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[EMAIL] 9/24 E-mail from the Flea via ladybee777
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Binarius
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 		Also, about rendering Melissa vulnerable - how about, when she asks for a story, telling her a shortened version of the story about Perdita? Shouldn't that prove too familiar for her?

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:24 am
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TheBiggestSean
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 		I'd been trying to remember what other Fantasy tales had a name-significant event besides Never ending story and only came up with Rumplestiltskin...

But there's no very very long sleep in that. I seem to remember some story where, only by hearing their true name, would some sleeping princess awake and find her true love or something.

Maybe I'm still just stuck in the Childlike Empress thing... Frustrating.

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 		Re: [EMAIL] 9/24 E-mail from the Sleeping Princess
Astald wrote:
Wonder if anyone from Melissa's crew have gotten this e-mail? Especially Weephun, speak up if you got it, I would be very interested to hear about that.

For the sake of keeping the record complete, yes, I got it. And I had sent something to ladybee777SPLAThotmail.com several times, most recently the day before (Thursday 9/24).
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:30 am
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Binarius wrote:
I have sent the following message to the ladybee777 address:

...

behold: extern proc 0
!label extern proc 0 queen
queen > !bite Princess
success


But the queen is the master sector, not an external process. Calling her an external process would cause the flea to believe it was something other than the queen who 'bit' the princess.

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Howdareyou wrote:
Binarius wrote:
behold: extern proc 0
!label extern proc 0 queen
queen > !bite Princess
success


But the queen is the master sector, not an external process. Calling her an external process would cause the flea to believe it was something other than the queen who 'bit' the princess.


Judging from how the Flea has been attaching to the Queen, she is an extern proc to him (she is not part of him), and she is located in the master sector. Should he try to !seek extern proc 0, he would probably get master sector. Upon !triage master sector, he would get extern proc 0. Note that the SPDR had the same structure, and to it the Queen was extern proc 0, and the Flea was extern proc 1 (which it tried to !bite).

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 		Re: [SPEC]when she falls apart
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[SPEC]
One thing that's been bothering me about the axon calls, is the need for the "Continue" voice comand. It's the same everytime. You say continue, you get that cacaphony of ilovebees madness, then it stops. But the line does not go dead right away. I had a failed live call with Melissa and as soon as she was done with me, the line went dead instantly. With the recorded axons, you get a good 8-9 sec of silence after the final "ilovebees" before you hear a 'click' and the line goes dead. Could this be what the princess means, "when she falls apart" ? I wonder what would happen if we said her name during that silence after the saying continue. Won't know until we try it on Tues, I guess; unless someone is going for the new recipe3 axons. It's worth a try.
[/SPEC]

Ranger D


First off I think there's something in what Ranger D says here, and I'm quite surprised that no one else has commented upon it. It's definitely "Worth a try"!

Secondly, has anyone actually stopped to consider who is good and who is bad? Do we WANT the SP to be running around? Or is Melissa the bad-guy? Is Melissa only a bad-guy because of the Flea, and if so, then what's the Flea doing contacting us? Personally, given the evidence, I think the SP is a "nicer person" but then she could be a good actor, and just be pretending so that she can get what she wants or needs from us. Alternatively, and here's a thought that just come to me...what if SP is the original person that Melissa was flash-cloned from? Perhaps the Flea is like some kind of AI psychologist, trying to free Melissa's "inner child". OK so that was a bit facetious, but I think that's some SPEC that's worth considering.

Thirdy, what does the Flea mean by:

Flea wrote:

!init search Princess
frgm extern proc 0


Finally, did anyone else laugh at the Flea's use of splotch and creepy? Laughing

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 		As for other tales that thre were long slumbers in, Rip Van Winkle is one, but I doubt that has any real relevence.

That idea of Ranger D's is quite ingenious, the problem is, what name do we call out? If I don't get a live call, I'd be happy to try it, and if I get a live call, I could try telling her perdita's story and see what happens.

Also I think Binarius is really onto something. We could get the SP to leave us little clue to where she is if we could contact her. If the story she wrote is symbolic though, it might mean the flea is bad after all (we contact her through him, we tell her her name, she looks at her self, and the flea "Cuts her balloon")

But there's another possibility as well. Suppose that WE represent the clockwork rat. We helped her out and tried to help her find her way home, then we got her put back in the coffin (like cutting the balloon again).

