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[META] Remeber to Roleplay
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AngriBuddhist
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[META] Remeber to Roleplay

Edit: I moved this post here as I believe it merits it's own thread.


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It's high time we took sides in this battle



No, it's the time to work both sides.

Even some of the Crew members seem a little confused about this
so I will reiterate:

Ingame- We are a group of people trying to figure out what happened to ILB. In the process we have learned of Melissa, SP, the Apocolypso, and events in the future. We have taken it upon ourselves to pose as Melissa's Crew to retrieve more information from her.

Out of Game- We are a group of people losing our way. We are still
on Dana's side and nothing in a conversation or email has given us a
reason to choose one side or another. Any relationship that anyone has
with a ingame character should be a role-played one. You do not have
loyalty to Melissa, you pretend to. You do not choose SP, you pretend to.
Between us, THERE ARE NO SIDES.

As for the Crew, I doubt that they all received the same treatment
or information. Some have alluded to holding something back from us.
Melissa does not frequent these forums but it might be in everyone's
interest if they feel her out before letting their tongues fly. That's
regretable but understandable. I wouldn't want to jeapordize my standing
as a Crew member either.

And if this SP Army should be mobilized, remember, the goal is still the
same. Collect data in an effort to move this ARG along.

To All: The PM's frequent these forums but Melissa and SP do not.
This is a safe zone. These boards are totally [META] and any information
shared here is not considered an ingame event.

"There are no good guys or bad guys. It's just a bunch of guys."

PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:41 pm
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HitsHerMark
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Hmmm, for the most part, I agree. But I think we do have a side.

Ours.

As long as we don't loose site of that, I think we'll be golden.
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I agree with HitsHerMark: Our 'side' is surely that of humanity as a whole. But if we have to be 'loyal' to any one ILB personality to achieve that, I don't have a problem with it.

Actualy I am liking the idea that people will eventually be forced to pick sides.. since we have no hard evidence for the goals of any of ILB characters, there's bound to be a melissa/SP loyalty split and we will end up in conflict, since helping one entity would directly hinder another. Choose your allegiance! One one path leads to salvation, the other to destruction!

Probably just wishful thinking on the part of a part-time anarchist though.. Smile

And of course if we have to lead the Queen closer to Dana in order to distract her from revealing earth's co-ordinates, so be it. I never liked her much anyway Evil or Very Mad
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Oecumenix wrote:
I agree with HitsHerMark: Our 'side' is surely that of humanity as a whole. But if we have to be 'loyal' to any one ILB personality to achieve that, I don't have a problem with it.
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I think HHM meant "our" in the sense of "beekeepers," or the players of ILB. Twisted Evil
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Mazian wrote:

I think HHM meant "our" in the sense of "beekeepers," or the players of ILB. Twisted Evil


Yes, our puzzle solving needs come before the needs of the rest of humanity. Very Happy

I guess I kinda sorta ment both. Very Happy

Because we're already kind of fragmented, we just didn't put any importance on it before.

We've got the people who just answer phones, and the lurkers, and the people who email Dana or the Sleeping Princess, and we have the people who know a lot about the Halo milieu, and we have the people who hang out in IRC waiting for updates so stuff can be solved by the time everybody else gets up in the morning... And we have people who do other stuff, and people who are some combination therein.

But from the word "go", we've all been Beekeepers no matter what our role has been.

From an "In Game" perspective... Of course there's going to be at least SOME splitting.

1. Melissa may be an AI that is 'one of ours' in the future who is deserving of help... But, as I've said before, everybody here is lying to her and she believes in "shockingly excessive punishment"...

2. The SP is much more friendly, and plays games with us because she's figured out that it's what we like. But it's entirely possible that she some sort of spy program sent by aliens who would like nothing better then to wipe humanity from the galexey 500 years or so from now. If not sooner.

3. A number of us have convinced Melissa that we are members of her crew, when they are most certainly not... But what happens if one of the people contacted by Melissa really is a member of her crew?

In game: These are all issues we have to deal with.

But on the Meta side: We have to stick together because our combined efforts are our power. (Actually, that's a good reason to stick together in game as well.)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:07 am
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AngriBuddhist
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Oecumenix,

My point is still the same. Any choosing that is going on, should be done
with roleplaying in mind.

