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[TuxKamen]

That's a very nice essay. I don't agree with it at all, but that's fine.

I'll say it again: If you think 'our' holding any information back from you would have changed anything about the plot development of the game, you're wrong. This was going to happen whether we did anything or not; some random person would have sent the Princess an 'I'll be at X on Y at Z' email so that she could keep sneaking around, and she would have been caught at that point. Also keep in mind that enough of you figured out the general idea to send the Princess many, many warning emails before Friday, yet she still got captured.

The fact that one of us was the catalyst is only for flavor and plot advancement of the game you are currently enjoying.

Also, the fact that some of us (weephun, myself) were told *not* to tell you about what we were doing was entirely up to Melissa. Blaming 'the crew' for doing what they were instructed to do is unfair, almost childish, as everyone took pains to share as much as they could up to the point where we were told not to do so. Some people weren't restricted at all and told you everything about their calls. For the ones who were, it was an entirely novel experience. We didn't say anything not because we were trying to screw you, but because it had never happened before. Personally, when someone tells me to keep a secret, I keep it.

Now, I participated pretty heavily in Cloudmakers as well. I understand that it's really great to have that collective power and everybody pulling together. However, I look at these complaints about factionalization and "breaking the Commandments" and I almost feel like laughing.

Follow those rules if you like, but nobody said that the organizers would do the same. I don't recall "Mike the security guy" telling us NOT to tell #cloudmakers that something was happening on his shift, for example. Why? Because it wouldn't have been as cool. It wouldn't have advanced the plot in a dramatic fashion to just see a crime report. Likewise, just *catching* the Princess would have been sad, but without any punch.

This genre is still too new for you to treat it like it's set in stone (tablets), so don't get your back up about new methods of play instigated by the organizers (as opposed to the players). Instead, consider the crew a resource. Help us (and whoever gets recruited next week, if anyone) figure out how to save the Princess and defeat the evil Koopa.

Just don't forget: This ride's on rails.

[vpisteve]

[darkmoonz]

(i don't know if you even care, but...)

weephun, after i heard what you said to melissa, never did i once think "oh my god, he told melissa about the sleeping princess... now she's going to go get her. even after melissa put the princess back in the glass coffin (or where-ever she was put), i still wasn't mad or upset or whatever else... i just thought "wow, cool plot twist, now you know what i should probably do, try to free the princess..." cause even though all the crewmembers may or may not be getting "private" transmissions, there are now those who aren't crew members... that's not an elitist thing, that just means we all have a different role to play now... you have to lead melissa along and find out things from that end while we have to try to contact the flea and see if we can somehow get through to the princess... maybe the crew can even let us know what happened to the "rouge process" and give us the information we need to help out in the oh so many ways that we've been tearing through this thing...

and yes, i'll admit, if i was one of those who had picked up a live axon and i was asked to keep the conversation private, i would have... i might not have said anything about the princess, but i can't say because i wasn't the one answering questions on the fly there, you were... in any case, you didi what you did, we can't undo it by yelling at you (or anyone else, if this kind of thing happens again), so everyone just roll with the punches, this was going to happen anyway, so just deal with it and now lets all work on figuring out what happened to the princess and the flea (princess and the pea... don't know why i said that, but i thought about it for some reason...)

so, all that to say, people, don't yell at others... it's still just a game, and yes, there are two "camps" if you will, but our goals are both the same... find out as much as we can about melissa, the princess, the flea, the covenant, the apocolypso, why the ais are in dana's aunt's computer in the first place, and whatever else we can glean from this...

have fun

[Astald]

I think people from both sides of the camp have been taking this a little too far. Not everyone is out to get Weephun and other members Melissa has adopted as her crew. But the fact of the matter is, the game has changed, maybe only temporarily (hopefully only temporarily). If it lasted longer than that would mean a certain group of individuals is going to be getting information before everyone else and could be told to keep such information secret. I am fine with everyone involved taking an in-game role, but there are now a large portion of people that feel left out. I absolutely agree that the people answering phones deserve recognition and even some special priveledges, but there are also other people who cannot answer the phones who deserve those same priveledges. I am not in any way upset with any player, or the PMs, I am just feeling a little left out. And I think most people reacting feel the same way.

[TuxKamen]

[Astald]

I only said both camps because it seemed like the people who are really opposed to the recent turn of events have lashed out at their fellow players. And the people in Melissa's crew seem to be taking every post about feelings of being left-out personally. I think everything will be fine, and everyone has just been really blown away by all the recent events, which signifies a job well done. And by it being a priveledge, I thought it would be. To get your name on the official site, to be praised by Melissa (unfortunately scorned by some gamers), but it all gives you more immersion into the game, which should always be seen as a plus in any game. Sorry if it gives you more work, but do what you can and have fun.

[Eric Burns]

Re: response: what milestone???

[rose]

just to say so long and thanks for all the fish

[thebruce]

just a couple quick things...

[Eric Burns]

Re: just to say so long and thanks for all the fish

[krystyn]

I'd just like to say, one more time, cancer, shmancer.

It is fun to say!

Also, this game is not even over yet.

Also, the updated 404/weephun revelation happened Friday.


Today is Saturday.






Death knell, my ass.

[DarkStorm]

There's yet another way of looking at this: Out-of-game information should be kept separate from in-game information. That's an old RP staple. If, for example, you're playing on a superhero place and Superman is running around, just because you know who Clark Kent really is doesn't mean your character knows.

This whole board, as I understand it, is out of game. Withholding information from other "characters" in the game is not the same as withholding information from other players outside of it. Revealing something on this board is not "betraying" anyone, because it's an out-of-game revelation.

But maybe I'm trying to apply rules from other games to one where it doesn't fit.

Or maybe I'm just grumpy that I got home today to find no e-mail from the Sleeping Princess, despite a half-dozen messages to her in the past week. I'm apparently not even involved enough to get a mass e-mail.

Nobody loves me

-DS-

[thebruce]

[Ecko4]

Is there anyone in Oklahoma after these Axons? I feel lonely out here. I want to get more into this, but doesn't seem like anyone out and around here cares much for it. Hit me back

[Theorizer]

Wow...... this thing actually became succesful, I think my head will explode from having to read those 3 pages. I hope this thread hasn't stirred up hostility that wasn't all ready there. As well personnally I wouldn't mind reading the logs of the crew after this ARG is done, or the rest of the ARG. It'd be great to hear it from one person who had to really play the game, and where very good at it....... I guess that would mean Weephun as far as anyone knows at the moment right?