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TokyoVigilanteX
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Do you mean the Tim=TTA or the Tim=Masky theory? As we aren't even 100% that Masky=TTA.

Oh yeah, and this. Assuming that TTA/Masky are different seems like a stretch. What's the evidence that TTA and Masky are different? This seems like a theory that was concocted when everyone was hyper-analyzing everything and looking for evidence where there was none and it's caught on for some reason.

-They both showed up at roughly the same time.

-They apparently have access to the same footage.

Splitting them up seems unnecessarily complicated, because now you're dealing with the motivations of two separate parties. If TTA isn't Masky, then TTA has no physical presence (and therefore, dubious relevance to the story other then to provide us with 'mini-games' to keep us company) and without the depth that TTA provides Masky, then Masky is just some asshole in a mask breaking into peoples houses.

and Entry #### blows a hole in the separation theory.

Until there's a concrete divide between TTA and Masky, it's pointless to assume they're separate.

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The sort of orange/brown jacket Tim is seen wearing in a number of Entries seems to match the one shown on Masky when we see him (this is particularly evident when hes in Jay's room).

Much like the confusion surrounding the houses that people had previously, the jacket that TTA appears to be a relatively common army jacket of some sort. Until someone can point out a bits of damage, or a patch sewn on that both jackets share, then it's not really a solid basis for the Tim=TTA theory.

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Similarly, Tim is seen taking pills in one of the Entries - very similar to the ones found in Alex's house when (we assume) Masky has been living there.

This is the only bit of evidence that really provides the Tim=TTA theory with any credit. It's a solid thread of evidence that's hard to dispute.

However, with only the Pills, it just makes Tim=TTA as valid as Alex=TTA and not any better of a theory, IMO.

With Season 2 starting, I think it's time for people to start looking back on their previous assumptions and explanations and really scrutinize them to see if they still hold up. I think people have been hanging onto some of the assumptions because they just caught on and mass analysis and speculation just moved on.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:04 pm

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Another bit of evidence, which isn't often raised. It's a bit more circumstantial than the others, but it might suggest why Masky appeared when he did:

Jay makes contact with Tim and interviews him in Entry 15. What happens pretty much immediately afterwards? Jay gets an anonymous note directing him to the house, which he explores for the first time in Entry 16. During his exploration, remember, he had a coughing fit - the one which was recorded by somebody, and posted by TTA as "Addition."

Presumably, whoever recorded him was either TTA himself or Masky; we know Masky is closely associated with the house because he put in an appearance both the other times Jay visited it. But as you say, TokyoVigilante, most of the theories concerning TTA and Masky being separate seem tenuous. Either way, what is significant about "Addition"?

Addition is the first time we see TTA posting material from Jay's current investigation.

All of the previous TTA videos, without exception, consist of lost footage or sound from the original Marble Hornets shoot, or material secretly recorded during the MH shoot by a third party (probably TTA), or random crap TTA edited together.

What does this tell us?

Firstly, it tells us that TTA (or someone working with him, but Occam's Razor would suggest TTA himself) knew that Jay would be at the house. That's the only way he (or his accomplice) could be in place to film Jay's coughing fit. Most likely, TTA knew Jay would be there because he gave Jay the anonymous tip-off in the first place. After all, in subsequent videos he would encourage Jay to go back to the house and open those unopened doors, Jay exploring the house is clearly something he wants to happen.

Now, why would TTA pick that time, of all times, to give the note to Jay? After all, he'd been interested in his investigation for a while. Why intervene then?

Well, considering all the other circumstantial and not-so-circumstantial evidence that Tim is TTA (SIDEBURNS DAMMIT SIDEBURNS), there's one possibility which really jumps out, and would explain why TTA provided the tip-off at that precise moment:

Because until Jay tracked Tim/TTA down and talked to him, TTA didn't know where Jay was. Only when Jay exposed himself to Tim did Tim/TTA have an opportunity to find Jay's whereabouts and get the note to him. All contact before that was basically teasing; perhaps TTA was hoping Jay would rise to the bait and say "OK, you clearly know something, let's arrange a meet", perhaps he was throwing stuff out like "WHEREIS THEARK" to see how much Jay remembered, perhaps he was just hoping Jay would get spooked and let something slip - whatever, doesn't matter, because when Jay contacted Tim he gave TTA a far more direct and obvious way to get to Jay - lure him to the house and Slendersodomise him.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:52 pm

TokyoVigilanteX
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awakeasaurusrex wrote:

Jay makes contact with Tim and interviews him in Entry 15. What happens pretty much immediately afterwards? Jay gets an anonymous note directing him to the house, which he explores for the first time in Entry 16. During his exploration, remember, he had a coughing fit - the one which was recorded by somebody, and posted by TTA as "Addition."

Presumably, whoever recorded him was either TTA himself or Masky; we know Masky is closely associated with the house because he put in an appearance both the other times Jay visited it. But as you say, TokyoVigilante, most of the theories concerning TTA and Masky being separate seem tenuous. Either way, what is significant about "Addition"?

