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 		Retarded might be a bit strong. But, yeah. And I keep wondering why Alan was such a dry character this time around. It's like he's a laserdisk player that's been on "pause" for 20 years.
If they had had him and Lora interact with Sam as would-be surrogate parents who realize they'll never be close to Sam but keep trying out of respect for Kevin,it would have been way better than that yawner in the cargo unit by Alan. Maybe dinner at their place and then the pager hand-off in the den, afterwords. Alan would have been much more a real person, that way.
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 		Just saw today and now that it is all over, I came away feeling good about it. Mind you this ain't a thinking action man's movie like Inception but boy was the action and effects sure amazing to see in IMAX 3D. Plot was felt like there should have been but I will talk about that more in my spoiler section of this post. In fairness I really dont know why Tron's RT ranking is lower than Avatar's, considering that Avatar had a plot that was unoriginal but had effects that saved it. Just hope people understand that and still go and watch it. Now on to my spoilerish stuff
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The beginning: I felt that they should have done more with the beginning. They could have at least moved the flashbacks to the first part of the movie and made it look cohesive. I mean Kevin had already introduced Clu and Tron to the audience and Sam, so why not just show Flynn being trapped in the Grid? I dont know. Maybe it would have taken the suspense out of the movie but God I needed to see more Tron somehow. Would have also probably shocked the audience more to see the title character taken out on the get go.

Also why bother with making Evolution or Betrayal if the history that they made is disregarded in the movie? At least have another flashback if you have to explain it. I know that they are just a way to help viewers enjoy the movie, but whatever, its a movie right?

The ISO plotline was weak. It felt like they should have done away with it and just made Quorra a very special program.

Other omissions bugged me too. No bits? I mean really? Come on disney, it was like one of the best parts of the original movie! Funny that there was no mention of the Flynn Lives group. I would think they would have at least mentioned the group in like a news story or something. also, no gridbugs and the Tanks were not even really seen.

The ending really did surprise me. Kevin supposely sacrificing for his son was a sad scene to see. And While I know that when I watch the Tron movies I need to suspend my disbelief but geez, did they really just bring a digitized being and made her flesh and blood? I just can't comprehend it. Curse my feeble mind.

Looking at this movie and the way it ends, it feels as if Legacy was suppose to be the end to an epic trilogy, almost like the original Star Wars, except there is no Empire Strikes Back. What should have been done is that Evolution and Betrayal should have been a movie and blam, there is your trilogy.

If or when they do a sequel, I want them to be back on the public ENCOM servers. None of this private server stuff. I want them to kinda have enviroments like the original movie had to show the difference between Flynn's and Encom's. Dillienger's son will have be part of the plot as well, just to have a Sark Jr running around. Quorra will need to be a big part as well otherwise she is just going to be eyecandy. And bring back Kevin and show a redeemed Tron. There is no way you can convince me that they killed off Kevin and Tron is no longer a main focus in the story.
Also bring this back:


Man I had a lot to say didnt I? Hope I didn't piss off any of you guys with my giant post.

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Retarded might be a bit strong. But, yeah. And I keep wondering why Alan was such a dry character this time around. It's like he's a laserdisk player that's been on "pause" for 20 years.
If they had had him and Lora interact with Sam as would-be surrogate parents who realize they'll never be close to Sam but keep trying out of respect for Kevin,it would have been way better than that yawner in the cargo unit by Alan. Maybe dinner at their place and then the pager hand-off in the den, afterwords. Alan would have been much more a real person, that way.


Yeah, retarded was a bit strong, but she wasn't even mentioned (minus the beginning) And with her designing the encom tower and all? There needed to be more.

Regarding Alan, I couldn't agree more. Plus that would also have given Cindy Morgan an opportunity to make an appearance. Maybe Alan will be better in Tron 3 (with tron coming back and all)
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Vector53 wrote:
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The beginning: I felt that they should have done more with the beginning. They could have at least moved the flashbacks to the first part of the movie and made it look cohesive. I mean Kevin had already introduced Clu and Tron to the audience and Sam, so why not just show Flynn being trapped in the Grid? I dont know. Maybe it would have taken the suspense out of the movie but God I needed to see more Tron somehow. Would have also probably shocked the audience more to see the title character taken out on the get go.

Too true. The name of the movie is 'Tron' but I doubt many understand why. Seeing as Tron was seen very little, with no back story. And when sam did get 'rezzed' I found it to be insanely lame. He just kinda... appeared.

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The ISO plotline was weak. It felt like they should have done away with it and just made Quorra a very special program.

The ISO story makes CLU seem evil. It also makes Quorra seem special immediately with no explanation.

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Other omissions bugged me too. No bits? I mean really? Come on disney, it was like one of the best parts of the original movie!

I can't be sure, but I think the fireworks were bits.

