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[PUZZLE] Entry #28's Safe Code
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Leina.
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 		[PUZZLE] Entry #28's Safe Code
The search for the 4-digit code to Jay's mystery safe
EDIT/Updates: JKatkina has sent a message to Jay with suggested codes, the message can be seen farther down this page. Once s/he receives a response I'll update what numbers have been disproved if none of them are correct.
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Jay's tweet "I've searched everywhere in the hotel room, the safe is the only lead I have right now. Need to figure out this code" is an obvious push in the 'solve this' direction.

Below is a compilation of already suggested theories/analysis of code possibilities from the [VIDEO] Entry #28 thread. Many thanks to everyone who posted. Extra many thanks to Zaden and Barolas. Yes, I edited some information/things in, just to make things more concise (and visible). And for consistency's sake, I'll continue to use Zaden's color code.

Zaden wrote:
I'm going to copy some other quotes that involve the safe's combo into this and make it a megapost.
Codes that are proven to be the wrong code will be RED
Random four-digit number codes will be DARKBLUE
Codes that are formed from speculation and analysis of clues and events of significance will be GREEN
Barolas wrote:
In all seriousness, my analysis of the codes comes down to this:

1234 - basic attempt at cracking the safe had a password not been set or a very weak password. He should also try 0000 just for the heck of it.

8416 - This one I can't figure a correlation for. Could be a bank PIN, last four digits of a social, last four digits of a telephone number from my experience with people who set up PINs on debit cards (I'm a banker). If it were a social, there's no way to verify because the last 4 are just a serial number, as to where the first 3 are a region code and second 2 are a group number.

1985 - a possible birth-year. This puts Jay at about 25, which follows cannon age lines.

4613 - Just a pattern on the keypad. Looking at a telephone keypad or something similar, you see he just makes a box. Alternatively, he could have tried 7913, 7946, etc. I don't feel there's anything to read into there. This one can't spell anything because the 1 is an empty key.

Something I'd be curious to see is if the safe has a timer on the failed attempts to avoid the 15 minute time-out. So, if Jay puts in a code 3 to 5 minutes apart, would it still trigger the "hold 15?" Probably, but if it allows us more chances to enter codes, it can't hurt to try.

Gale wrote:
Wild guess: 4180
Sachael wrote:
There's also that safe. Note how the safe keypad has letters like a phone keypad does. Maybe he should try YAMA (9262)
Dr. Leonard Mengele wrote:
It could be wakeup date/time. Like, 1123(Nov. 23rd) or 0831(8:31 a.m.) or sommat like that.
Leina. wrote:
The distorted noises at the end of the tape... possible morse code? Assuming I did it correctly, the outcomes would be a variant of "ivii" or "moemn" (if I switched the dot/dash like Dray suggested). What if "ivii" stands for 1511 in roman numerals? Not sure what relevance the numbers have to the series though.

Theycallmehsexypants wrote:
Look at an old phones keypad.
He needs to try the numbers
6275
MASK
Makes sense to me anyway.
Pathomer wrote:
I do think that "5377" could be an option.
"Jess"
trin cat wrote:
I think Jay should try 2539 (ALEX) or 4357 (HELP, from the end of #26) for the room safe.

I'm very curious about this safe and the combination. Weren't there clues in the totheark videos that still haven't been connected? Like the code in Program and Advocate? Using Advocate's sequence as a key for 0-10, Program seemed to say 25-1-13-1 three times. Someone mentioned that the format resembled a binary clock. Furthermore, Advocate said "tick tock" which is obviously onomatopoeia for the sound a clock makes. In light of this, doesn't that number sequence seem strange? Clocks don't have a thirteen and there are only twenty-four hours in a day. But both high numbers fall short by one!
If 13 wraps around to equal 1 and 25 wraps around to equal 1, and Program is the clue for the safe, then the combination is 1111.

xxxblindxxx wrote:
BONE on the numeric keypad would be 2663

TheAtroxious wrote:
I might mention that I quite like the idea of J trying out 1411 as a code for the safe.

Makdee wrote:
In addition to the scraping and banging sounds in the night scene, there are also clicking sounds. It is quiet, but if you boost the volume to 3 times normal it can be heard.

It has the following pattern.
1= tap
0=pause
10010000011110000000

The pattern plays 3 times in the 30 second scene.
It is probably nothing, but it seemed a bit unusual to me, thus I post it.