Addition is the first time we see TTA posting material from Jay's current investigation.

All of the previous TTA videos, without exception, consist of lost footage or sound from the original Marble Hornets shoot, or material secretly recorded during the MH shoot by a third party (probably TTA), or random crap TTA edited together.

What does this tell us?

Firstly, it tells us that TTA (or someone working with him, but Occam's Razor would suggest TTA himself) knew that Jay would be at the house. That's the only way he (or his accomplice) could be in place to film Jay's coughing fit. Most likely, TTA knew Jay would be there because he gave Jay the anonymous tip-off in the first place. After all, in subsequent videos he would encourage Jay to go back to the house and open those unopened doors, Jay exploring the house is clearly something he wants to happen.

Now, why would TTA pick that time, of all times, to give the note to Jay? After all, he'd been interested in his investigation for a while. Why intervene then?

Well, considering all the other circumstantial and not-so-circumstantial evidence that Tim is TTA (SIDEBURNS DAMMIT SIDEBURNS), there's one possibility which really jumps out, and would explain why TTA provided the tip-off at that precise moment:

Because until Jay tracked Tim/TTA down and talked to him, TTA didn't know where Jay was. Only when Jay exposed himself to Tim did Tim/TTA have an opportunity to find Jay's whereabouts and get the note to him. All contact before that was basically teasing; perhaps TTA was hoping Jay would rise to the bait and say "OK, you clearly know something, let's arrange a meet", perhaps he was throwing stuff out like "WHEREIS THEARK" to see how much Jay remembered, perhaps he was just hoping Jay would get spooked and let something slip - whatever, doesn't matter, because when Jay contacted Tim he gave TTA a far more direct and obvious way to get to Jay - lure him to the house and Slendersodomise him.

That works, except the abandoned house looks noticeably lived in. It doesn't look like TTA intercepted Jay, it looks like Jay stumbled on TTA's hiding spot; and since Jay is about as quiet as a tractor, was able to avoid him and stay in the shadows easily.

If TTA has any interest in Alex and the Operator, then holding up and looking around Alex's old house seems like a natural course of action. If TTA is conducting his own investigation, I'd imagine he'd want Jay's tapes, or at least encourage him to keep posting and looking for evidence (hence his attack, perhaps?).

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:12 pm

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TokyoVigilanteX wrote:

But even if the house is TTA's home, who told Jay if not TTA himself? It's clear from TTA's later messages that he wanted Jay to go back to the house and finish the job of exploring the place. If he didn't want Jay there he wouldn't have done that, and he wouldn't have tipped his hand by posting the footage of Jay's coughing fit either. Given that everything points to TTA wanting Jay to come to the house, there's no reason why he wouldn't have been responsible for the note too.

The problem with the house being Alex's place is that Entry 26 was recorded on April 4th 2010 - check the date stamp in the top right - and then sent to Jay. For the timeline to work Alex would have had to vacate the house, TTA would have had to move in (and live like a complete pig), then Alex would have had to come back and clean the place up again, TTA having left. Doesn't seem very logical to me.

They could, however, be houses built according to the same plans; a lot of times in suburban housing developments they'll build a bunch of houses to identical plans like that. (I had a friend once who had a drug addict come to their house in the middle of the night because they confused their place for the crack den two streets over - understandable, because the buildings on the streets looked just about identical.)

It would be very logical for TTA to set up shop somewhere very close to Alex to keep an eye on him.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:24 pm

TokyoVigilanteX
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awakeasaurusrex wrote:

He may have been trying to lure Jay out and encourage him to dig further into Alex's tapes and by continuing his investigation (and therefore posting more of Alex's footage) TTA could have more access to more footage.

Jay never really explained where he stores the tapes, or even if he keeps them in his own house. Hence, why TTA never got them whenever he breaks in.

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The problem with the house being Alex's place is that Entry 26 was recorded on April 4th 2010 - check the date stamp in the top right - and then sent to Jay. For the timeline to work Alex would have had to vacate the house, TTA would have had to move in (and live like a complete pig), then Alex would have had to come back and clean the place up again, TTA having left. Doesn't seem very logical to me.

I thought the house in Entry 26 was Alex's NEW house? The house from entry 16 was Alex's OLD house; where he lived while filming Marble Hornets, so the natural spot for TTA to set up shop for his own investigation.

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They could, however, be houses built according to the same plans; a lot of times in suburban housing developments they'll build a bunch of houses to identical plans like that.

indeedly, I think that caused some confusion early on. Especially when Jay/Operator were in that hallway with a working light (but Alex's house has the electricity cut-off).

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It would be very logical for TTA to set up shop somewhere very close to Alex to keep an eye on him.

Maybe TTA has been living in Alex's house, even during the filming of Marble Hornets and just took over after Alex left? O.o

That theory is aided by that enigmatic video of someone recording Jay from the bushes in that one TTA response video.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:44 pm

JKatkina
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TokyoVigilanteX, what's your argument for Alex BEING TTA/Masky? And how do you explain him then having a life, and a girlfriend, far enough away that Jay feels the need to go on a road trip in search of the return address?

