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MrHawthorne wrote:


Possible Proof for TTA/Masky Stalking Alex:
ToTheArk's Exit Response to Entry 13. Jay was sent back to Alex's car to retrieve tapes where ToTheArk collected this footage. It would be probable to specuate that ToTheArk was following Alex, not Jay, at that point.


From a conversation Mr. Beyond and I held:

ToTheArk most likely has no interest in Alex. Made even more obvious by Exit, wouldn't you think? Why follow Jay to the car when obviously Alex is just a jog away (completely alone)? Yes, TTA has access to Alex's footage as made obvious by Advocate and, arguably, Exit if Alex is the one filming it. But other than that, he seems to be completely focused on (using?) Jay.

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 		Re: BUMP/idea..
Mr.Beyond wrote:
mellodragon wrote:
awakeasaurusrex wrote:


Wiki wrote:
At 7:00 Slenderman is seen on screen for a few seconds.

Jay specifically describes that as "The last thing the camera ever recorded."


Pardon, I didn't actually remember that instance. But the question still stands: why would SM randomly show up to Jay after his three-year absence? Okay, yes, it's the Slendy-basement, but you can't just tell me that that's where SM lives or something. He's a paranormal entity, he doesn't live anywhere.

EDIT: Also, Jay's camera... I dunno, exploded after filming SM. Yet Alex's were always fine to film to their little heart's content(s). Would it be safe to assume that TTA's cameras would malfunction as well?

Basically, only Alex has been able to record Slenderman and not have to shell out a fortune to buy a new camera.



I definitely agree with the theory that SM is an Alex-specific phenomena, just as TTA is a J-specific phenomena. As far as we know, he never targeted Alex, never tried to use him. Just as SM has only shown up near J precious few times.
The theory about Return being three/four years ago, during SM's haunting of Alex, makes so much sense when you think about it. That's definitely alex/brian's house where the majority of the Slenderfootage was filmed... but I have to disagree that SM looks like he's coming down the stairs. I always thought that in Return, J was sitting in the same spot he found the Slendydoll in... I.E. upstairs, in the hallway where I can presume the door to Alex's room is found. It seems so logical that the footage comes from Alex's camera, as well... he did have surveillance everywhere and had managed to catch mostly-clear footage of sm several times at that point. J caught him on tape only once, and that killed his camera.

On that topic, for SM showing up in the Slendybasement to J... I have a theory. Humor me for a minute.

What if J was not only sent to the PLACE where Seth disappeared, where Alex filmed his last tape, but the TIME as well?I'd need to double-check this, but I think at some point during 23 I swore I heard voices.... I'd need someone with some audio software to play with this with me, but I think maybe he's hearing Alex calling for Seth.

So there's the idea that J could have been transported back to the night of Seth's disappearance and Alex's last tape. If the Return theory makes sense, then it wouldn't be the first time he'd traveled back in time, and it explains why he caught SM on tape- SM was there the night of the events in 22's tape.

If this is true, (because this thread is about TTA which I've been forgetting) then is it possible TTA SENT him back in time both times? He disappeared in 19 after Masky broke into his room... so is it that Masky warped him to the place he was at in Return? Likewise, it was his chase of Masky around the house that led him through the door that took him to the Slendybasement. Is it sufficient to say Masky has time-warping abilities, or was this all an accident?


You did hear voices in Entry 23. Those voices said "Hello?". The voices were dissected and determined to be Jays except much quieter and with different pitches. If memory serves correctly there was also some laughing in that video.

It is thought that the voices were the Operator repeating imitating Jay.

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 		Ah, okay. The voices AREN'T imaginary.

I must have missed the memo that the "hello" belonged to J, but i can understand how it would bring up a "operator imitating him" theory. But.. I don't know. It seems like TTA is more closely linked to audio (listentoitall, the missing audio from some of the Entries) whereas Operator is more linked to visuals (the camera lens, (x), etc).

It just doesn't make sense to me that the thus-silent Operator would start parroting J's words back at him.

There's also the business with this image that I found in the 23 thread. I know people have been saying it looks like Slendy, but putting the large white spot aside, the gray more closely resembles a face with features. I remember upon watching this entry and seeing this flash, all I could think was "hoshit, is that someone with a camera?"
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 		Sorry if this is in the wrong place (since this is for the videos and the not person(s)) and this might have been stated before but I've noticed that sometimes he is wearing a black hoodie others a tan one ,and then there was that one time he wore a skull mask so what if each one is a different person and instead of being one person TTA is a clan or cult of some sort.

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 		Re: BUMP/idea..
Makdee wrote:


You did hear voices in Entry 23. Those voices said "Hello?". The voices were dissected and determined to be Jays except much quieter and with different pitches. If memory serves correctly there was also some laughing in that video.