SpiralStatic wrote:
I took a listen to the thumping noises at the end of the video. I'm not sure if this is moving furniture exactly, the noises are too rapid and close together. it sounds more like someone hitting the wall with their open palm, and the other, softer noises, sound kinda like someone hitting wood with a piece of metal or a drum-stick. (Maybe Jess is rocking out at night? Razz)

Anyway, I tried the binary approach, but it came out to 10 digits, so no good. 1 represents the loud thumps, and 0 the sharp "taps."

1011101010


If there are any I missed, please let me know.

All right, pretty much any type of code speculation goes in here. Please limit your wild guesses, though. Supporting detail is a good thing.

There is also the thing of actually getting these numbers to Jay. I mean, how do we know any of the possible entries we suggest could be right until they are proven so? I guess we'll have to message him.

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Elektrikhd
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 		Haven't had a chance to look into this yet, but I think I remember seeing numbers somewhere else before. A 4-digit sequence seen in any of the videos, including TTA? Maybe on one of the Tweets?

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Reflection Of The Moon
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 		Wild guess, but 6209. The first entry was posted on that date 6-20-09.


Has anyone sent him these ideas yet?

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 		It could be 4499. Why? At the end of #26, right before it cuts to "HELP (x)", the time is 4:04. It then changes to 00:99 at the last millisecond. Just remove the 0's

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DandA
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 		Is there any repeated morse code/binary numbers in any of the TTA videos? Because my guess is that the code is TTA related.

And quick question, but whats the relevance of YAMA?

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HyenaGod
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 		New Tweet specifically addressing this!!!

" I've searched everywhere in the hotel room. The safe is the only lead I have right now. Need to figure out this code. about 9 hours ago via web "

C'mon guys, get the thinking hats on for Jay!

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 		I sent the poor guy the stuff we'd come up with so far!

Quote:
Hi Jay,

A bunch of us watchers have been putting our heads together to try and give you a hand with this safe thing. We haven't come up with anything really definite, but some clever users have thought of a few that might be worth trying if you're stumped.

4180 -- from the twitpic date

9269 -- from YAMA, decoded from the binary clock in one of TTA's videos (I think)

1123 or 0831 -- the date and time you "woke up", respectively. Alternately, you could try out the dates of other notable events connected to all of this.

1511 -- someone did an analysis of the thumps you heard from the hotel wall the other night, and came up with "ivii"

6275, 5377, 2539, 4357, 2663 -- respectively, "mask", "Jess", "Alex", "help" and "bone" on a keypad

1111 -- someone did some crazy numerology on this one using some stuff from "Program"

4499 -- from the strange timestamps at the end of Entry 26

Anyways, I hope one of these helps. They're kind of wild mass guessing in some cases. If you try any of them, let us know one way or another so we can cross them off of our crazy list of things to speculate on.

Best of luck, Jay.

-JKat


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guillaume
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 		inb4 use debug mode to get into the safe, all hotel safes have them posted somewhere(usually on the bottom of the safe)

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 		Why doesn't he go to a LockSmith or Auto-Auto Repair they will drill the safe open if they have to.

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Dr. Leonard Mengele
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SadlyChamo wrote:
Why doesn't he go to a LockSmith or Auto-Auto Repair they will drill the safe open if they have to.


I responded to this in the Entry 28 topic.

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Dr. Leonard Mengele wrote:
SadlyChamo wrote:
Why doesn't he go to a LockSmith or Auto-Auto Repair they will drill the safe open if they have to.


I responded to this in the Entry 28 topic.

Yeah I didn't see this topic until after I posted it there lol srry Razz

edit:I love your avatar I made a poor SM skin, I've tried to make TTA but I couldn't make his mask right

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 		First off, hi all, this is my first ARG I'm playing. This Marble Hornets stuff is a lot of fun.

Second, I suspect that the odd twitter pictures are the key to solving this one, as they are the latest thing TTA has sent.

The first one, http://twitpic.com/31g2ab , is dated Oct 28, 2010. It's a picture of graffiti of a cam corder with Xs in the lens and "Smile for the camera" written around it. I think there might be more text on the wall that's hidden by the color filters, but I haven't had time to look.

The second one, http://twitpic.com/32u8yg , is dated Nov 1, 2010. It's a picture of TTA with a slight motion blur. There are scratches next to him that come to 23 with the operator's symbol after that. Arranged like this...

-IIII- -IIII-
-IIII- -IIII-
-IIII- -IIII-
-IIII- -IIII-
III (x)

...this may be a reference to entry 23 or something connected to the safe.

The third, http://twitpic.com/37i5t2 , is dated Nov 17, 2010. It's a picture of a forest with letters scratched into the photo. The letters are arranged...

M
V K E
n b

I don't quite grasp these codes, but going under the assumption that TTA locked the safe, I think they hold the key to opening it. EDIT: wait, I get the third one, it spells "wake up", upside down. I didn't see that until I typed it.