Also, I feel the need to point out another piece of evidence for Tim being Masky (and I agree that it makes the most sense for Masky to also be TTA): the distortion, faint and delicate though it is, as the camera passes over Tim in Entry #20, and then earlier, the camera freezing on him in Entry #17 (though this one may simply be because the Operator's RIGHT FUCKING THERE outside). It's very distinctly Tim-localized. Later, we get Masky having more severe distortion effects on footage clearly shown. There's a continuity there, and it would be weird for them to put in such a distinct moment of early-distortion on Tim without intending to suggest that he's even more camera-distorty later.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:52 pm

SticktheFigure
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Rufus can't be Masky because he is a dog! Dogs and humans have quite different body shapes. Captain Obvious, Away!!!!

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:37 pm

TokyoVigilanteX
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JKatkina wrote:

I should clarify, I don't actually buy into Alex being TTA either. I only hate on the Tim=TTA theory because it seems that everyone has ceased any real speculation because of his appearance. Which I don't buy into, either.

I also won't be mad if it does turn out to be Tim (as long as we get good explanation, of course), but at this point in the story, is really appropriate to be using the phrase Tim/TTA?

I could see Tim PLAYING TTA out of game, maybe he was the only one they trusted to tackle Jay safely, or he was the only one available/up for shooting at night in a run down house, or maybe he was really interested in the part. But I don't buy that they would let probably the most interesting part of the entire Marble Hornets mythos (for me anyways) get figured out because they couldn't convince him to get a haircut.

Comparing TTAs appearance from Entry #16 and his close-up from Entry ####, it looks like two different people. The mask seems smaller (you can see edges of face in Entry #16, while in #### it pretty thoroughly covers the whole face).

I don't think necessarily means multiple Masky's, it could just mean that different actors playing the same part based on who's available. All I think it means is that appearance's aren't a good basis for a masked character.

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Also, I feel the need to point out another piece of evidence for Tim being Masky (and I agree that it makes the most sense for Masky to also be TTA): the distortion, faint and delicate though it is, as the camera passes over Tim in Entry #20, and then earlier, the camera freezing on him in Entry #17 (though this one may simply be because the Operator's RIGHT FUCKING THERE outside). It's very distinctly Tim-localized. Later, we get Masky having more severe distortion effects on footage clearly shown. There's a continuity there, and it would be weird for them to put in such a distinct moment of early-distortion on Tim without intending to suggest that he's even more camera-distorty later.

You could mark that as the camera getting worn down (The distortion did eventually destroy a camera). However, why wasn't there any distortion in the Interview entry with Tim? He was all but sitting on the camera and no distortion (as far as I can remember).

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Rufus can't be Masky because he is a dog! Dogs and humans have quite different body shapes. Captain Obvious, Away!!!!

It's hidden under his man-clothes. Duh. And did you see the way TTA started running on all fours when he charged at Jay in the house?

The evidence keeps staking up.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:56 pm

JKatkina
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TokyoVigilanteX wrote:

....but at this point in the story, is really appropriate to be using the phrase Tim/TTA?

Yes, it is.

Of everything that we've speculated about in the entire series, of everything we've been given any evidence for, Tim == Masky is the clearest and the most persistent. They give us about a million things to suggest it's him, and while taken individually some of them are circumstantial, put all together, all that evidence paints a very clear picture. For a Marble Hornets mystery, in the world of a series that basically never gives us answers to anything, the fact that Tim is Masky is practically handed to us on a friggin' platter.

You want us to keep speculating that it could be other people... why exactly? Obviously not because you have any sort of reason to think it's anyone else. Hating on the theory just because 90% of us agree that it is true is ridiculous, and honestly, intellectually lazy.

...also, the dog's name was not Rufus. It was Rocky.

**eta** Also, I don't buy the idea that Tim played TTA simply because they were too lazy to find another actor. I mean christ, give the guys some credit. o_O

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:07 pm

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Tokyo wrote:

What? TTA shows up in #9, Masky doesn't show up until #18.

Tokyo wrote:

Splitting them up seems unnecessarily complicated, because now you're dealing with the motivations of two separate parties. If TTA isn't Masky, then TTA has no physical presence (and therefore, dubious relevance to the story other then to provide us with 'mini-games' to keep us company) and without the depth that TTA provides Masky, then Masky is just some asshole in a mask breaking into peoples houses.

and Entry #### blows a hole in the separation theory.

Until there's a concrete divide between TTA and Masky, it's pointless to assume they're separate.

Hence why TTA could possibly be another member of the cast; and there's nothing saying that their motivations are separate.

Entry ###### shows the speaker using both 'I' and 'we', which of course could apply to TTA + Operator, but could also apply to TTA + Masky + ???.

Aren't you the one who's bitching about how we're stone-walling the debate about who TTA is? Why get pissed that we have decided, some of us, that TTA is Tim, and that we're leaving TTA/Masky == same/same (but different?) open? Either you want us to keep things open, or you don't. Don't toot your trumpet about your pet theories.

