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 		I was checking this thread and upon seeing the new masked man on the twitter. I am not so concerned it's Tim in the image... It's J. The new masked man, anyway. There are now two. Hear me out for the rest of the post on this one. Beware, it's long-winded.

the s on Tim's shirt can be seen in the "advocate" reply. On tim's shirt it's sideways, though at 13 seconds in on advocate it can be seen inverted near the upper right of the guys head.

This could be simple wordplay (I'll get into this in a moment), meaning "Devil's advocate." Basically, it's for the sake of arguing that Tim is intervening as the Masked Man; he's doing this so he can argue for something he already knows the answer to, like warning J away from learning more though he knows J is too paranoid to avoid continuing.

Tim, I believe, IS the masked man. There is little question about it for me; he was at least effected. Reference to entry 20; whenever the camera is on tim, especially while ill, there is a very delicate audio distortion for tim and tim alone. While invading J's home, this distortion is much more severe, as if he can now control such a thing (or, since it's a much later date, he's more affected so the distortion is more severe). This can double as the concept that being so affected by the slender man has it's tolls, such as the idea of a video camera 'capturing the soul.' The distortion proves that slenderman's feeding (see below) effected him severely enough for it to show in such a way that 'could not be captured" by video. The masked man first makes himself truly known, and violently, as if to scare off J, after Tim is interviewed- as if Tim is saying "J knows... he has to stop learning more." Totheark's replies are earlier from what I know, but these may have served as verbal (or in some cases visual) warning.

Now, I have a few thoughts on the Slender Man. These will lead to why Tim is masking himself, and now why J is masked, and why both are currently so cryptic and suffer memory loss.

A) he sees through circles. These can be camera lenses; it would be why the slenderman can close in on those recording themselves, and how "Smile for the camera" can be interpreted as a warning- What's the first thing you do when you hear that phrase? Get in front of the camera, and smile for death. It would also explain how Alex inexplicably escaped for so long until his girlfriend grabbed the camera and started recording him. it would also explain why, with the theory of Tim being Masked Man, why he would even wear a mask; the slender man would not be able to identify him, and could only "steal the masks" soul, of which there wouldn't be- IE, it's kind of like armor. Furthermore, it is why Masked Man speaks so cryptically; he knows slenderman can see him, so he wears the mask, and speaks in such a way as to avoid the slenderman being able to understand while still communicating with others on the topic. also, see "the symbol" below for another point in this matter.

B) he feeds upon fear, as if it were quantifiable. Paranoia would make a great resource, which is why outright killing would be counter-productive. Trauma can result in the loss of memory; trauma is also a major fear- slendy could be a being that feeds on this sort of thing. The only way to rid oneself of trauma- something the slenderman wants for some reason- is to forget it. If you forget it, he needs to reinstill it. Again, counter-productive. Tim's interview states that he forgot things about alex, and if slenderman can get into your head he can certainly access your memories. What better way to protect people against something like that, than to forget them? This also intrudes upon one of the last entries in which J states "I haven't been thinking about it. I've been feeling a lot better as a result."

C) The symbol. The Symbol (a circle with an x through it) is like a blinder to slender man. It does not protect you completely, merely provides you with a "cloak." If he runs into you, or you scan a camera over it, he can see whatever it is that's protected. It can only be placed upon objects, and the encompassing area will be hidden; it's why the tape was in the tower with the symbol, as if to protect against the location of that tape for slenderman. It explains why we can see slenderman seeming frustrated with the portrait of that symbol which is in Admission ("It was here the whole time! DAMNIT!) and It would explain why the symbol is upon entry###### just before totheark speaks in very plain language, which is out of character for him. Slenderman can't see the tape, so Masked Man can talk cleanly without worry. It's also in the last entry after the world "HELP," As if to hide the cry for help from the slenderman. The new pictures, as well, hint to this; "Smile for the camera" has the symbol with x's over the lenses. (EDIT- I almost forgot. The phrase "at the tower" is behind the symbol on the back of a piece of paper in 19.5, which is what leads to the tower in the first place. IE-- the phrase was also hidden, but noted)

My theory is that upon arriving, J encountered Tim. Alex was nowhere to be found. Tim finally managed to get a point across to J, and now J understands that being on camera unmasked is dangerous. It would explain the lack of a video; slenderman could see it, and know where they are. The 23 slashes are protected, as well, as if to hide the number from slenderman- or maybe the image itself.