It is thought that the voices were the Operator repeating imitating Jay.


I remember the 'hello's, but I'm thinking more specifically of...

wiki wrote:
At 6:30 something is said but it is very hard to make out due to static.

At 6:32 it sounds like someone far off has coughed.


Did we ever figure out what that static bit was? I know the coughing has probably been written off as Masky (since he seemed to have led Jay to the basement in the first place), so I'm not as concerned about that. But the static... It just seems that there's something hidden under it.

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MrHawthorne wrote:
I was wondering if anyone noticed the correlation of events between Alex and Jay.

Alex moved from his house to a place he thought was safer (Brian's house) after weird stuff started happening.
So did Jay (from apartment to hotel)

Both Jay and Alex became extremely paranoid and started filming themselves.

I think Alex was stalked by ToTheArk/Masky as well. So that's another correlation.

Possible Proof for TTA/Masky Stalking Alex:
ToTheArk's Exit Response to Entry 13. Jay was sent back to Alex's car to retrieve tapes where ToTheArk collected this footage. It would be probable to specuate that ToTheArk was following Alex, not Jay, at that point.


Then why not film Alex? He films Jay instead.. I still think that TTA/Masky, whther or not he actually had a mask at this point, was and is following Jay.
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mellodragon wrote:

From a conversation Mr. Beyond and I held:
ToTheArk most likely has no interest in Alex. Made even more obvious by Exit, wouldn't you think? Why follow Jay to the car when obviously Alex is just a jog away (completely alone)? Yes, TTA has access to Alex's footage as made obvious by Advocate and, arguably, Exit if Alex is the one filming it. But other than that, he seems to be completely focused on (using?) Jay.

ViolentViolet wrote:

Then why not film Alex? He films Jay instead.. I still think that TTA/Masky, whther or not he actually had a mask at this point, was and is following Jay.


My counterpoint to both of these:

If TTA was stalking Alex he would have a lot of footage of the people he hung out with. In all fairness TTA probably has a bunch of tapes with Seth retrieving camera equipment, or Brian going to the store (since Brian is always at the store or somewhere). If Seth started to do what Jay was doing I bet TTA would have an Exit video all set up for him as well. Unless TTA is one of those people…so, like, anyone TTA is not would be somewhere on the stalky footage TTA was taking of Alex.

Possible reasons TTA didn't film Alex:

1. He happened upon Alex's car and waited for somebody to return to it:
If Alex returned to it, then continue stalking.
If someone else returned to it, stalk them until they return to Alex, then stalk Alex.

2. Perhaps TTA doesn't like getting too close to the Operator. Maybe he knows the Operator is somewhere near Alex so stays a safe distance away and stalks Alex's car.

Conclusion:

Jay showing up in Exit was a coincidence that TTA used to instill fear and confusion. He wasn't stalking Jay 3+ years ago, he just happened to catch him on camera while stalking someone else.

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 		Re: BUMP/idea..
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My theory: Return is filmed the night when Slendy pays Alex his bedroom visit. I admit I have no clue what Jay is doing there, but it seems obvious the way SM is ignoring him that he has business... elsewhere, i.e. with Alex just a few doors down.


What I like most about this theory is that it does feel like something we should have done before. I mean, there are lights in the house (unless the one filming brought their own lighting kit). Of course, the thing that always bugged me about that clip was the jump cut, but, eh.

There is also that whole "...the antithesis of labyrinth-that which contains work-is Noah's Ark-in other words that which contains rest" (page 114, hardback) thing in HoL, which I only bring up because I just read that bit the other day (the amount of sex in this book is starting to annoy me), and that to the best of my knowledge and search abilities (when did search functions stop allowing for boolean expressions?), this wasn't brought up. A shame it probably doesn't attribute to anything, though, doesn't disqualify it if it was an homage, period.

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mellodragon wrote:


My theory: Return is filmed the night when Slendy pays Alex his bedroom visit. I admit I have no clue what Jay is doing there, but it seems obvious the way SM is ignoring him that he has business... elsewhere, i.e. with Alex just a few doors down.


What I like most about this theory is that it does feel like something we should have done before. I mean, there are lights in the house (unless the one filming brought their own lighting kit). Of course, the thing that always bugged me about that clip was the jump cut, but, eh.

There is also that whole "...the antithesis of labyrinth-that which contains work-is Noah's Ark-in other words that which contains rest" (page 114, hardback) thing in HoL, which I only bring up because I just read that bit the other day (the amount of sex in this book is starting to annoy me), and that to the best of my knowledge and search abilities (when did search functions stop allowing for boolean expressions?), this wasn't brought up. A shame it probably doesn't attribute to anything, though, doesn't disqualify it if it was an homage, period.