Also, Roofus == Rocky.

I'm actually of the opinion that TTA and Masky are the same person, as well, but I don't like that you're bitch-slapping folk for making assumptions in one place and then one post later you bitch-slap us for NOT making assumptions.

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There's one guy wearing the same jacket from Tim to Masky. Why would they bring in multiples of the same jacket? True, it's not like 100% likely that the jacket on two different people means OMG STOP DEBATING NAOW, but I'm assuming that they don't have a closet full of these things to give to various characters. You're debating that TTA and Masky have to be the same person without a lot of solid evidence; why can't this stand in as a piece of good evidence for Masky/Tim?

Note that Tim is always guzzling water when we see him. There are water bottle leavings in the closet and a big crate used to store water bottles in the upstairs room in the house in #23.

Tokyo wrote:

With Season 2 starting, I think it's time for people to start looking back on their previous assumptions and explanations and really scrutinize them to see if they still hold up. I think people have been hanging onto some of the assumptions because they just caught on and mass analysis and speculation just moved on.

No kidding, you think?

Other people are spotting better evidence than I just have, but there you go. A schwack of points to indicate the reasons why we are thinking what we do.

awakeasaurusrex wrote:

Awesome stuff

Thanks for being more coherent than I currently am. Very Happy

Tokyo wrote:

That works, except the abandoned house looks noticeably lived in.

awake wrote:

Story behind the house that Jay explores, insofar as I have been led to believe:

Alex was living in his own place for a while. The Operator began to stock him. Shit went down, Alex moved into Brian's house. Alex began to go crazy, the Operator began to stalk him in Brian's house. Alex ran away.

TTA found Brian's house a complete mess, left in the state that Alex had left it (ripped up magazines as seen in #3, blood potentially from the wound seen in #14, etc.) TTA moved in. TTA may even have begun to tidy up (lack of blood in #18, upstairs has had the red piece of furniture -- a tool kit, maybe? -- removed for easier access to all of the doors, even if the rooms still look like shite.)

Jay gets a tip to Brian's house and investigates. TTA films his first arrival, discovers that Jay has taken his pills, and flips out.

TTA stalks Jay back to his place, gets his pills back, starts playing hardball by luring Jay back to the house not once, but twice, and pretty much stomping his brains in both cases.

(Not taking into account the ohnoes assumptions that Tim is TTA here, but remember that in his interview with Jay, Tim mentions that he lives nearby Brian. Plenty of reason for him to have set up shop nearby without necessarily having to live in Brian's house 24/7.)

Tokyo wrote:

Hence, why TTA never got them whenever he breaks in.

What? Dude, how do you even know this. What is your evidence for this. I don't even asdfasdfasdfasdg

JKatkina wrote:

There's a continuity there, and it would be weird for them to put in such a distinct moment of early-distortion on Tim without intending to suggest that he's even more camera-distorty later.

Another point that I think we'd all absorbed and forgotten about by now, but thank you for bringing it back up!

Tokyo wrote:

I only hate on the Tim=TTA theory because it seems that everyone has ceased any real speculation because of his appearance. Which I don't buy into, either.

Dude, if we kept discussing this we would be trouting a trouting of a trouting. If you are pissed off, go back through the earlier threads and read about how we came to our conclusions. If you're mad that we're not speculating any more, then you're just being a lazy goddamn newbie who can't be bothered to search things out for himself.

Tokyo wrote:

I also won't be mad if it does turn out to be Tim (as long as we get good explanation, of course), but at this point in the story, is really appropriate to be using the phrase Tim/TTA?

Yes. If only because it's as appropriate as Masky, the Masked Man, Timmasky, etc. etc. etc. Or noting the being as Slender Man vs. The Operator. Some are more accurate than others, though there is an understanding that we understand what the poster is talking about. If it turns out that the character who is filling the roll of TTA is not Tim, then we will adjust our vocabulary as necessary. Chill out, broskie.

Tokyo wrote:

I could see Tim PLAYING TTA out of game, maybe he was the only one they trusted to tackle Jay safely, or he was the only one available/up for shooting at night in a run down house, or maybe he was really interested in the part. But I don't buy that they would let probably the most interesting part of the entire Marble Hornets mythos (for me anyways) get figured out because they couldn't convince him to get a haircut.

WHAT?

OOG, Why would Troy leave not-quite-subtle hints about Tim being an IG character of importance if he was trying to avoid connections? In the TTA response 'Messages' there is a FACE OF TIM overlaid towards the end after TTA says 'you have been keeping secrets'. PRETTY SURE that's not an accident.

Tokyo wrote:

Comparing TTAs appearance from Entry #16 and his close-up from Entry ####, it looks like two different people. The mask seems smaller (you can see edges of face in Entry #16, while in #### it pretty thoroughly covers the whole face).

###### is using various forms of distortion. You might as well say that there are about five different masks from #16 to ###### (and don't forget 'Warning', because one mask looks more tall and narrow and the other one looks more squat and wide!) The blurring in ###### obscures the face that we see in #16.