This probably went under the radar too- Masked Man leaves behind a mask for J to find in entry 18. J also re-enters the room -which is protected by the symbol- numerous times, paranormally so, as if to say "You can't leave until you do something." The mask wasn't the masked man's original; it was another. he was saying "Put this on before you leave the safe place, or it sees you." As we know, J didn't.


finally, this is just conjecture. An ark does NOT need to mean a "container" of something sacred. It can mean the scroll itself. Notice the gear used in the cameras; there are old school magnetic tapes that, when removed from the box, look an awful lot like a scroll when viewed from the side. in other words, there are more tapes to be found like the tower tape, or the tape in the tower was a lot more important than realized.


The last thought is this- if slenderman can steal "life" through those lenses. With his old mythos, it would explain why children in pictures dissappeared.

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MisterSkinny wrote:
I was checking this thread and upon seeing the new masked man on the twitter. I am not so concerned it's Tim in the image... It's J. The new masked man, anyway. There are now two. Hear me out for the rest of the post on this one. Beware, it's long-winded.


I don't think that we can be so certain, knowing that Totheark was able to hack Jay's youtube account in the past, though you do make some good points. If the current image depicts a wait until November 23rd, that follows suit with TTA's MO (for example, his oblique text message from April!) Unless Jay is working under the same structure as TTA and is mimicking him, I'm still thinking that TTA has hacked Jay's twitter and is using it as a springboard to reach Jay and perhaps us.

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the s on Tim's shirt can be seen in the "advocate" reply. On tim's shirt it's sideways, though at 13 seconds in on advocate it can be seen inverted near the upper right of the guys head.

This could be simple wordplay (I'll get into this in a moment), meaning "Devil's advocate." Basically, it's for the sake of arguing that Tim is intervening as the Masked Man; he's doing this so he can argue for something he already knows the answer to, like warning J away from learning more though he knows J is too paranoid to avoid continuing.


I'd agree with this -- most of TTA's messages have not been so much earnest and honest as surly and sarcastic and goading. 'Stay at home, be alone' --> Sure, try it. See what that gets you.

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Tim, I believe, IS the masked man. There is little question about it for me; he was at least effected. Reference to entry 20; whenever the camera is on tim, especially while ill, there is a very delicate audio distortion for tim and tim alone. While invading J's home, this distortion is much more severe, as if he can now control such a thing (or, since it's a much later date, he's more affected so the distortion is more severe). This can double as the concept that being so affected by the slender man has it's tolls, such as the idea of a video camera 'capturing the soul.' The distortion proves that slenderman's feeding (see below) effected him severely enough for it to show in such a way that 'could not be captured" by video. The masked man first makes himself truly known, and violently, as if to scare off J, after Tim is interviewed- as if Tim is saying "J knows... he has to stop learning more." Totheark's replies are earlier from what I know, but these may have served as verbal (or in some cases visual) warning.


Agreed about Tim being the masked man, of course. The distortion becoming more pronounced as a matter of time and affliction is interesting, as we do get hints that Jay is going down this road: in #24, for example, we don't necessarily see anybody, however we do hear that vague not-quite-music in the background, and stronger distortion just before he sleep-walks through the open door. Of course, with the way that he looks over his shoulder when he comes back, it could be that somebody else was there all along causing the major distortion... but that music could be indicative of Jay's affliction, where the buzzing was indicative of Tim's.

However, I think that the goal of Totheark to warn Jay seems counter to the way that certain videos are goading him back to the house and inevitably towards the Operator. Or into other dangerous situations, for example out to the tower to retrieve the tape. I suppose that the former could have been as a test: 'get back to the house, I'll fit you out with a mask and we'll do this thing' and Jay simply didn't understand; the tape at the tower, however, kept Jay on the trail (just as in #26) when otherwise he might have stopped and had a safer life! So I don't think that Totheark is necessarily trying to warn Jay, as he is trying to guide him (or just goad him); in #18 he wasn't ready for Jay to be there yet, and was probably pissed about his missing pills. The rest of the time he's just doing a lot of fucking around with him.

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Now, I have a few thoughts on the Slender Man. These will lead to why Tim is masking himself, and now why J is masked, and why both are currently so cryptic and suffer memory loss.