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IGNORANCE wrote:
Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
Retarded might be a bit strong. But, yeah. And I keep wondering why Alan was such a dry character this time around. It's like he's a laserdisk player that's been on "pause" for 20 years.
If they had had him and Lora interact with Sam as would-be surrogate parents who realize they'll never be close to Sam but keep trying out of respect for Kevin,it would have been way better than that yawner in the cargo unit by Alan. Maybe dinner at their place and then the pager hand-off in the den, afterwords. Alan would have been much more a real person, that way.


Yeah, retarded was a bit strong, but she wasn't even mentioned (minus the beginning) And with her designing the encom tower and all? There needed to be more.

Regarding Alan, I couldn't agree more. Plus that would also have given Cindy Morgan an opportunity to make an appearance. Maybe Alan will be better in Tron 3 (with tron coming back and all)


Again, this is explained in the prequel comic book that Lora left to Washington for a job but she is still with Alan in 1989. But of course the movie acts as if she never existed. They could have added something in the script to have Alan mentioned her when he was talking to Sam, but they didn't so oh well. Once again, movie tie-ins sometimes never actually tie in with the movie. When I start thinking about this, I wonder if they will ever use the Tron 2.0 idea that Alan and Lora got married and had a son Jet Bradley.

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IGNORANCE wrote:
Okay, so am I the only one who found it ABSOLUTELY RETARDED that Jordan Flynn was mentioned only once? I thought the entire reason Kevin was going into the grid was because he was trying to recreate her. Or am I crazy?


That's the Thing he Has. I'm guessing not many people seem to understand this. Kevin created this place however you have to remember that the iso's were self created but co-existed within the grid/sea of simulation. CLU thought of them as a virus and eradicated them for the fact the he was created to build the perfect system just how kevin envisioned but realized it's impossible until it dawned on him that it was already apparent (Quorra/the creation of the iso) hence the reason why he told sam to take her with him as she holds the key to many future riddles in the possible third film.

As for the bits, heck they were everywhere; fireworks and his sanctuary. there were lots of nods to the og film as well other than the door, the light cycle scene, the light jet scene then of course the kicker was the dood was in the system (you're messing with my zen thing man). I don't know i'm glad i saw it twice for free I may just use my free pass & see it next weekend with the missus as well otherwise i'll stick to seeing 127 hours.

On another note, the graphic novel essentially told the story of the movie if you think about it. I have yet to complete the game however from my understanding that's the key as to how tron became rinzler but then again it's a given towards the last scene of the movie when they realize what clu did with the programs; he would re-purpose them just what he would have done to Tron.

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 		Wow. Just got back from seeing it in 2D, and after reading all of the debate about 3D I think I know what I'm going to be doing tomorrow night. Very Happy

Overall I thought that it was epic. I went in thinking the visuals were going to be astounding, and I wasn't disappointed. Every detail was so intricate, so thought through, that I could just look at the set designs for ages.

The plot made me tilt my head a few times, but the action was great enough that I was fine with it. And, the action wasn't too crazy, like Transformers RotF. The use of all that black in the Grid made sure the action never went over the top.

But did anyone else find Bruce Boxleitner's acting extremely stiff? Every scene I saw him in I cringed. He seemed more into the role at the San Francisco event thingie. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he was there, but... I don't know. Maybe it was just me. (holds up shield)

And I'm also glad they found room to put humor into the story. It didn't get too philosophical, and I was so glad for that.

tl;dr:
Movie was EPIC. loved the action and humor, but not the thin plot and Bruce Boxleitner.

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IGNORANCE wrote:
Vector53 wrote:
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The beginning: I felt that they should have done more with the beginning. They could have at least moved the flashbacks to the first part of the movie and made it look cohesive. I mean Kevin had already introduced Clu and Tron to the audience and Sam, so why not just show Flynn being trapped in the Grid? I dont know. Maybe it would have taken the suspense out of the movie but God I needed to see more Tron somehow. Would have also probably shocked the audience more to see the title character taken out on the get go.

Too true. The name of the movie is 'Tron' but I doubt many understand why. Seeing as Tron was seen very little, with no back story. And when sam did get 'rezzed' I found it to be insanely lame. He just kinda... appeared.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The ISO plotline was weak. It felt like they should have done away with it and just made Quorra a very special program.

The ISO story makes CLU seem evil. It also makes Quorra seem special immediately with no explanation.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Other omissions bugged me too. No bits? I mean really? Come on disney, it was like one of the best parts of the original movie!

I can't be sure, but I think the fireworks were bits.



Unfortunately these are all problems of making an epic story into only about 2 hours of movie. Sad I cant wait to read the Betrayal comic - hopefully there's some good info on the story there. I just know its a prequelish story to what happens with Clu and Flynn.

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Deadboy619 wrote:
IGNORANCE wrote:
Vector53 wrote:
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The beginning: I felt that they should have done more with the beginning. They could have at least moved the flashbacks to the first part of the movie and made it look cohesive. I mean Kevin had already introduced Clu and Tron to the audience and Sam, so why not just show Flynn being trapped in the Grid? I dont know. Maybe it would have taken the suspense out of the movie but God I needed to see more Tron somehow. Would have also probably shocked the audience more to see the title character taken out on the get go.