Tokyo wrote:

However, why wasn't there any distortion in the Interview entry with Tim?

Thank you for finally posing a valid question, TokyoVigilante, even if it was posed many times beforehand. Why wasn't there distortion in this case? It seems that whenever we see Tim in earlier videos, ones taken three years prior, he has a faint overlay of either blurring or staticky noise. TTA definitely seems to cause this behavior when he shows up, as well! Tim didn't seem to cause any distortion in #9 when he first shows up, and it seems clear that Alex at this point is getting pretty freaked out, whereas the tapes that we see in #17 and #20, it seems as though these events happen around June which definitely seems like it would be earlier, chronologically speaking.

It could be that Tim either has some control, or at these points (in #9 and in #15, never mind that they're three years separated) in filming, he simply wasn't under the same effects that caused him to pop and fizz as in other videos.

However... that's all I've got on that one. It could be a whoops-up or an indication that your theory that TTA is ANYONE but Tim could be more sound than we're making it out to be.

JKatkina wrote:

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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 4:23 pm

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JKatkina wrote:

They give us about a million things to suggest it's him, and while taken individually some of them are circumstantial, put all together, all that evidence paints a very clear picture. For a Marble Hornets mystery, in the world of a series that basically never gives us answers to anything, the fact that Tim is Masky is practically handed to us on a friggin' platter.

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You want us to keep speculating that it could be other people... why exactly?

Not necessarily speculate, but treating it as "mystery solved" is silly. Like I said, I can cite as much evidence for Alex's Dog as you can for Tim, and I'm sure there are some people who can formulate a solid, albeit semi-far fetched, theory for Alex. What makes those any less valid then the Tim one? People like it for the reasons I've mentioned above, not necessarily because it makes any more sense.

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Hating on the theory just because 90% of us agree that it is true is ridiculous, and honestly, intellectually lazy.

And buying into a possible series of red herrings and scoffing at any alternative speculation isn't? Let's not get hypocritical here.

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**eta** Also, I don't buy the idea that Tim played TTA simply because they were too lazy to find another actor. I mean christ, give the guys some credit. o_O

I don't think it's a sign of laziness. If someone told me "We need you to hang-out in an abandoned house and tackle that skinny guy over there. Also, if you miss your que we have to do it over again, also don't let him see you, also don't break our camera" I probably wouldn't jump at the opportunity.

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What? TTA shows up in #9, Masky doesn't show up until #18.

Blarg. My bad.

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My problem with TTA/Masky being different, even if they have the same goals and motivation, is that it substantially weakens both of their characters apart. As one, Totheark is the mysterious video responder who weaves elaborate puzzles with unsettling video montages and stalks/physically attacks Jay.

Apart, TTA posts puzzle videos and Masky is a jackass who breaks into peoples houses and that's all there is to either of them. It takes away any physical implications that TTA may have (Jay doesn't acknowledge some of the puzzles as much as he probably should), and it makes Masky a crazy random happenstance.

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I'm actually of the opinion that TTA and Masky are the same person, as well, but I don't like that you're bitch-slapping folk for making assumptions in one place and then one post later you bitch-slap us for NOT making assumptions.

Firstly, I think "bitch-slapping" seems like a rather harsh term to use. I'm not trying to be combative, nor have I put anyone down for any of their own ideas. I've just called out the overall assumption of some theories. I'm interested in productive conversation, not being abrasive and offending other people.

I'm against the mentality of treating TTA as a solved mystery. I'm critical of the idea that TTA/Masky are separate because it seems like something created from over-analyzing. Can someone direct me to a argument for them being separate?

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Is it the same jacket, though? or does it just look the same? I own several coats that are "basically" the same thing. But they have numerous key differences that counts in making them not even remotely similar (Buttons, fabric, pockets, etc.)

Of course, I don't expect matching tags that show washing instructions. But is there a side by side comparison floating around somewhere? I'd imagine there is.

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Note that Tim is always guzzling water when we see him. There are water bottle leavings in the closet and a big crate used to store water bottles in the upstairs room in the house in #23.

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Other people are spotting better evidence than I just have, but there you go. A schwack of points to indicate the reasons why we are thinking what we do.

I'd like to point out, all of the bits and pieces of info that have been brought up, I have not seen in my many months of lurking in a single area. The most that I've seen are people saying "Dude he's got the same hair, it's obvs. Tim!" and then totally writing off other people who still think its Alex (usually with something about middle initials being yelled about).

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What? Dude, how do you even know this. What is your evidence for this. I don't even asdfasdfasdfasdg

O.o... I'm explaining a possible scenario/theory/speculation on why TTA never found any tapes if that's what he was looking for.

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I probably mis-worded that. I meant treating it as case closed. And I have lurked for quite a while, however some of the threads can go for pages and not really reach any conclusion after a while.

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Yes. If only because it's as appropriate as Masky, the Masked Man, Timmasky, etc. etc. etc.