A) he sees through circles. These can be camera lenses; it would be why the slenderman can close in on those recording themselves, and how "Smile for the camera" can be interpreted as a warning- What's the first thing you do when you hear that phrase? Get in front of the camera, and smile for death. It would also explain how Alex inexplicably escaped for so long until his girlfriend grabbed the camera and started recording him. it would also explain why, with the theory of Tim being Masked Man, why he would even wear a mask; the slender man would not be able to identify him, and could only "steal the masks" soul, of which there wouldn't be- IE, it's kind of like armor. Furthermore, it is why Masked Man speaks so cryptically; he knows slenderman can see him, so he wears the mask, and speaks in such a way as to avoid the slenderman being able to understand while still communicating with others on the topic. also, see "the symbol" below for another point in this matter.


Seeing through the camera has been mostly agreed upon by the forumites, though circles in general do make sense. Some suggest that he can also travel through the use of cameras and electronics, or that it focuses his travel (for example, in the entry where Alex is running through the night, the Operator seems to move far more quickly than a person should be able to, except for when the camera is on him.) If not stealing their souls, the mask does seem to provide a barrier against recognition, which seems to be the main event of importance. I agree about the cryptic speech being used to lead the Operator off the scent, however we can't quite knew how intelligent the Operator is, or if he's able to learn over time. Given that the MO of TTA hasn't much changed, I'm guessing that the Operator is bamboozled simply by a shift to more cryptic language.

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B) he feeds upon fear, as if it were quantifiable. Paranoia would make a great resource, which is why outright killing would be counter-productive. Trauma can result in the loss of memory; trauma is also a major fear- slendy could be a being that feeds on this sort of thing. The only way to rid oneself of trauma- something the slenderman wants for some reason- is to forget it. If you forget it, he needs to reinstill it. Again, counter-productive. Tim's interview states that he forgot things about alex, and if slenderman can get into your head he can certainly access your memories. What better way to protect people against something like that, than to forget them? This also intrudes upon one of the last entries in which J states "I haven't been thinking about it. I've been feeling a lot better as a result."


Hmm, I'm not so sold on the Operator feeding on fear. It's just such a cliche for horror monsters, and seems kind of like a lame out of game excuse to keep the wheels moving on a plot. "He needs your fear so he scares you! Vlah ha ha haha!" Never the less, you may have a point. I think that much of the time when we see Jay or Alex having woken up and forgotten the last X amount of time (Alex in #22 mentions that he passed out or something and just happened to wake up back at the house with no memory of the event; Jay mentions roughly the same thing from his twitter a day or so after #23 as well as after #18, both incidents involving TTA in some shape or form.) It could be that either TTA has the ability to wipe people's memories, or those pills are really actually roofies that he's slipping people (and himself?) to make them forget so that the Operator loses track of them.

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C) The symbol. The Symbol (a circle with an x through it) is like a blinder to slender man. It does not protect you completely, merely provides you with a "cloak." If he runs into you, or you scan a camera over it, he can see whatever it is that's protected. It can only be placed upon objects, and the encompassing area will be hidden; it's why the tape was in the tower with the symbol, as if to protect against the location of that tape for slenderman. It explains why we can see slenderman seeming frustrated with the portrait of that symbol which is in Admission ("It was here the whole time! DAMNIT!) and It would explain why the symbol is upon entry###### just before totheark speaks in very plain language, which is out of character for him. Slenderman can't see the tape, so Masked Man can talk cleanly without worry. It's also in the last entry after the world "HELP," As if to hide the cry for help from the slenderman. The new pictures, as well, hint to this; "Smile for the camera" has the symbol with x's over the lenses. (EDIT- I almost forgot. The phrase "at the tower" is behind the symbol on the back of a piece of paper in 19.5, which is what leads to the tower in the first place. IE-- the phrase was also hidden, but noted)


I find this very interesting, and I'm not sure that it's been agreed upon before, which makes it doubly interesting! It would serve a definite purpose, as a talisman against the evil eye, as it were, than as a marker of 'here be Slendy'. And it puts into a new perspective each of the times that it shows up. What do you make of the recent image with the circle and the two 'x's, however?

