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What do you want to see?/What are you sick of?
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Lewa
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 		How about Slenderman stops being so racist? I admit there are many Slenderblogs I haven't gotten around to, but it sure seems like the victims are all white.

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Lewa wrote:
How about Slenderman stops being so racist? I admit there are many Slenderblogs I haven't gotten around to, but it sure seems like the victims are all white.


Considering both my kinda-boyfriend (we plan to "officially" date in a couple months or so) and one of my few RL friends who knows about Slendy are both black, I promise to remedy this if I ever make Slenderseries. Of course, that would require a bit too much free time.

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Lewa wrote:
How about Slenderman stops being so racist? I admit there are many Slenderblogs I haven't gotten around to, but it sure seems like the victims are all white.
No offense, but, I think that's just kinda how the dice rolled. It just so happens that all of the mythos youtube/blogs (more so the youtube videos) are all made by white people. I've got nothing against any one of any other race having they're own series. I think that, if they can to it, regardless of who they are, they should go for it.

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 		Yeah, I dunno how you can remedy that. Maybe he just has something against people who are as pale as he is?

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 		Sick of- CONSTANT recycling of themes and mythos elements introduced my Marble Hornets.

The TTA-TribeTwelve video actually annoyed the hell out of me. Confused

EMH does use SOME of the elements from MH, but it adds its own, which is probably why I do enjoy it.

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awakeasaurusrex
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G.I.R wrote:
Sick of- CONSTANT recycling of themes and mythos elements introduced my Marble Hornets.

I think there's a tightrope to walk. You do need to throw in at least a few connections to other Slendy stories, otherwise your own one doesn't feel like it fits in the mythos any more, and like I think I said earlier I like the way all the stories blend together at the edges. On the other hand, like you say, straight up plagiarism is a real turn-off.

So on the one hand you risk annoying people by not bringing enough new to the table, and on the other hand you risk having something which is so different it might as well be an entirely new thing rather than trying to tie it into the whole Slendy deal.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
G.I.R wrote:
Sick of- CONSTANT recycling of themes and mythos elements introduced my Marble Hornets.

I think there's a tightrope to walk. You do need to throw in at least a few connections to other Slendy stories, otherwise your own one doesn't feel like it fits in the mythos any more, and like I think I said earlier I like the way all the stories blend together at the edges. On the other hand, like you say, straight up plagiarism is a real turn-off.

So on the one hand you risk annoying people by not bringing enough new to the table, and on the other hand you risk having something which is so different it might as well be an entirely new thing rather than trying to tie it into the whole Slendy deal.


Yes it definitely does need some hints of the Mythos, but of the real story from SA, not from Marble Hornets.

Everyman HYBRID is pulling it off quite nicely. Only quip is the use of the operator symbol that MH made, but I think they stopped using it already.

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G.I.R wrote:
Yes it definitely does need some hints of the Mythos, but of the real story from SA, not from Marble Hornets.
No, I absolutely disagree with this. The SA story might have been the original story, but it's not the real story in the same way as there's no such thing as a real, definitive version of an urban myth. I'm absolutely against the development of anything resembling a "Slender Canon", for the reasons I outlined above - it would let us know what to expect.

The worst thing that ever happened to Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos was authors treating it as though it had a fixed and immutable canon. It doesn't; Lovecraft deliberately contradicted himself from story to story because he wanted to create a mythos of puzzling stories with no canonical "truth". That's how the Slender Man Mythos needs to grow and develop too.

Canon = stagnation. No canon in the club.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
Canon = stagnation. No canon in the club.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
G.I.R wrote:
Yes it definitely does need some hints of the Mythos, but of the real story from SA, not from Marble Hornets.
No, I absolutely disagree with this. The SA story might have been the original story, but it's not the real story in the same way as there's no such thing as a real, definitive version of an urban myth. I'm absolutely against the development of anything resembling a "Slender Canon", for the reasons I outlined above - it would let us know what to expect.

The worst thing that ever happened to Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos was authors treating it as though it had a fixed and immutable canon. It doesn't; Lovecraft deliberately contradicted himself from story to story because he wanted to create a mythos of puzzling stories with no canonical "truth". That's how the Slender Man Mythos needs to grow and develop too.

Canon = stagnation. No canon in the club.


I don't mean take it all, just small details of how he works.

And oddly enough there are things that are apparently canon in each series already.

The operator symbol D:

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G.I.R wrote:
I don't mean take it all, just small details of how he works.
What's wrong with people making up their own minor details?

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And oddly enough there are things that are apparently canon in each series already.

The operator symbol D:

I don't actually mind the operator symbol because, so long as the storytellers aren't actually shoving it in your face, it's a nice little tag. Not too obtrusive, can happily be stuck in the background, and a neat enough way of tipping people off that they should be looking out for tall gentlemen in the background.

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 		My problem with the operator symbol is, that it seems to have a special "meaning" in MH (regarding them calling Slendy [The Operator]). So just adding it to your series just strikes me as.. odd.

It can't be that hard to establish an own symbol. There are tons of it, and surely many of them could be connected to our Slim friend.
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awakeasaurusrex
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Snippet wrote:
My problem with the operator symbol is, that it seems to have a special "meaning" in MH (regarding them calling Slendy [The Operator]). So just adding it to your series just strikes me as.. odd.

It can't be that hard to establish an own symbol. There are tons of it, and surely many of them could be connected to our Slim friend.
Depends why you're using it. If it's a minor detail thrown in to establish that your ARG is a Slendy ARG, then using the same symbol makes sense because if you didn't use the same symbol it'd be useless for establishing a connection. If you're using it for a particular purpose then yeah, making up your own one works.

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 		Well, the ⓧ has been used in many of TT and EMH vids, including most of the other, lesser series. It is a shame, but it's less of a plot device and more of a sign indicating that the series is, indeed, a Slender Man series. As long as they don't overuse it, like the lesser series have, then I actually like them. The ⓧ in the camera lens of the new TT video was pretty creative imho.

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 		Hell to the yes on series going back to the original mythos. And making up their own original elements, too: if everything's just a repeat it'll get predictable, and (you already know this) predictable things aren't half so scary.

I don't mind seeing static or coughing or the Operator symbol in non-MH series, but it makes me groan when those are the only elements we get and when they're thrown in as if they're still shocking, because it falls into that same trap of being predictable, painting-by-numbers. That was why it took me so long to get into TribeTwelve: before it picked up, all I could see was someone imitating elements of MH without thinking about why those elements existed.

Oh yeah, that "why" thing. I do like the why to be at least hinted at. That's not asking for the creepy stuff to be laid out and explained - but if characters are running around doing stuff and I don't have the darndest clue about their motivation, I get annoyed pretty quickly.

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