Too true. The name of the movie is 'Tron' but I doubt many understand why. Seeing as Tron was seen very little, with no back story. And when sam did get 'rezzed' I found it to be insanely lame. He just kinda... appeared.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The ISO plotline was weak. It felt like they should have done away with it and just made Quorra a very special program.

The ISO story makes CLU seem evil. It also makes Quorra seem special immediately with no explanation.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Other omissions bugged me too. No bits? I mean really? Come on disney, it was like one of the best parts of the original movie!

I can't be sure, but I think the fireworks were bits.



Unfortunately these are all problems of making an epic story into only about 2 hours of movie. Sad I cant wait to read the Betrayal comic - hopefully there's some good info on the story there. I just know its a prequelish story to what happens with Clu and Flynn.

Trust me when I say this: Betrayal would have been very intriguing to have on the movie screen. Once you read it, you would agree with me as well. It so helps clear up somethings but not all of them. Evolution also helps even though most of the plot is nonexistant in that one.

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 		I think it was visually stunning movie that needs to be seen in IMAX in 3D. The 3D is subtle and adds a layer of depth like some of the themes of the movie that I think most critics missed when they call it an incomprehensible plot. Unlike Pocohontas in Space last year the plot didn't hit you over the head with the themes (Last year it was pretty easy to follow Greedy white man invades kill natives, Military bad, Ecoterrorism good)

On the surface it is the typical Joesph Campbell Hero's Journey: reluctant Hero (sam) gets a message(page to Alan Bradley) to set him off on his quest, meets wise old wizard (kevin) and mythical creature (Quorra) on the way to defeat the baddie (Clu) and save the kingdom along the way a lost warrior returns to the light to redeem himself. But deeper it is the primal story mix of Lucifer trying to overthrow God and rule the kingdom of heaven and Hitler trying to rule the world with his perfect solution. Clu is not some cookie cutter mustache twirling villain at his base core he is the illegitimate son trying to win the love and respect of his father and know he did right. He does what he does fanatically because he is limited by his program, he can't think outside the box and hates the Iso because they now have God's love (who also have free will like Man)

Have we solved the uncanny valley with Clu (Bridge's deaging) not completely but at the same time we know he is a program limited by that programing code so the fact he looks a little off actually works for me.

definitely go see it in the theater, the acting is not Shakespeare, but did anyone compare Mark Hamill in Star Wars to Laurence Olivier? Tron has always held a special place in my heart as that is about the time I started programing (BASIC on a TRS-80) and it showed the wonders of the inside of computer. Tron Legacy is the next evolution has us question what is digital life, with all out social and virtual interactions of cyberspace these days does our cyberself represent us or something more.

Now with the grid existing on Sam's neck server what new evolution will it take place? What is the future for Quorra? Did Kevin's final embrace/rectication with Clu jump start a new ISO life in the sea of simulation (sort of like the monolith causing Jupiter into a Sun to support life on Europa in 2010) Will Dillinger leave Encom to start his own company to rival Sam?

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minterbartolo wrote:
Tron has always held a special place in my heart as that is about the time I started programing (BASIC on a TRS-80) and it showed the wonders of the inside of computer. Tron Legacy is the next evolution has us question what is digital life, with all out social and virtual interactions of cyberspace these days does our cyberself represent us or something more.

Nicely said, this is my opinion also (except I began with BASIC on a C64 Smile
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minterbartolo wrote:
Unlike Pocohontas in Space last year the plot didn't hit you over the head with the themes (Last year it was pretty easy to follow Greedy white man invades kill natives, Military bad, Ecoterrorism good)


That is win.
That is the best description of Avatar ever.
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Euchre wrote:
minterbartolo wrote:
Unlike Pocohontas in Space last year the plot didn't hit you over the head with the themes (Last year it was pretty easy to follow Greedy white man invades kill natives, Military bad, Ecoterrorism good)


That is win.
That is the best description of Avatar ever.
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Pocohontas in Space...
Fern Gully in Space...
Dances With Wolves in Space...

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emeraldbeacon wrote:
Euchre wrote:
minterbartolo wrote:
Unlike Pocohontas in Space last year the plot didn't hit you over the head with the themes (Last year it was pretty easy to follow Greedy white man invades kill natives, Military bad, Ecoterrorism good)


That is win.
That is the best description of Avatar ever.
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Pocohontas in Space...
Fern Gully in Space...
Dances With Wolves in Space...

Live Action version of Battle for Terra

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minterbartolo wrote:
Unlike Pocohontas in Space last year the plot didn't hit you over the head with the themes (Last year it was pretty easy to follow Greedy white man invades kill natives, Military bad, Ecoterrorism good)


Indeed, that's one of the primary differences between the two: Avatar was heavy handed and pretentious on top of being shallow and derivative, where TRON: Legacy may not have had the most original story, but it never pretended to be anything brilliant or world changing, it just tried to be fun, and I feel it succeeded in that respect.

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