MisterSkinny wrote:
My theory is that upon arriving, J encountered Tim. Alex was nowhere to be found. Tim finally managed to get a point across to J, and now J understands that being on camera unmasked is dangerous. It would explain the lack of a video; slenderman could see it, and know where they are. The 23 slashes are protected, as well, as if to hide the number from slenderman- or maybe the image itself.

This probably went under the radar too- Masked Man leaves behind a mask for J to find in entry 18. J also re-enters the room -which is protected by the symbol- numerous times, paranormally so, as if to say "You can't leave until you do something." The mask wasn't the masked man's original; it was another. he was saying "Put this on before you leave the safe place, or it sees you." As we know, J didn't.


That, combined with Jay's audio distortion in earlier videos, means that unless they're moving away from that direction or else they get a new person into the mix (Alex seemed strangely immune to staticky noise save for the voice garbling in the gazebo entry and #20, but that was not just him; Jay was always present when that occurred!) in any case, unless something changes from the expected, the entire series could be in cryptic Totheark fashion, which could be tricky. We'll have to wait and see, I think.


MisterSkinny wrote:
finally, this is just conjecture. An ark does NOT need to mean a "container" of something sacred. It can mean the scroll itself. Notice the gear used in the cameras; there are old school magnetic tapes that, when removed from the box, look an awful lot like a scroll when viewed from the side. in other words, there are more tapes to be found like the tower tape, or the tape in the tower was a lot more important than realized.


The last thought is this- if slenderman can steal "life" through those lenses. With his old mythos, it would explain why children in pictures dissappeared.


Some cameras don't use tape, however. Do we know for sure that Jay's camera did? Or that perhaps the ark are more of Alex's tape or at least is one very important tape amongst the haystack. I still think that TTA has access to more tapes than we have seen, and it's not that he is looking for more, though the ark == tapes would be thematically consistent.

Nice tie in, also, though it seems a little dissonant given that the video cameras are turned on people for much longer to less effect, where photo-snapping cameras are trained on a person for much shorter, to a much greater effect? Seems a bit strange.

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Random thought: In Regards, it says LOK CLOSELY, then the song. Being an ex-musician for 3 years the first thing that came to mind was musical notes. What if someone that played said instrument in the song was to sound out and make out which notes are being played?(A, B, Bb, C, C# and so forth)

Who knows, maybe it's another anagram for something~


I have some Vocaloid software, I might be able to mess around and figure it out.

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If Alex was ToTheArk, it would lead to inconsistencies with the prologue, Entry 13/Exit Video, and Entry 26. I've numbered the inconsistencies and then labeled the severity of the inconsistency in case you wish to make a counter argument.


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#1 Strong Inconsistency
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he just said he never wanted to work with the footage again. He was completely serious about this. I couldn't understand why he'd just want to get rid of it completely.


He should have gotten rid of all footage from Marble Hornets. ToTheArk had footage from Marble Hornets, meaning he was probably related to its production, but not Alex.

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He transferred to an out of state school soon after that and I haven't seen him since.


He moved out of state. ToTheArk was still in the area. It is doubtful Alex would move back.


It could be possible that there was footage kept separate from the bulk that Jay received that Alex did not know about, or forgot about -- memory loss is an important theme in this series. Alex could have, on seeing the various entries uploaded to youtube, have had a memory triggered which meant that he had access to footage that was kept behind. This makes more sense than Tim having somehow gotten access to all of the tapes.

In regards to Alex moving out of state, this is going on the assumption that Jay knows whereabouts Alex left to. Since most of the series revolves around Jay search for Alex, his assumptions are a shaky point to use as an argument. For all we know, in the last three years, Alex went to an out of state school, graduated, and came back.

Makdee wrote:

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The inconsistencies Between Entry 13 and the Exit Video are mainly due to timing.

#3 Strong
The cuts in Entry 13 can be explained by him trying to conserve the battery. This in conjunction with his behavior points to these events being early in the time line. Thus, Alex probably was not paranoid enough to back track and spy on Jay.

#4 Medium
Additionally, if Alex back tracked to film Jay it is doubtful he would have had enough time film Entry 13 as Jay was seen running back.

#5 Medium
You may say that it is likely that the events of Entry 13 were filmed before the Exit Video and that Alex back tracked after filming the events in Entry 13. Indeed, the fact that the beginning of the video shows him walking to the car would seem to support this hypothesis.

