseries, I've suggested that that the clue pointers, as I read them, appear to simultaneously point to Flushing Meadows Corona Park, Rockefeller Center and 111 Empire Blvd. in Brooklyn. I've urged for your consideration the fun muppet trailer that ends with the caution that "Dead men tell no tales."

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29767&start=3540

See also
"Twilight at the world of tomorrow" July 11, 2010
http://www.nypost.com/f/print/news/opinion/books/twilight_at_the_world_of_tomorrow_BlyxUmhe8HiwiZqg1YgDOM

I've suggested the strong visual clues to the gold coins being hidden under balls. Here, the C4 was found in Marble Cemetery. (I couldn't make this stuff up -- it writes itself). Smile

Are they absolutely sure it is actual C4 and not a prop? Was it inert? Was it lawful for Bill Murray to use it on the gophers?

In the Muppets pirate movie, the treasure had been dug up and removed to the ex-girlfried of Captain Kermit. You had to know that Kermit's ex-girlfriend was Miss Piggy to locate the treasure. Join me now in a rousing chorus in with the two crabs, the octopus, the gorilla, the diamond-backed snake, and the rest of the crew to sing a rousing chorus of "Shiver My Timbers!" Jim Henson's memorial bench number is 10098, a New York City zipcode. (Sesame Street Director Stone, whose memorial bench is next to the Jim Henson bench. Mr. Stone died of Lou Gehrig's disease ("luckiest man in the world" speech).

Muppet Treasure Island: Shiver My Timbers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RisL9l8HzmM

The Infiltration of US Biodefense: Anthrax and Al Qaeda
http://www.blurb.com/books/1443811

http://www.newanthraxandalqaeda.com
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:55 am
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Spaniard
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:07 am
Last edited by Spaniard on Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:51 am; edited 2 times in total

BertandEarnie
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Joined: 24 Sep 2010
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Re: Cache found in Cemetery
interesting coincidental parallels with treasure hunt clues

Spaniard wrote:

"The cache of military or commercial grade explosives was rediscovered Sunday by a volunteer who placed the material in a trash can. The volunteer called police today when acquaintances suggested the material could be dangerous."

"The call triggered an investigation into two messages that police feared could have been related to the find.

A rambling note found Sunday suggested something along the lines of "stop putting Christ on 2nd Street." The cemetery, which dates back to 1831, is located on Second Street in Manhattan's lower East Side.

"The note referenced Jesus Christ, and was signed by him," Kelly said. "It was found in an envelope."

Comment:

While fascinating, I think the Commissioner is correct that the note found in October 2010 would not relate to the C4 cache dug up in May 2009. (The cache then was put in the trash recently and a call made suggesting it might be dangerous). It seems that it would be totally unrelated.

Now, coincidentally and ironically, I have suggested that the Captain and his crew killed Father Christmas (based on Mulligan's Santa/Satan clue). I made the comment -- in the spirit of a fun treasure hunt -- in order to make it fit the Spaniard/Inigo Montoya motif. (I had a fun video clip that might cement my screen name of Spaniard and make the Spaniard the rightful heir to the identify of the Dread Pirate Roberts.)

"The commissioner said that while the note did not initially appear related to the explosive cache, it was a part of the investigation."

I agree with the commissioner. The note seems unrelated. Specifically, at the time it was written the writer likely would not have known that the volunteer had rediscovered the cache and inquiry had been made asking if it was dangerous.

"In addition, a chalked message on a sidewalk down the street from the cemetery read that "I really hope you find this" is also under investigation for any connection to the find."

Again, that would seem unrelated to the C4 cache. But all these things are worthy of investigation and as big fans of the Big Apple, we wish the investigators well.

Coincidentally, I've suggested that the FBI is incorrect in its analysis of the Fall 2001 anthrax mailings and recently suggested that Apple is the key clue. I've suggested that an Apple computer that went missing and still needs to be found (or it needs to be determined what happened to it.

Anthrax and Al Qaeda: The Infiltration of US Biodefense
http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1443811

100+ downloadable graphics
http://www.newanthraxandalqaeda.com

"Others familiar with the probe said that another avenue being explored is whether the discovery of the explosives was in any way connected to the nearby location of the Hells Angels motorcycle club."

(We've discussed the Hells Gate clue in this webseries though I forget the details).

And the Captain and his crew does tend to blow things up -- just as did Captain Haddock in the TinTin episode involving the Red Rackham treasure. Specifically, the Captain and his friends blew up his G4 because he wanted an Apple G5. But they used tannerite which is legal.

Given that these FBI investigators tend to unproductively compartmentalize information -- just like the treasure hunters participating in this forum -- we'll likely never know who left the C4, who is responsible for the anthrax mailings, or where the gold "buried" by these puppeteers is.

Which brings us to Mulligan's end of the world scenario. I believe he thinks it will happen on 12/21/2012. It's enough to make you want to go to Times Square in a Santa suit and drink grog until you're dizzy.

It looks like someone needs to reopen the Amerithrax investigation and take an approach that avoids conflict of interest -- and that seeks to avoid the harm caused to analysis by the compartmentalization of information and clue solutions.