Masky seems more like a cute fan name. TTA=the dude in the mask who posts videos, since that's more or less his official name.

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Or noting the being as Slender Man vs. The Operator. Some are more accurate than others, though there is an understanding that we understand what the poster is talking about. If it turns out that the character who is filling the roll of TTA is not Tim, then we will adjust our vocabulary as necessary. Chill out, broskie.

That's not really comparable because to saying "Tim/TTA" because Slenderman was used until the creators gave the official Marble Hornets name for Slenderman as The Operator. Tim=TTA is just a theory until the mask comes off and Mr. Sideburns is there in the flesh. Using the name implies that the mystery is solved when it most certainly isn't.

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WHAT?
OOG, Why would Troy leave not-quite-subtle hints about Tim being an IG character of importance if he was trying to avoid connections? In the TTA response 'Messages' there is a FACE OF TIM overlaid towards the end after TTA says 'you have been keeping secrets'. PRETTY SURE that's not an accident.

It's a masked character. Actor consistency doesn't matter. Especially when the masked character is usually seen distorted.

Maybe Tim is involved somehow. He can be involved without being totheark (just playing devil advocate there).

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:43 pm

JKatkina
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TokyoVigilanteX wrote:

Just because the series seems to be tossing you an answer doesn't mean you should just take it and cling to it. It seems more and more apparent that people have latched onto out of desperation of wanting an answer.

Not necessarily speculate, but treating it as "mystery solved" is silly. Like I said, I can cite as much evidence for Alex's Dog as you can for Tim, and I'm sure there are some people who can formulate a solid, albeit semi-far fetched, theory for Alex. What makes those any less valid then the Tim one? People like it for the reasons I've mentioned above, not necessarily because it makes any more sense.

And buying into a possible series of red herrings and scoffing at any alternative speculation isn't? Let's not get hypocritical here.

You can quote as much evidence for the dog as for Tim? Do it. Go right ahead. Blow me out of the water with your intellectual prowess.

What you're basically saying is that we shouldn't ever think we have a reasonable hypothesis for anything, which entirely defeats the purpose of speculating at all. And honestly? All the speculation you are gunning for has happened, way before your time (unless you've been lurking longer than I've been present on these forums). I'm not scoffing at speculation, because hello, you're not DOING ANY speculation. All you are doing is calling an entire forum of people stupid for having a reasonably well agreed-upon hypothesis. If it wasn't Tim behind the mask, I would be surprised, but my world wouldn't be shattered. It's not "mystery solved", it's "well we're sure enough that we can move on from this". If new evidence comes up, new discussion will occur -- and has, given the evidence from the twitpic with a hoodie and the video with Jay with possibly the same hoodie. To use your words -- "semi-far-fetched", by definition, means "less likely". The reason so many people subscribe to the theory that Tim is Masky is that it SEEMS MUCH MORE LIKELY than any of the other hypotheses. Again, if you actually have any counter-arguments to present, present them.

Calling me a hypocrite assumes I haven't considered alternate theories. Again, much of the speculation you're wishin'-and-hopin' for happened, a year and more ago. Your assertions are ill-informed and calling long-considered, well-reasoned hypothesis "desperation" is... well then.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:19 pm

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Tokyo wrote:

We are not trying to say that we're taking and clinging to it. If it turns out that Tim is not TTA after all, I don't think we'll be crying ourselves to sleep at night (at least I won't be. *hard staers at JKatkina*) I think that you may be mistaking desperation for an answer for us as a community [s]overanalyzing the hell out of[/s] navigating the story and using generally agreed upon touchstones from which to try to answer other questions. Think of it sort of like a sodoku puzzle: We see that these squares are probably X, Y or Z, but with the various evidence, we can most likely assume that this square is this specific number. That may not be the case, but it will hold us for now until we get more pieces filled in.

What I don't understand is why you are so pissed that people are doing this. We know that Alex or someone else could be playing the role. We understand that, truly we do. There is a haziness to the decision that Tim is TTA, and we're willing to discuss that. But you don't have anything really solid to change our minds away from this decision, so you may just have to sit down and shut up until we get more plot that proves or disproves anything. In the meantime, Tim == TTA is a holding place, not THE FINAL ANSWER.

Tokyo wrote:

Like I said, I can cite as much evidence for Alex's Dog as you can for Tim, and I'm sure there are some people who can formulate a solid, albeit semi-far fetched, theory for Alex. What makes those any less valid then the Tim one? People like it for the reasons I've mentioned above, not necessarily because it makes any more sense.

No. You're just doing this to be a penis-wrinkle, not to try to further what people are guessing about the story. Like I said, we're not 100% sure, but just because of that does not mean that we are 0%, either. There is a scale between absolute right and absolute wrong when there is no definite answer to the question. Tim == TTA is more right than Alex == TTA or Rocky == TTA and you know it.

Tokyo wrote:

And buying into a possible series of red herrings and scoffing at any alternative speculation isn't? Let's not get hypocritical here.

Now yer just trollin', man. S'not cool. S'not cool at all.

