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[PHONE] [Our] conversation(s) with Melissa
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Mazian
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I'm not a codemonkey. I'm a grunt. A corporal.

What would I know about the version numbers of SPDR?


let's try to think of some way "in character" to bring this information up.

Saying "I think there might be more than just one rogue process" is something I feel completely comfortable saying.

/me sides with Melissa
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Dragonrider
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er--- before Mazian...

But you have to realize, she thinks we are her crew from BEFORE the crash.

On a second note, I completely agree with Cpl. Mazian here. It shoudl be as In Character as possible. We don't want to freak out the Operator here and scare her away from all her and our hard work.
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Quote:
surg:
SPDR: !verify vnum

PF: 00

SPDR: !compare vnum SPDR-5.14.3 > 00
vnum seq dmg
!bite rogue proc 1


PF: escape

SPDR: !verify vnum

PF: SPDR-5.14.3

SPDR: !compare vnum SPDR-5.14.3 > SPDR-5.14.3
vnum seq clone
!bite clone proc 1


PF: Resist!
!diag primary sector mem dmg
extern proc 1


SP: Eight—There is the Queen!
Quick he leaps onto her throne
new friend, says queen.


MELISSA: What?

PF: !compare vnum SPDR-5.14.77 >> SPDR-5.14.3

SP: When the widow was
broken to bits, nobody
seemed very upset.


MELISSA: Very well. Delete the older version.

PF: system peril distributed reflex vnum SPDR-5.14.3
null




So, like, in english. the widow saw the fFlea, and tried to delete it. But the fFlea was smarter and fFaster, and tricked the widow into thinking it was a clone of itself. Then the fFlea tricked melissa into thinking it was a NEWER VERSION of the widow.

Melissa knows there's a rogue process, but she doesnt know enough about them to really say what is what.

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Mazian
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Dragonrider wrote:
er--- before Mazian...

But you have to realize, she thinks we are her crew from BEFORE the crash.

On a second note, I completely agree with Cpl. Mazian here. It shoudl be as In Character as possible. We don't want to freak out the Operator here and scare her away from all her and our hard work.



Woot to Scott! thanks for that very useful bit of history.

Dragonrider. I think that we should just go with the flow. The PM's have a time table, and while we should show some initiative, we mostly want to give them chances to reveal the pieces they want to reveal along the time table that they want to reveal it.

This is a game, they do want us to finish it. They just don't want us to finish it too quickly Twisted Evil
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DM
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Yes, big thanks to Scott for his help with the SPDR version number.

As I said to MikeWas in #Beekeepers, only one person should attempt this. And, if it is true that the "Spikers" are only being contacted by recordings, then forget it. But warning her of another possible rogue process could work for or against us. She could consider it an attack (What, aren't I smart enough to find out myself?!) or a friend trying to help (Thanks for the advice, I'll look into it.)

Either way, I think she's going to find out about our talking to the Sleeping Princess... or, that we aren't her crew.
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*grin* Good point. What would be the fun of finishing the game, say, tomorrow? Then we'd be up a creek until she calls again (if she did after that point).
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I nominate the Corpral here... He likes his stance, so why not run with it?
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ok, at what point did everyone suddenly assume that the 'rogue' is the Sleeping Princess? the only reference to 'rogue' by Melissa before now that I can recall, is when dealing with SPDR, when SPDR recognized 3 'extern proc's... extern proc 1 was labeled as a 'rogue proc' (or rogue proc 1), and that proc was the Flea. The Princess was never referred to as a rogue proc...

Am I missing something here? or is the spec that the 'rogue' Melissa is referring to now is in fact the Princess?
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Honestly, they don't know me from a hole in the ground, and you can see from my report that my performance was...dubious at best. (Why didn't I try singing instead?) Anyway, MeKiwi was right--your chances would likely have been better if you just let her drive the conversation.

I fully understand your approach works for you at work, but in a military environment (even in an ex-military one), interrupting or directly questioning someone who is talking is a Bad Plan.
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Mazian
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DM wrote:
Yes, big thanks to Scott for his help with the SPDR version number.

As I said to MikeWas in #Beekeepers, only one person should attempt this. And, if it is true that the "Spikers" are only being contacted by recordings, then forget it. But warning her of another possible rogue process could work for or against us. She could consider it an attack (What, aren't I smart enough to find out myself?!) or a friend trying to help (Thanks for the advice, I'll look into it.)

