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[Son of a Beep]

The books imply that most normal military personell considered the spartan 2s to be freaks and were rather threatened by them. Especially the ODSTs and other elite groups, who thought they'd be phased out by these super-soldiers. It would make sense that James James would be resentful of the S2s, they are his replacement.

I used to think that Jan was Kamal's sister who was taken from home and replaced with a flash clone, but these new wavs seem to disprove that theory. I think its much more likely that J2 is the daughter of two spartan 1s who has natural and artificial genetic enhancements, but no formal training.

Kamal's sister was probably kidnapped, replaced with a flash clone that deteriorated and died, and turned into the Silent Princess, from the sounds of her new story. Why? No idea.

[Ceantari]

It's confirmed that James is John's fallen ally. John doesn't like acknoledging his fellow kinsmen's deaths, and scribes MIA instead. Kelly is officially the only one truly deserving of MIA. James is the same guy; the only way to truly verify it is if or when he'll retell of his rescue and recooperation. (Remember: His hand was severely burned; so it had to been flash-cloned for some new skin and muscle replacements.) And having no last name, he labelled himself his first name twice - James James.

I'm hoping that the next set of audio (if at all) will be of James' recollection of rescue. With that, it'll give us a more confident timestamp.


Reach fell on August 30, 2552.

[Mazian]

[Atoner]

[Mazian]

[Ceantari]

I like the novels. They're worth $6 each! Cheap entertainment! Who would've thought they played a role into this? ^_^

Guess I should list my sources, sorry for that slight confusion.

[FauxHammer]

Actually, in the books, James (the spartan II, and MC's buddy) gets lost, floating in space near Reach, while on a mission to destroy some sensitive data on an orbitting spacecraft DURING the battle for Reach. So he doesnt go MIA (and presumed dead) until the battle of Reach itself in 2552. Since we know that J^2 was already on earth when Reach fell, and has apparently been there long enough to raise a family, there is no way he could possibly be the same person as James the Spartan II.


Further, isnt the Spartan III program pure spec? I mean, do we even KNOW that S-III stands for Spartan III? When I read it my conclusion was that it was a file of the Spartan IIs, for use by ONI section III...

Seems to me that most likely James and Gilly are spartan 1s, and Jan is "tricked out" because she got some basic "miracles" shot into her as a favor by some military buddy of J^2. She herself is not a Spartan at all, she just has some spartan-like traits and had some tricks taught to her by J^2... She has no training, etc. She's just a normal girl who got spartan traits. Which is probably illegal, which is why J^2 had to burn down the police station, because he didnt want them to find out Jan was tweaked, because they would have traced it back to J^2's military buddy and busted him. Thats why J^2 says People you don't even know will get hurt. (in reference to whoever it was that did the under-the-table favor and tweaked Jan.)

[Mazian]

[MeKiwi]

[ajenteks]

[Ceantari]

I thought that the SPARTAN-I was a complete failure?

[omnistegan]

these are the times you wish you had broken into bungie and photocopied the halo bible. Anyway, I believe its likely that he was part of the Spartan-II project and one that had failed the physical upgrades. The book certainly does not go into detail about all of "fallen" spartans, and thier circumstances, so i think its very possible that he could be one, i don't think there is any way we can say if hes even in a wheelchair or not. It sounds as if Jan was, as she has said: "tweaked up" she goes on to say not like her parents but still. And recently we have found that she is tactical and a good fighter, even if shes not using these skills for good. I do certainly believe that she could have been "bred from birth" to be a spartan, maybe there was a complication, the fall of reach states that half of the spartans fell to complications, but she wasnt seriously hurt. Maybe she is yet to be recruited for military, I don't know, well have to just wait and see.

[ajenteks]

[angelo]

[Bobman]

The James who lost his hand/forearm is the same James who got lost in space at Reach. After his hand got burned off, apparently he got it regrown or something and returned to active service with the rest of the Spartan II.


As for Spartan Is, this is the first real info I've ever heard about them. A "previous project" is mentioned in relation to the Spartan IIs in the books (IIRC), but this is the first to describe what they went through. It is pretty widely thought that the training instructor for the Spartan IIs was a Spartan I. And it does make sense that the Spartan Is were military volunteers. I'm curious about just what is different in terms of the enhancements between the Spartan Is and IIs. Jan has the increased muscle density, which the Spartan IIs also got, but the IIs got metal bones, fibers implanted into their nervous system to increase thinking speed and reflexes, ect. J^2 says that "the ones who made it through, we were family." That indicates that there were also fatalities in the I's surgery also.

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Daaamn, I need to type faster.

I agree with MeKiwi and FauxHammer. That does look like a good scenario.

Ajenteks: We THINK he was sent off, its not for sure. At least I think it is...

Omnistegan: If someone failed the physical upgrades, they were dead, wheelchair-bound, or stuck under life support 24/7.