Tokyo wrote:

Um. The house wasn't actually abandoned. Odds are it was someone who lived there who took the time and effort, OOG to make the place look abandoned. And it's not like these guys had a huge budget and were hiring strangers, at least as far as I know. You ask a friend or someone to come play a part, but you're going to tell them X amount about the part that they're playing that us fans aren't going to know about. I'm sure that when Troy asked Tim!Actor to show up, it wasn't just for a fearful night-tackle.

Also, dude, lamest response ever. Getting in on a creepy movie would be fun. Please extract those panties from their knots.

Tokyo wrote:

This is assuming (OH WAIT LET'S NOT ASSUME THAT'S HYPOCANTHUCAL) that TTA and Masky are not working in tandem. Again, I don't believe that TTA and Masky are necessarily two different people, but for the sake of having a stick up my ass just like you, here is where you are probably wrong:

TTA by himself is the chess master, moving the pieces into place, urging Jay to find more evidence and to bring him to a vulnerable position. He holds back and records everything, but chooses not to get into the fray. Or he could be removed from the physical location altogether, requiring the help of another to do the dirty work.

Masky is a jackass, sure, who is willing to be given instructions on what needs doing where when the dirty-work is necessary. TTA does not necessarily have to be around to record things (ala Jay's coughing fit); this could have been done by Masky, who is in the area. Masky and TTA can meet up to have their montage of creepy shots, this can be edited by TTA; Masky and TTA could be working together to keep track of Jay.

Your assumptions that TTA and Masky are weakened stone-wall further discussion and really just weaken your own case about Tim =/= TTA by act of hypocrisy.

Tokyo wrote:

There have BEEN productive conversations, dozens and dozens of them. If the MH board does not sate your thirst for productive conversation, you can probably find bits and pieces over on the Something Awful forums, or other forums that have discussed this video series. Just because you are a newbie of all of 12 posts doesn't mean that everybody should have to dust off the very same things that they have said over and over again for your special privilege. If you come up with something that actively tackles the question at hand (which, I am assuming, is "Who is TTA, really? I believe X") then it is worth replying to. In the mean time, you get trolls like me who sound harsh and abrasive because we're tired of entitled newbies showing up and saying "YOU ARE ALL STUPID AND YOU SHOULD FEEL STUPID!"

As for directing you to an argument over TTA/Masky being the same, I admit that there are a lot of crap threads that make it difficult to find relevant conversations (ARGLEBLARGLE) but here are a few that speak about TTA and which are more likely to have chatter over TTA vs Masky + TTA in reverse chronological order:

What is the Ark
Making Connections
Just a Quick Theory on Masky...

Again, the only reason that I'm debating this with you is because you seem so inclined to set your foot down, and I'm pointing out that you're putting your foot down on one debate and then telling other people that putting their foot down for something else that has more solid evidence is a bad idea. I do agree that TTA and Masky are probably the same person, and I think that them being separate has more to do with people speculating that Alex surely must be involved, somehow. A lot of this occurred before the final episodes of the season were out; we had no idea where Alex was or what he was doing.

Like I mentioned with people being willing to shed a theory when it doesn't hold water, seeing that Alex most likely had a separate life via #26 sheds doubt on him potentially being TTA, so people were willing to let that go.

Tokyo wrote:

It is the same jacket as far as I can tell; I've used various frames for drawing reference WAY TOO OFTEN for me not to be embarrassed about it. If it's not the same jacket then they might as well have a closet full of the same make, because they are so similar that it's not likely they're different. I'll MAKE you a side-by-side comparison if you're so obstinate about seeing it, but I don't see why you can't take a peek and compare for yourself...?

Tokyo wrote:

This is because in the past few months the board has been spammed by other newbies who didn't bother to read back, and most of the oldbies who did sperg out over the little details either burned out and left or just have been quietly and maturely waiting for new entries. Please do not judge the entire forum based on SticktheFigure's actions. He is sometimes lame.

Tokyo wrote:

O.o... I'm explaining a possible scenario/theory/speculation on why TTA never found any tapes if that's what he was looking for.

Yes, but if TTA drove Jay to leave his home, there was ample time between when he left and when the apartment was burned down to rifle through and take what he wanted. In any case, invalid to the current discussion; it's doubtful that the pile of tapes were what TTA was truly after. If that was the case, he could have nabbed what he was after any time he visited Jay, or, potentially, had Jay spout the location of the tapes if he wasn't keeping them at home. It seems like TTA is able to make Jay forget key events, so Jay can't know for sure what he has said or done that might have compromised his safety and aided TTA's goals.

Tokyo wrote:

I probably mis-worded that. I meant treating it as case closed. And I have lurked for quite a while, however some of the threads can go for pages and not really reach any conclusion after a while.

Okay, yes, I'll give you that! I think that what we're thinking on the whole is 'I rest my case', not 'case closed'. When something else comes up that blows the theory out of the water, we can all jump in and start speculating again!

Tokyo wrote:

Masky seems more like a cute fan name. TTA=the dude in the mask who posts videos, since that's more or less his official name.