Either way, I think she's going to find out about our talking to the Sleeping Princess... or, that we aren't her crew.


Best phrasing I can recommend to suggest this:

"Melissa, because of the damage to your systems, I recommend you run a low level system audit of all software and processes running at this time. Pay special attention to the version numbers of those processes. Compare against available records of original software. Suspect any software versions not contained in your records."

behold x=0

reveal proc x vnum
!compare proc x vnum = archive proc x vnum
increment x
!compare proc x vnum != archive proc x vnum
null proc x
!reconst proc x
archive proc x >> proc x
recurse

Twisted Evil

I'm telling you, I am not a codemonkey Razz
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thebruce wrote:
ok, at what point did everyone suddenly assume that the 'rogue' is the Sleeping Princess? the only reference to 'rogue' by Melissa before now that I can recall, is when dealing with SPDR, when SPDR recognized 3 'extern proc's... extern proc 1 was labeled as a 'rogue proc' (or rogue proc 1), and that proc was the Flea. The Princess was never referred to as a rogue proc...

Am I missing something here? or is the spec that the 'rogue' Melissa is referring to now is in fact the Princess?


Because Melissa seems to trust the flea in her text, and says the rogue process is spying on her. We haven't seen the Flea spying on Melissa (yet), but the SP has been doing it a lot.

And Marzian, that is perfect!
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bruce is right on one point. sleeping princess is *never* referred to as rogue proc. i was looking thru some logs and stuff, and the fFlea even refers to princess as "extern proc 0"

Quote:
grope:
!probe extern proc 0


Hands to yourself, mister!

behold:
extern proc 0
!label Princess


So, yeah, i dont know that melissa thinks princess is a rogue, per se. But she does know there is .. something else running around the ship. so it's not unreasonable to think she wants to stop or at least control her.

fFor now, anyway, princess wants to be in hiding. It's probably best we let her stay that way.

But i'm pretty sure the fFlea must go, yo.

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thebruce wrote:
ok, at what point did everyone suddenly assume that the 'rogue' is the Sleeping Princess? the only reference to 'rogue' by Melissa before now that I can recall, is when dealing with SPDR, when SPDR recognized 3 'extern proc's... extern proc 1 was labeled as a 'rogue proc' (or rogue proc 1), and that proc was the Flea. The Princess was never referred to as a rogue proc...

Am I missing something here? or is the spec that the 'rogue' Melissa is referring to now is in fact the Princess?


I can't find anywhere wher the SP was referred to as a rogue process. However, since the PF has been talking with the SP, PF might have told Melissa about the SP, and thus dubbing her a 'rogue proc'.

After all, SP HAS been spying on Melissa.

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Mazian
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Scott wrote:
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So, yeah, i dont know that melissa thinks princess is a rogue, per se. But she does know there is .. something else running around the ship. so it's not unreasonable to think she wants to stop or at least control her.
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If you read Scott's post above containing the SPDR/PF code you will see that the SPDR refers to PF as a rogue proc and then a clone proc.

Granted the "spying" description describes SP better, but the conversations we have seen have been between PF and SP, not between PF and Melissa. Thus, we cannot know for certain that PF isn't saying

rogue proc 1

to Melissa.
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Summary:

Fact...
- The Flea has a previous label of 'rogue proc (1)'
- The Princess has a previous label of 'extern proc 0'
- Melissa has never directly referred to 'rogue' until now. Whether this refers to 'rogue proc' or not, is uncertain.

Spec...
- Melissa considers the Princess to be a 'rogue'
- Melissa is beginning to know there's something out there, whether it be the flea or the princess, and refers to it as the 'rogue'

Just because the Flea is 'whispering in Melissa's ear' doesn't mean she can't realize something isn't right... she might feel that something is wrong, even though she doesn't yet fully grasp that the Flea is guiding her... to her, all she knows is there's a 'rogue' out there... She also knows the Princes is out there, but I can't remember if she's directly referred to the princess in any way... we know she's interacted, or had contact, with the princess, but that was only through the Princess' dialogues, not Melissa IIRC...
Thus: is this first time Melissa has directly referred to another entity in her own dialogue? If so, we have absolutely no idea what 'rogue' she is referring to... could be the flea or the princess...
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