On Tuesday, we saw a few Crew members jump right into there
insider positions saying things like "Melissa's not too bad. She's kinda
nice." and other statements that portray themselves as loyal to her.

HitsHerMark has it right though, we are all lying to her and should
remember it. They are not her Crew, they are supposed to be only
acting like it.

On the other side of the fence, this SP army idea has people half joking
(and half not) about ways to interfere with the Crew.

All I'm saying is- We cannot allow a loss of focus to bog down the pace
of this game.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:58 pm
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AngriBuddhist wrote:

All I'm saying is- We cannot allow a loss of focus to bog down the pace
of this game.


Not to be whiney or anything, but I think it's the other way around. The already bogged down pace of the game is causing us to lose focus.

Really, I think people are just looking for something to do.

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I want to be more clear as well with a comment I made... I originated the idea of "disrupting communications" but I should have indicated I was joking. I thought it was obvious, but so many people took it seriously. If I scared anyone, please forgive. Smile

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I see nothing wrong with people actively interfering with the crew on behalf of SP. On the contrary, I think it's hilarious! I also think it has just as much a chance of advancing the plot.

That said, I'm not interested in being one of those people, I have no negative feelings toward folks who did as they were asked by Melissa, and I totally agree with those who remind all of us that we started this out in order to assist Dana and began by deceiving Melissa.

As of right now, I consider our primary role that of Discovery and assistance to Dana. That's what we came in with, and until something happens that changes those goals, that is what I am sticking to.
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Also, I'm still convinced that in the end it will be our fault for leading the covenant to earth through Melissa. That is all. Wink
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Yes, Halo2 will come out. The Covenant will attack. Nothing will change
that and it will most likely be our fault.

Oops, I'm helping to highjack my own thread!!

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AngriBuddhist wrote:
Oecumenix,

My point is still the same. Any choosing that is going on, should be done
with roleplaying in mind.

On Tuesday, we saw a few Crew members jump right into there
insider positions saying things like "Melissa's not too bad. She's kinda
nice." and other statements that portray themselves as loyal to her.

HitsHerMark has it right though, we are all lying to her and should
remember it. They are not her Crew, they are supposed to be only
acting like it.

On the other side of the fence, this SP army idea has people half joking
(and half not) about ways to interfere with the Crew.

All I'm saying is- We cannot allow a loss of focus to bog down the pace
of this game.


On the contrary.. as stated elsewhere I think it would be pretty cool to have people working against each other for a bit.. racing to solve puzzles or something.

I'm not saying that in Meta we're not all on the same side ultimately.. but Weephun already had to choose an in-game side, and it impacted Meta as well: he witheld information from the rest of us. He played it out to his great credit, then afterwards let us know what was going on, and we were mazed, but s'all cool in the end.

Now I'd like the chance for some Royal Guards to do the same!
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It's a game. *grins* We can pick sides all we like, so long as the puzzles get done. I mean... there's a plot that kinda HAS to be followed in some respects. They can't stall us forever until Halo 2 arrives, I don't think that's their style. So in game or out, who CARES whose side we pick? Dana's, Melissa's, or the Princess's... Even the Flea's. It'll shift the plot along one way or the other.

Having said that, we're all screwed if the Covenant arrive and glass this Earth because of us, but eh.

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Do you just not get what I am saying? What is it about role-playing that
you do not understand?

My initial post discussed both the Crew and an SP Army. Being
involved in those is fine either way. To each their own.

I am trying to get the point across that whatever role you are playing
does not negate the fact that we are lying to Melissa or sucking up to SP
in order to get information that will lead us to the end of this ARG.

Weephun did what he thought was right and honestly the PMs would have
tried and tried until they got someone to give up SP. He played the role
that they were trying to cast. Yet here in [META] land he is getting crap
for doing so.

In the end, there is no right or wrong decision if we make them with
our goals in mind. We need to play the situation to our
needs and not get wrapped up in being loyal to one side or another.

It could very well turn out that we will have to make a choice but I
believe that now isn't the time and it will take much more than one
person's actions.

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totally OT, I know, But what a fantastic movie reference AB
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