Am I off?
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 		Re: [SPEC]when she falls apart
Ranger D wrote:
[SPEC]
One thing that's been bothering me about the axon calls, is the need for the "Continue" voice comand. It's the same everytime. You say continue, you get that cacaphony of ilovebees madness, then it stops. But the line does not go dead right away. I had a failed live call with Melissa and as soon as she was done with me, the line went dead instantly. With the recorded axons, you get a good 8-9 sec of silence after the final "ilovebees" before you hear a 'click' and the line goes dead. Could this be what the princess means, "when she falls apart" ? I wonder what would happen if we said her name during that silence after the saying continue. Won't know until we try it on Tues, I guess; unless someone is going for the new recipe3 axons. It's worth a try.
[/SPEC]

Ranger D


I've thought about this too. Everytime I answer the axon, I always keep the phone off the hook after the end. Once the silence begin after the ILB clip I usually say hello, but nothing has happened so far.

The last time I did it, though, the phone rang again, and I thought maybe something was happening, but it was nothing.

I'll come up with a coded email to send sometime today. Maybe I should send 3 emails(same or different) since I received 3 emails from Margaret. I don't think it matters though.

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 		Re: [SPEC]when she falls apart
Flea wrote:

!init search Princess
frgm extern proc 0


I'm pretty sure the sleeping princess is integrated into the queen now, so "frgm extern proc 0" could translate into "fragment located in external process 0"

after all, when Melissa falls apart, SP can still get through

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 		I am willing to bet that what we've been spec-ing, saying the Princess' name after Melissa says all the 'ilovebees', and somehow getting a message from the Princess in doing so.

However, I doubt we have to do that on a live call. That would be all too hard, since it's apparent that the 'official crew' of Melissa will be getting a recording on Tuesday like the rest of us. So, try saying the Princess' name (Princess Aurora, Aurora, Briar, Briar Rose, Rose, or even just Sleeping Princess, Princess or SP if all else fails) after Melissa falls apart and there is an 8 second wait before the 'click'. That seems all too convenient to not be where we should aim.
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 		I agree DM. For now we'll set our sights there. We'll need those who try it to post extensive documentation of what they did here though, whether they fail or succeed.

I have a feeling that we only get one shot at it per call. In other words, we can only call one name per recording. Aurora seems a bit odd of a name (especially if she's Kamal's sister), so I'm going to go with her name being Rose.

I guess we have to sit tight til tuesday, to test all of this. I'm still trying to work out if I get a live call, can I get away with using the rank Admiral, lol.
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 		Re: extern proc
Binarius wrote:
Howdareyou wrote:
But the queen is the master sector, not an external process. Calling her an external process would cause the flea to believe it was something other than the queen who 'bit' the princess.

Judging from how the Flea has been attaching to the Queen, she is an extern proc to him (she is not part of him), and she is located in the master sector. Should he try to !seek extern proc 0, he would probably get master sector. Upon !triage master sector, he would get extern proc 0. Note that the SPDR had the same structure, and to it the Queen was extern proc 0, and the Flea was extern proc 1 (which it tried to !bite).

SPDR saw the Pious Flea as "extern proc 1," but "extern proc 0" was the Sleeping Princess, not the Queen. The Queen was "master-sector" to SPDR
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 		Re: [SPEC]when she falls apart
Xhylph wrote:
Flea wrote:

!init search Princess
frgm extern proc 0


I'm pretty sure the sleeping princess is integrated into the queen now, so "frgm extern proc 0" could translate into "fragment located in external process 0"


Or it could be a .... I don't know what it would be called in programming terms... A note as to the nature of the thing he is searching for...

So he's saying, "I'm looking for the Princess, who is a fragment of extern proc 0."

It's like if he was looking for me, he'd say,

!init search HitsHerMark
frgm extern proc beekeepers

I think we've gotten something that could support the theory that the SP is part of SP... Or at least that the P Flea want's us to think that she is.
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 		I agree HHM, but I'm a bit worried about trusting the flea. I keep thinking about perdiita's story and how the clockwork rat turned on her in the end.

Maybe we should try calling SP's name 1st before we get the flea involved? Or maybe we have to call her name 1st before he can sense her and lead us to her.
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Kazic wrote:
I agree HHM, but I'm a bit worried about trusting the flea. I keep thinking about perdiita's story and how the clockwork rat turned on her in the end.

Maybe we should try calling SP's name 1st before we get the flea involved? Or maybe we have to call her name 1st before he can sense her and lead us to her.


The idea of the Princess being a forerunner AI is beggining to settle better and better with me. If the Flea is a covvie AI, he would want to protect the Princess...

Then, on the other hand, the Flea could be a friend, hence his reason for turning to us for help in finding the SP.
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