However, if you look at his hands you can see that he is trying to find the proper key to open the car door. There is a noticeable pause of him unlocking the car door to support this. Additionally, after finding the key he can be seen taking a few jogging steps towards the car. This along with him jogging back after getting the battery/camera supports the hypothesis that he jogged to get the extra battery/camera from the car and only slowing down as he approached the car to get the key out.

In order for Alex to have enough time to film Entry 13, he could not have back tracked Jay. Thus the Exit Video was filmed by a third party. This was probably ToTheArk as he has access to the footage.


The cuts can also be explained by slender-fuckery, in addition to saving the battery on the camera. It seems that by #13, Alex is definitely searching around for some kind of evidence. I disagree that he probably wouldn't follow Jay -- we see the beginnings of visual distortion at the place where the video cuts that match the same kind of visual distortion shown in 'Exit'. That says, to be, that both bit of film occur at the same time and are probably from the same person. The way that the filmer in 'Exit' runs to follow Jay suggests that the viewing was meant to be done in secret, like Alex was using the batteries being low as an excuse to see where Jay would go and what he would do.

The person approaching the car and getting the camera was Jay, not Alex. I'm not sure what your #5 Medium Point is trying to get across.

In any case, one trait that seems to play consistently throughout the series is some fuckery with distances; The Operator seems to move much more quickly than could be anticipated in #10. Jay goes through doors that do not lead to where they should (#23 and #24); the masked man appears without seeming to have to physically move (#19). If Alex filmed #13, his encounter with The Operator could have lead to some strange space distortion. Distance and timing are not a strong way to discount his ability to spy on his friend.

Makdee wrote:

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Inconsistencies with Entry 26:
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#6 Strong
When confronted by the girl about the camera in Entry 26 he seemed surprised. This further supports that he did not keep any footage of Marble Hornets. He apparently thought he got rid of the camera in addition to the footage. As stated in the prologue, he wanted nothing to do with that footage.

#7 Weak
The tone of the conversation with the girl hints at him living in that location with her for a while. Probably in the same state he moved to after the events in Marble Hornets. ToTheArk was obviously in the same area as Jay.


I feel that #26 is the strongest argument against Alex being TTA; we get to see that life seems normal for him... however, when the Operator does appear, Alex is awfully calm about it. One would think that, having dodged the Operator for three or four years, he would be either pissed or terrified to see him reappear. That could just mean that Alex knows for certain that cameras in use around him mean that the Operator isn't far behind, in which case, the way that he speaks with Amy suggests that he gets over that initial panic from the get-go and is in the 'dealing with it' stages when the Operator finally shows up.

However, it could be that Alex was covering up for himself and his erstwhile activities. Just because there are no cameras allowed in the house does not mean that he couldn't have gone out to make use of them on Jay. Perhaps his life with Amy is a cover for his more villainous activities...

Anyways, who knows. Some people think that Seth is TTA. Most people agree that the masked man is Tim, but when it comes down to TTA being the same as the masked man, and who TTA is if he isn't the same person, is really up in the air, still. The only solid evidence that we have to go on is that Jay seems to think that TTA and the masked man are the same person...

And as TTA has told the audience, we can't trust Jay: he's only human, after all.

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 		I never said that ToTheArk was Tim. Many assume Tim is such, but knowing the identity of ToTheArk means little at this juncture. It is enough to know he was related to the production Marble Hornets and not Alex at this point in time.

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It could be possible that there was footage kept separate from the bulk that Jay received that Alex did not know about, or forgot about -- memory loss is an important theme in this series. Alex could have, on seeing the various entries uploaded to youtube, have had a memory triggered which meant that he had access to footage that was kept behind. This makes more sense than Tim having somehow gotten access to all of the tapes.


There was footage kept separate from the bulk that Jay received. As can be seen from Entry 21 and 26. However, you assume Alex had all of the footage. Indeed, he may have had most of it, but it is possible that Seth, Brian, or Tim may have had some footage as well.

Also, Seth, Brian, and Tim may have had access to Alex's tapes for editing purposes.

ToTheArk showed that he had access to Jay's apartment and thus footage in Entry 19.

It should be noted that most of ToTheArk's footage is not from Marble Hornets; he only uses a few clips and some audio.