Agreed, but you realize that people are talking about TTA, most of the time, when they're saying 'Masky, no? It's slang, slang is whack.

Tokyo wrote:

Again, I point you up to the two other iterations of what I was trying to explain. We're implying what we think we know. Are you trying to Vocabulary Police us? Would you prefer that everybody say only certain names to mean certain things? It's a forum based on a community of internet peeps, I think that getting upset about how some people say X when they SHOULD say Y is good cause to give you the diabeetus and a stroke, man. It might be grating, but I don't think that squalling about what names we should use is going to make everybody change their minds, and I think that it's just rude without also giving us a very solid reason other than "BUT IT's NOT FOR SURE FOR SURE!"

Tokyo wrote:

Keeping in mind that the MH creators know that their fanbase is composed mostly of spurg'lords, and seems willing to acknowledge and fuck around with us, actor consistency does matter if only so that they can jerk us around and surprise us later on, no? And yes, Tim CAN be involved without playing TTA; if that winds up being the case (as I state for the fourth, fifth time this post? I hope this is enough!) then we'll go "ON SNAP!" and proceed to change what we understand of the series.

Dayumn you have got me spazzing out. This is kind of sad and funny. Very Happy

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:43 pm

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Does Jay ever actually state that he is searching for Alex? I was under the impression that he started to review the tapes to find out why Alex got so freaked out and left the state. He made the assumption in Entry 18 that the masked man might be Alex, but that was really more of a guess.

I believe that's one of the last things he says in Season one, and I'm sure he said it a little earlier, as well.

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Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:18 pm

TokyoVigilanteX
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JKatkina wrote:

You can quote as much evidence for the dog as for Tim? Do it. Go right ahead. Blow me out of the water with your intellectual prowess.

It was a joke. As in "Haha".

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What you're basically saying is that we shouldn't ever think we have a reasonable hypothesis for anything, which entirely defeats the purpose of speculating at all.

You shouldn't consider anything solved until it's actually been solved. All I'm calling out is the attitude that I've seen that TTA is solved.

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I'm not scoffing at speculation, because hello, you're not DOING ANY speculation. All you are doing is calling an entire forum of people stupid for having a reasonably well agreed-upon hypothesis.

Did I? Can I get some citations here?

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If it wasn't Tim behind the mask, I would be surprised, but my world wouldn't be shattered. It's not "mystery solved", it's "well we're sure enough that we can move on from this". If new evidence comes up, new discussion will occur -- and has, given the evidence from the twitpic with a hoodie and the video with Jay with possibly the same hoodie.

And that's totally fine. But what's wrong with mulling over what we already have?

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To use your words -- "semi-far-fetched", by definition, means "less likely".

[citation needed]

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The reason so many people subscribe to the theory that Tim is Masky is that it SEEMS MUCH MORE LIKELY than any of the other hypotheses. Again, if you actually have any counter-arguments to present, present them.

I don't have any because I don't believe it's anyone we've met. I'm not interested in taking one theory and clashing it against another, I'm more interested in the details of the information we have.

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Calling me a hypocrite assumes I haven't considered alternate theories.

[citation needed]

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What I don't understand is why you are so pissed that people are doing this.

Pissed? Do I come off as pissed?

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What if the friend wasn't comfortable with tackling Jay? Would you be willing to possibly botch the entry by having your ferocious attacker gently glide into him like he's going for a soft bear hug? Or what if he just goes for it and hurts Jay, potentially botching a night of shooting, postponing the entry further (and forcing the gracious soul who turned his house upside down to have to live in that wreck for a day longer and subjecting us to dreaded filler?)
Or you could just get the stunt double that has the right hand-eye coordination to steam-roll through Jay safely.

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A link would suffice?

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As for directing you to an argument over TTA/Masky being the same, I admit that there are a lot of crap threads that make it difficult to find relevant conversations (ARGLEBLARGLE) but here are a few that speak about TTA and which are more likely to have chatter over TTA vs Masky + TTA in reverse chronological order:

What is the Ark
Making Connections
Just a Quick Theory on Masky...

Was that so hard?

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I'm more then willing to take your word for it. And I'm presently rocking a dial-up connection, and do my extreme interneting whenever I get into areas of civilization. (Entry 27 took an hour and a half to load to completion this morning, FYI) I usually go through Marble Hornets whenever I get the chance to do it in one sitting.

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Again, I point you up to the two other iterations of what I was trying to explain. We're implying what we think we know. Are you trying to Vocabulary Police us?

Unintentionally, yes. In hindsight, my issue mostly deals with the semantics of it all.

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Would you prefer that everybody say only certain names to mean certain things?

Yes.
(that's a jk, for the record).

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Looking at it from the filmmakers perspective, I'd be more concerned of who I can get when and where (of reasonable height/body type of course) then working a schedule around a particular person who wears the mask.

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Dayumn you have got me spazzing out. This is kind of sad and funny.

I feel endlessly terrible for that.

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 8:11 pm

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