Eh, you start getting used to the sex after a while. It never really bothered me in the first place, plus there's often interesting little code-y tidbits contained within.

I always just assumed the jump cut meant it was from two different cameras. Maybe one was set to watch the doorway... But that DOES bring up something I hadn't thought about before. Why would the first camera (on Jay's face) be pointed directly at Jay... That doesn't make much sense from a surveillance point of view..

Thoughts, anyone?

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MrHawthorne wrote:


My counterpoint to both of these:

If TTA was stalking Alex he would have a lot of footage of the people he hung out with. In all fairness TTA probably has a bunch of tapes with Seth retrieving camera equipment, or Brian going to the store (since Brian is always at the store or somewhere). If Seth started to do what Jay was doing I bet TTA would have an Exit video all set up for him as well. Unless TTA is one of those people…so, like, anyone TTA is not would be somewhere on the stalky footage TTA was taking of Alex.

Possible reasons TTA didn't film Alex:

1. He happened upon Alex's car and waited for somebody to return to it:
If Alex returned to it, then continue stalking.
If someone else returned to it, stalk them until they return to Alex, then stalk Alex.

2. Perhaps TTA doesn't like getting too close to the Operator. Maybe he knows the Operator is somewhere near Alex so stays a safe distance away and stalks Alex's car.

Conclusion:

Jay showing up in Exit was a coincidence that TTA used to instill fear and confusion. He wasn't stalking Jay 3+ years ago, he just happened to catch him on camera while stalking someone else.


Hate to doublepost, but whatevs.

In response to 1- That just doesn't seem... TTA. He's more... professional than that. Instead of just wandering around town and hoping to happen upon Alex's car, he'd actually, you know. Keep up with him at all times. Not to mention TTA has a way of making sure someone is where he wants them to be, like Jay with the House and the apartment (which Jay didn't do, and thus wasn't burned to a crisp).

If he wanted to film Alex, he'd make sure that Alex was where he could keep track of him.

Now two.. Makes sense to me, I can't find any problem with that. You've never really seen Masky around the Operator, so he obviously keeps away from him. Unless M just can't find Slendy, in his three-year hiatus.

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 		I still think Masky is a Jay-exclusive phenomena, and Slendy is Alex-centric.

Isn't it strange how Alex, when he is scribbling and such, writes things like "WHAT I SEE SEES ME".. I do think he is talking about Slenderman.

TTA would've posted videos OF Alex, and Alex would've had videos of Masky, whereas we can see that TTA posts messages that are directed at Jay.

Like I said, Jay trawled through Alex's videos. There isn't any sign of Masky there, only Slendy. Also, I notice that Jay doesn't act as paranoid, doesn't scribble messages like Alex does.. so Masky can be considered significantly much more harmless than Slenderman.

At the same time, both Jay and Alex constantly film themselves, which can be attributed to the shared effect of memory loss..

Which may NOT be a product of Slendrification.


Another thought. Perhaps Tim is also a victim and has said memory lapses, whether he is Masky/TTA or not. He's just not willing to share this with Jay, either out of nervousness and distrust (which is bound to happen, seeing as Alex totally isolates himself and yells at everybody etc etc) or as part of some master plan. But he is hiding something, which is why in Entry 15, he seems so unsure and unwilling to talk about what happened during the filming of Marble Hornets, whether or not he doesn't want to remember, or he remembers and doesn't want to share with Jay.
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 		ALSO

wiki wrote:

The masked figure falls to a crouch, then runs at J. At 1:56 the audio distorts. The masked person tackles J and the camera falls on the carpet near the stairs at 1:57. From 1:57 to 2:07 a struggle can be heard through the distortion, but nothing that is said can be made out, and none of the struggle is visible on the The distortion ends at 2:09, when J regains control of the camera.

The masked figure is lying on the ground in the hallway, apparently having some sort of seizure. The figure stops moving, and J approaches to remove his mask.



Even though Jay has coughing fits, he can touch Masky without dying and vice versa.

Another idea: Maybe Masky has a seizure because he looked into the camera when he lunges for it, meaning to push it away but literally getting an eyeful..
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ViolentViolet wrote:

Another idea: Maybe Masky has a seizure because he looked into the camera when he lunges for it, meaning to push it away but literally getting an eyeful..


Except Masky looks at the camera perfectly fine in the following entry.

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Mr.Beyond wrote:

There's also the business with this image that I found in the 23 thread. I know people have been saying it looks like Slendy, but putting the large white spot aside, the gray more closely resembles a face with features. I remember upon watching this entry and seeing this flash, all I could think was "hoshit, is that someone with a camera?"


I always thought it looked like some kind of mutant bird

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