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In regards to Alex moving out of state, this is going on the assumption that Jay knows whereabouts Alex left to. Since most of the series revolves around Jay search for Alex, his assumptions are a shaky point to use as an argument. For all we know, in the last three years, Alex went to an out of state school, graduated, and came back.


Does Jay ever actually state that he is searching for Alex? I was under the impression that he started to review the tapes to find out why Alex got so freaked out and left the state. He made the assumption in Entry 18 that the masked man might be Alex, but that was really more of a guess.

Anyway, Entry 26 makes it unlikely that he moved back based upon Alex's explanation as to the existence of the camera. The explanation implies that it is from the move from the college town in which Marble Hornets was filmed to where ever they are now.

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The cuts can also be explained by slender-fuckery, in addition to saving the battery on the camera. It seems that by #13, Alex is definitely searching around for some kind of evidence. I disagree that he probably wouldn't follow Jay -- we see the beginnings of visual distortion at the place where the video cuts that match the same kind of visual distortion shown in 'Exit'.


I did a side by side comparison between the videos. If you are referring to the clip from 28-33 in the Entry 13 video, I'm pretty sure that is due to lighting and not a distortion. Either way, it most certainly does not match the distortion in the Exit video.

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That says, to be, that both bit of film occur at the same time and are probably from the same person. The way that the filmer in 'Exit' runs to follow Jay suggests that the viewing was meant to be done in secret, like Alex was using the batteries being low as an excuse to see where Jay would go and what he would do.


As I stated earlier, based on Alex's behavior, Entry 13 was probably early in the time line. This analysis is supported by the Wiki. Being early in the time line, Alex was not in a paranoid state of mind yet.

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The person approaching the car and getting the camera was Jay, not Alex. I'm not sure what your #5 Medium Point is trying to get across.


Sorry about the ambiguity. I know it was Jay, I was referring to the cameraman from the Exit Video back tracking ie following Jay back to the car.

The point of #5 was an attempt to preempt the argument that Alex filmed Entry 13 and then sprinted back to film Jay. #5 analyzed Jay's movements to support the hypothesis that he jogged to the car in addition to jogging back.

Alex shows no sign of being in a rush until after the audio distortion in Entry 13.

This supports the possibility of a timing conflict if Alex were to be the cameraman for the Exit Video.

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In any case, one trait that seems to play consistently throughout the series is some fuckery with distances; The Operator seems to move much more quickly than could be anticipated in #10. Jay goes through doors that do not lead to where they should (#23 and #24); the masked man appears without seeming to have to physically move (#19). If Alex filmed #13, his encounter with The Operator could have lead to some strange space distortion. Distance and timing are not a strong way to discount his ability to spy on his friend.


The operator is not a good entity to argue the point about timing. It can be assumed he follows a different set of laws.

In Entry 19, the movements of the masked figure are not consistent with the space-time distortions presented in Entry 23 and 24 or any video distortions previously or since caused by the operator. Thus it was likely due to some editing by the masked figure. The masked figure had ample time considering how often Jay checked the footage.

Entries 23 and 24 are good examples to use for your arguement. However, in both Entry 23 and 24 a door was used as a portal to a different location.

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I feel that #26 is the strongest argument against Alex being TTA; we get to see that life seems normal for him... however, when the Operator does appear, Alex is awfully calm about it. One would think that, having dodged the Operator for three or four years, he would be either pissed or terrified to see him reappear. That could just mean that Alex knows for certain that cameras in use around him mean that the Operator isn't far behind, in which case, the way that he speaks with Amy suggests that he gets over that initial panic from the get-go and is in the 'dealing with it' stages when the Operator finally shows up.

It is kind of hard to tell how he was dealing with it over the screams of Amy.

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 		So what does this have to do with hidden TTA info?

I personally think Masky is Masky. The Hoodie's weird, but could exist for a variety of reasons i.g. Tim shaved his sideburns/got a haircut OOG and they didn't want Masky to look totally different for the debut of season 2 or something.
Plus as mentioned, TTA and account hacking go hand in hand.

I'm also holding judgement till the 23rd. Two more days!!

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As much as they use the term, 'the ark' with apparent impunity, we don't see much about the bible otherwise. Or at least, I haven't seen many conclusions drawn that were pulled from it. Anyways, 25-1-13-1...