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Bingo Zero wrote:
First off, hi all, this is my first ARG I'm playing. This Marble Hornets stuff is a lot of fun.

Second, I suspect that the odd twitter pictures are the key to solving this one, as they are the latest thing TTA has sent.

The first one, http://twitpic.com/31g2ab , is dated Oct 28, 2010. It's a picture of graffiti of a cam corder with Xs in the lens and "Smile for the camera" written around it. I think there might be more text on the wall that's hidden by the color filters, but I haven't had time to look.

The second one, http://twitpic.com/32u8yg , is dated Nov 1, 2010. It's a picture of TTA with a slight motion blur. There are scratches next to him that come to 23 with the operator's symbol after that. Arranged like this...

-IIII- -IIII-
-IIII- -IIII-
-IIII- -IIII-
-IIII- -IIII-
III (x)

...this may be a reference to entry 23 or something connected to the safe.

The third, http://twitpic.com/37i5t2 , is dated Nov 17, 2010. It's a picture of a forest with letters scratched into the photo. The letters are arranged...

M
V K E
n b

I don't quite grasp these codes, but going under the assumption that TTA locked the safe, I think they hold the key to opening it. EDIT: wait, I get the third one, it spells "wake up", upside down. I didn't see that until I typed it.


Yeah, I've been looking at the twitter pictures again to see if there are any clues there. If we are supposed to solve the mystery of the combination at this juncture we should have enough information to narrow it down to at least get close to 10-12 good guesses.

Now then, there are 3 images and 4 numbers for the safe combination. That means that one image accounts for 2 digits or another "hint" was going to be posted but Jay either changed his password before that could happen, or it is to be given later.

"Smile for the camera" picture was the trailhead to the second season. Beyond that, little has been done with speculation as to what it could mean. Assuming it relates to the safe code then the most notable feature of image is that it is distorted so that the drawing of the camera is doubled.

This means that it's clue would be a 2.

Next up is the 23 image. 23 tally marks followed by an operator symbol. The 23 tally marks was assumed to mean that the series would officially start on the 23rd of November 2010. Which it did. However, if we assume it relates to safe code, then 23 may be part of the safe code.

However, there is another oddity in the image which may lead to an alternative representative number. That is that all tally marks for the first 2 lines are roughly the same height. However, the 3 tally marks on the last line are of increasing length (from left to right). I'm not sure if the increasing lengths mean anything significant. However, since those 3 tally marks stand out, they might be pointing to 3 being the clue for this image.

As for the last image, make a few transformations (invert then flip), the letters are in the form of a '4'. This could means that the last image is hinting towards a 4.

Alternatively, if you make the proper transformations to read "wake up", there are now 2 symbols that are not letters (inverted 'n' and inverted 'v'). These letters could be a hint that the number for this image is 2, or that there are 2 numbers for this image. In the case of the later they could be interpreted as 1 and 4 (corresponding to the numbers on a telephone pad), or 2 and 5 (corresponding to the index in the word "wakeup" or in left to right, up to down order in the images original orientation).

Now then, the list of possible numbers from this far-fetched analysis:

2
23 or 3
4 or 14 or 25

Thus, if we assume order is determined by the order in which the images were posted, and all clues are present then we get one of the following:

2234
2314
2325

If we make no assumption as to their ordering, but assume all clues are present then we get one of the following in addition to the above:

2423
2324
2342
4223
4232
2143
3214
3142
1423
1432
2253
3225
3252
2523
2532

Of course, the fact that this Masky would leave hints to the safe combination implies one of 3 possibilities. Either that Jay is Masky, Masky lured Jay to that particular room to pick something up, or Masky was traveling with Jay.

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 		Well, I took Bingo Zero's advice and messed with the colors to see if I could find anything. I found what looks to be a 4 digit number:

810#

810 is relatively clear, but I could not make out the last number. It looks like a '#', but safemark does not include the pound symbol on their pads. I would try to clean up the image more, but I have things I need to do, so I that will have to wait until I get to it later or until someone else does it.

Well, here's hoping I'm not chasing ghosts.
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Makdee wrote:
Well, I took Bingo Zero's advice and messed with the colors to see if I could find anything. I found what looks to be a 4 digit number:

810#

810 is relatively clear, but I could not make out the last number. It looks like a '#', but safemark does not include the pound symbol on their pads. I would try to clean up the image more, but I have things I need to do, so I that will have to wait until I get to it later or until someone else does it.

Well, here's hoping I'm not chasing ghosts.


Looks more like 691 to me...

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