And in this treasure hunt, it seems that someone as astute as Cap'n Slim or jrc or the many others excellent clue solvers need to consider whether mirror or reverse images are somehow used in a key final solution -- analogous to reversing the picture of the last supper to get a different interpretation. (One of Fafa's favorite books is Gardner's Art Through The Ages.)

Conflict of interest and compartmentalization leads to a lot of fruitless digging of holes.

Wasn't the scientist whos computer was stolen, also a suspect and was then thrown over a bridge(ruled suicide)? I feel the 2001 anthrax was a CIA experiment.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:45 am

b8sbal3
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Joined: 11 Aug 2010
Posts: 23

Re: Capn Slims backstage photo
Object in room

BertandEarnie wrote:

FindersKeepers wrote:

BertandEarnie wrote:

FindersKeepers wrote:

BertandEarnie wrote:

Does anyone know what that pipe object (standing in room)is in the Wild Spirits photo?

Probably a lamp. What do I win?

The Lamp is probably part of the lighthouse in the window. I am speaking of the Funnel like spout on a pipe in the room, the same funnel seen in the wpppt video.

It looks like a knob on an adjustable light stand. There is a power cable next to it.

Actually I am possitive it is not . If that was a power cord, its defying gravity in its arch. And that spout is not a switch either, it shoots coins in the wpppt. Jut my opinion anyways. I feel its some type of flare used for something we should define. Its not a lamp. im most certain. Look in the early part of the wpppt. like in the first 30 seconds, you will see the flared spout. I have seen this before somewhere, it baffles me.

Are you trying to say that that is "the dead man's hand" as in the trophy?

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:58 pm

sickshot
Guest

Re: Capn Slims backstage photo
Object in room

b8sbal3 wrote:

BertandEarnie wrote:

FindersKeepers wrote:

BertandEarnie wrote:

FindersKeepers wrote:

BertandEarnie wrote:

Does anyone know what that pipe object (standing in room)is in the Wild Spirits photo?

Probably a lamp. What do I win?

The Lamp is probably part of the lighthouse in the window. I am speaking of the Funnel like spout on a pipe in the room, the same funnel seen in the wpppt video.

It looks like a knob on an adjustable light stand. There is a power cable next to it.

Are you trying to say that that is "the dead man's hand" as in the trophy?

As b8sbal3 said before me, I think you are referring to the shot where there is an extreme close up of the trophy and gold coins being dropped. Its not a spout, its just one of the fingers of the dead man's hand trophy.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:55 pm

mlssry
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Joined: 04 Aug 2010
Posts: 324

Does anyone have a list of all of the switched letters?
I have C-P, J-B, ILL-ELE, saNTA-saTAN.....what am I missing?

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:20 pm

Kiwi Sailor
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Joined: 01 Oct 2010
Posts: 14
Location: NoLongerOnAYacht

Watch The Birdie!

Anyone else found the birdie yet?

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:00 pm

mlssry
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Joined: 04 Aug 2010
Posts: 324

Re: Watch The Birdie!

Kiwi Sailor wrote:

Anyone else found the birdie yet?

I believe I have found the birdy...and his nest...and his path...oh and the ship, that's important too.
But sadly, not the gold Sad

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:31 pm

BertandEarnie
Boot

Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Posts: 64

Re: Watch The Birdie!
or it watches you

Kiwi Sailor wrote:

Anyone else found the birdie yet?

Im surte there are several birdies and several interpretations....but I found the birdies path and where it landed.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:36 pm

captain12fingers
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Joined: 12 Sep 2010
Posts: 209

Birdie
Gotta Love it

Gotta love that funky phantom birdie

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:44 pm

captain12fingers
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Posts: 209

ELE
Just stick to that

Mlssry just stick to the Ele like I told you.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:47 pm

BertandEarnie
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Joined: 24 Sep 2010
Posts: 64

Re: Capn Slims backstage photo
Object in room

b8sbal3 wrote:

BertandEarnie wrote:

FindersKeepers wrote:

BertandEarnie wrote:

FindersKeepers wrote:

BertandEarnie wrote:

Does anyone know what that pipe object (standing in room)is in the Wild Spirits photo?

Probably a lamp. What do I win?

The Lamp is probably part of the lighthouse in the window. I am speaking of the Funnel like spout on a pipe in the room, the same funnel seen in the wpppt video.

It looks like a knob on an adjustable light stand. There is a power cable next to it.

Are you trying to say that that is "the dead man's hand" as in the trophy?

What i am saying I guess is that i believed it to be a funnel and though it looks like the trophy hand, the ring would be sitting to high. Ill look some more...but swear the ring was lower on the pinky and I think the spout on that pole resembles the supposed finger. yes. I just feel something isnt right here. I know it looks like the hand, the shadow and all, but the ring? hmmm

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:48 pm

BertandEarnie
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Posts: 64

Must be the finger

i looked again and can not see the ring on the forefinger as it is in this shot. But I guess it makes senses. Its just weird how the spout resembles the finger. Thanks.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:52 pm

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