Not that it really matters information wise so much as character depth, I suppose, is that if 25-1-13-1 truly stands for the biblical quote, the Ten Virgins, it can be applied to TTA/Timasky reasoning. In the parable it describes five wise virgins who came prepared to enter the gates of heaven and five foolish virgins who came ill-prepared. The five wise ones, of course, got to enter into the kingdom of heaven whereas the five fools didn't. In a slightly vague sense, this can be said that 'those prepared will be safe[from the Operator], and allowed into the ark[safety]'. Although this isn't very relevant, I must reiterate, it does add more sense to the totheark moniker Timasky uses.


Also... while I'm fairly certain everyone believes Tim=Masky, or takes that view into account, has anyone noticed that the pills Masky has at the house and the ones Tim used at the house are the same? Probably yes, just wanted to throw that into here to introduce my new view...

I believe that most of the missed connections from TTA's videos are connections between Tim/Masky, Alex, and J with the Operator and/or the interconnecting video entries that Alex originally taped. Obviously that practically encompasses everything you've all been doing >> but it's nice to have a slightly simplified view to help reduce vagueness in times of immense vagueness, such as this x)

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 		DandA, it was the nearest TTA-based thread on this page that had some amount of antiquity, and I didn't want to be posting in a new thread. Besides, I had dropped the original 'Lol, Alex is TTA!' post as a bait for trolls but got taken up by someone who actually wants to bash that idea properly, so I figured I might as well move it somewhere that wasn't going to get merged into something else. I was digging around and couldn't find a more appropriate TTA thread, though I'm sure there's one back there that I had missed (again with the too-many-threads thing. 9_9)

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There was footage kept separate from the bulk that Jay received. As can be seen from Entry 21 and 26. However, you assume Alex had all of the footage. Indeed, he may have had most of it, but it is possible that Seth, Brian, or Tim may have had some footage as well.

Also, Seth, Brian, and Tim may have had access to Alex's tapes for editing purposes.

ToTheArk showed that he had access to Jay's apartment and thus footage in Entry 19.

It should be noted that most of ToTheArk's footage is not from Marble Hornets; he only uses a few clips and some audio.


Yep, actually, I'm not going to argue any of that with you! The only thing that I tsk over is, if you're going to include Brian, include Sarah, too. (Not that I think she's really culpable, either, but don't go discounting her!)

While most of TTA's footage is not MH-related, it does seem like he's got some pretty crucial stuff on film. Actually, that'd make me think more that he's Seth or else a conglomerate, given that Seth was the only other one around for #22 (then again, Alex woke up 'in the house' and Seth was gone... so it could be more that Alex hid that tape away somewhere and TTA stumbled over it later. Maybe it was the entire camera, which was the same one used for #26's tape? Seems like it'd fit into the continuity pretty well.)

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Does Jay ever actually state that he is searching for Alex? I was under the impression that he started to review the tapes to find out why Alex got so freaked out and left the state. He made the assumption in Entry 18 that the masked man might be Alex, but that was really more of a guess.

Anyway, Entry 26 makes it unlikely that he moved back based upon Alex's explanation as to the existence of the camera. The explanation implies that it is from the move from the college town in which Marble Hornets was filmed to where ever they are now.


I think I just need to watch #26 again; I've forgotten many of the details -- but yeah, I'll give you that. It really did seem like they were aiming for a brand new place, and having a new house seems to help with that.

On rewatching Exit/13, yeah, you're right. I could have sworn that they were very similar -- weird!

I don't think that you should use the wiki to back up evidence; that's mostly conjecture so far as I know. I can see why it'd seem to be early on; seemed like Jay was the one helping out with the location scouting and the like, and the random shots seem like they'd have to do with a guy who wanted to catch some scenes that he thought might be promising, I guess? (Though it seems like he got sidetracked fairly early on with the Operator symbol!)

And, yeah, in #26 the camera is pretty erratic so you don't get to see much of Alex after the Operator shows up, though from what we hear he's pretty damned calm. It could just be that, placing his behavior next to Amy's panic, he seems more calm than normal, but whether he's had his mind swept of the memories of being stalked by the Operator or not, you'd think he'd show some more fear, I guess? Again, all assumptions.

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 		Well, I decided to re-watch a few videos, (17 and 20). I noticed 3 things. I'm sure someone has already brought these points up, but it won't hurt to reiterate it for the newbies.

