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[WILD SPEC] Ronnie is the SP AND, she came with the artifact
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Zemat
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[WILD SPEC] Ronnie is the SP AND, she came with the artifact

Hey, I have another incredibly wild spec regarding to SP:

I know we have been speculating that SP may/may not be Ronnie. That she maybe Forerunner/Covenant/Human. That she came from the Artifact recovered by the Apocalypso. That she's older than the other AI's yet younger or newer somehow. But what if...

She is an AI from a far far future. A future beyond the events in the recordings. That she's in fact made out of Ronnie's brain and that she was released from a glassed planet (far future Earth?) which is the one she refers as the glass coffin where they (the Covenant?) won't be able to put her into again. She was recovered somehow and encapsulated in the artifact (Forerunner?) and sent into the past to prevent the catastrophe. Latter, she was recovered by the Apocalypso. Yet the Apocalypso slip-space jump made her, along with Melissa and the Pious Flea be catapulted even further into the past to our time.

Maybe our job is not to prevent the Covenant finding Earth (impossible for meta reasons) yet we somehow we'll be responsible for changing the future's past and preventing Earth's glassing, or something like that.

Whoa! it reads even crazier than I imagined it. What do you think? Smile
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I think that there is a severe lack of evidence and that you should probably go to bed now.
Until we receive or activate further information about Ronnie, such wild speculations as this are merely a collection of moot points.

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With one mere post, Blascoetc., you've managed to make friends, influence people, and profit from the major investment you've made to this forum!

Congrats!

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Two major flaws in that SPEC. First, the Sleeping Princess was still in her glass coffin when the gang arrived on ILB:
In the Widow's Journey, the author (believed to be the Princess) wrote:
When she had made sure of her tools, she opened her eyes and found herself in Hell, which was a dark place where no birds sang. Other than the Widow, two alone had escaped destruction. The Sleeping Princess lay in a chamber of the dungeon in a coffin of glass where the Widow could not hear her breathing.
Second, the Queen (not the Covenant, the human AI Queen who can't control time travel) will put her back in the coffin if she's ever caught:
On the 404 page, the Princess wrote:
A: I came from a glass coffin in a hidden crypt under the floor of the deepest dungeon of the castle, Paul! And it would be very easy to go back there: I wouldn't hardly need any tools at all. Just let the Queen catch me, she'd pop me back in there lickety-split.
I appreciate the right of people to SPEC, and understand the value of it, but I wish people would read everything before announcing conclusions that are refutable from in-game material.
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Zemat
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I'm deeply sorry... Embarassed

I do try to keep up with everything and read the most that I can before posting anything yet it's really hard to keep up with the vast amount of material (the ILB site, the wiki, theBruce's Timelines and Axon Plot) when you only got 2 hours a day to waste on the net (not just playing this game). I also use the search feature, but so far I use it just to avoid making a trout comment. But enough of excuses.

I remember reading the two quotes and I forgot the part of the SP still being there in the glass coffin after the incident.

I still have my doubts about the two quotes. It is clear that SP escaped through the coffin cracks but I don't remember any reference on the texts to she being imprisioned after or before the incident by the queen, widow or PF. I always assumed she was there from the beggining of the known story. That's way I pressumed the coffin being the artifact or a planet (That wild speculation I made about the glass coffin being a glassed planet could be handled more like a double allegory symbolizing both a dead planet and the artifact). But the spec about she being Ronnie coming from the future via the artifact still holds leaving out the flawed planet/coffin association I made.

We have plenty of references making Ronnie a candidate for a spy AI. Yet she's still alive at the moment of the recordings and we know they are being made (in-game) somehow as we speak (the operator just confirmed she has some sort of way to interact with the future slightly, both to record and manipulate). And SP's personality seems to match with that of Ronnie's. Since we know time travel is possible and it's probably associated with the artifact then we can't rule out still the posibility that SP came from another time, other than Melissa's time, along with the artifact. Even if the artifact isn't really the glass coffin SP talks about (the rest of the AI's also travelled througth time supposedly aided by the artifact without being enclosed by it, maybe).

Also the 404 answer saying that the queen is able to put her again in the coffin could be handled like an allegory to suppresing her means of communication with us or interaction with the ILB server. SP is a process, a piece of software. That's why I think she says the queen would hardly need any tools to put her back in the glass coffin. Just like the queen didn't required any tools the destroy the SPDR. Although I must say this argument doesn't support nor necessarily contradicts the glass coffin being the artifact. If the queen can put back the SP inside the glass coffin, then it doesn't have to be a weird object like the artifact just a mundane object like a hard drive or a blocked server. But the answer could also imply that the queen could put a firewall blocking the means by which the artifact interacts with the server, if the artifact came also to our time (the widow talks about handling unknown crystal fragments, I don't know if this was allegory of some sort or a literal reference to a physical material)
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I'm not sure it's entirely on the same line of thinking as this thread, but anyway, when SP explicitly mentions memories of things more than 7 years ago, I'm pretty sure we're supposed to take the hint that she is not a human-based AI.

The seven-year life span of human smart AIs is very well documented and for the Princess to explicitly say 'more than 7 years ago' is something that cannot be ignored.

So, unless the Forerunners snatched Ronnie and made an AI out of her, which is pretty unlikely, I feel pretty comfortable speccing that neither Ronnie nor any other human is the basis for the SP.
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