1)Both Jay and Tim complained about being cold and are wearing warmer clothes than the others in the scenes.

2)Brian is stated to be absent from both scenes (at the store in the 17, and "somewhere" in 20).

3)The house from 16, 18, and 23 is Brian's house.

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 		Ha ha ha, Brian was the first Masky, then passed it on to Tim and possibly Jay. PLOT TWIST REVEALED!

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 		A bit of useless, in my opinion, input, but there's no evidence to suggest the camera operator in Entry 13 even WAS Alex. If Jay went back to the car to get a camera, as opposed to a battery, Entry 13 may have been filmed by Jay separate from Alex. Which would explain Jay's memory loss; He ran into Slendy, and that's why he doesn't remember that event happening.

But that's just baseless conjecture.

And, since this thread is about TTA connections, I once asked him a rather silly question, which he felt obligated to respond to. So,

I asked:
"About J
Since J is a human, he cannot be trusted, correct?

Then, are you human?

Can you be trusted?"

[this is in reference to something on the wiki I had seen, where someone asked if Jay could be trusted. totheark had said to this person, "human, so no."]

His response to me?

"no one"

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There was footage kept separate from the bulk that Jay received. As can be seen from Entry 21 and 26. However, you assume Alex had all of the footage. Indeed, he may have had most of it, but it is possible that Seth, Brian, or Tim may have had some footage as well.

Also, Seth, Brian, and Tim may have had access to Alex's tapes for editing purposes.

ToTheArk showed that he had access to Jay's apartment and thus footage in Entry 19.

It should be noted that most of ToTheArk's footage is not from Marble Hornets; he only uses a few clips and some audio.

As someone who is familiar with the filmmaking process and has made films of his own, I find it incredibly unlikely that anyone but Alex had access to the tapes back when everything was normal. Professional filmmakers either edit their own films or use the same editor on every project (IE; someone who can understand the vision and the specific intent of that director.)

For something as small as Marble Hornets was supposed to be, the only people any self-respecting filmmaking would let edit together footage would be Alex and his co-writer. Especially since this was supposed to be a film for his school, if I remember correctly?


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Does Jay ever actually state that he is searching for Alex? I was under the impression that he started to review the tapes to find out why Alex got so freaked out and left the state. He made the assumption in Entry 18 that the masked man might be Alex, but that was really more of a guess.

I thought it was Jay uploading the videos to make a record of them, probably so he could get rid of the physical tapes himself. Then he found all the weird goings on and got dragged in.


Anyways, for the time being, I'm entirely anti-Tim=TTA. I hate how the entire fanbase has just written off any future speculation on the TTA element of Marble Hornets because "SIDEBURNS = MYSTERY SOLVED." and responds to any other theories like Alex=TTA as being stupid.

There's as much evidence for Roofus, Alex's Dog, to be TTA as Tim. Infact, can someone prove that Roofus isn't TTA for me?

Roofus has been seen acting really strange. And he hasn't been seen since all the weird events have started happening. Since his master IS a filmmaker, who's to say that he hasn't observing Alex since Day One from the pound, waiting for his chance?

Can someone summarize the Tim=TTA theory without mentioning hair? I'd imagine it'll be a very short summary without it.

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TokyoVigilanteX wrote:

Can someone summarize the Tim=TTA theory without mentioning hair? I'd imagine it'll be a very short summary without it.


Do you mean the Tim=TTA or the Tim=Masky theory? As we aren't even 100% that Masky=TTA.

Anyway, assuming TTA=Masky - theres quite a lot of evidence that Tim=TTA/Masky.
The sort of orange/brown jacket Tim is seen wearing in a number of Entries seems to match the one shown on Masky when we see him (this is particularly evident when hes in Jay's room).
Similarly, Tim is seen taking pills in one of the Entries - very similar to the ones found in Alex's house when (we assume) Masky has been living there.
Tim also never appears in a TTA video, its a little one cus theres lots of characters dont. But it helps us rule out certain characters (mainly Jay).
Also, assuming the mask can work as a protection against the Operator then it would be something someone would wear if they were under his effects. Tim is seen coughing in a number of Entries, he takes pills etc - it would make sense if he found a way to protect himself then he would use it.

Oh yeah, and the sideburns of course.
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