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[PUZZLE TRAIL] "Torment"
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tripitaka
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The other blocks

Anyway FWIW here is a possible "solve" of the little (4x6) puzzle that someone linked to in the Tweleve thread http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=4c91dad9-0127-4c4d-8153-0d29c0dd9879 The puzzle clue was "FUCH"

Assuming that shadows are important (see my post above) then there are four highlighted letters: EWCJ

If we can grant the idea that letters are printed in either red or blue/black then, reading left to right from from the top left corner, J is preceded by two letters of the same color, C is immediately after a snail/slug, W is preceded by 2 letters of the same color, E is preceded by 1 letter of the same color:

J(2), C(0), W(2), E(1)

If these represent letter transpositions (a la ROT) then we might try a rule like odds=forwards, evens=backwards:

EWCJ ------> FUCH

Impossible to know with such a little puzzle whether that is a legitimate solve but I haven't seen anyone else post an attempt.

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Bilal
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44Guest wrote:
Has it ever been discussed that on some pages, if you highlight everything, the word torment is in the corner? Could this have something to do with anything at all? Some pages have it and others do not.


I only saw this on 3 pages...and it was later on in our path so I think that it was a way for usknow we are on the right path...


@tripitaka - I will work on your idea this weekend if you havent already. In remembering the "Try Blew" clue we now have the direction to go in.

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Bilal
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Anyone home?

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Hi, I've been following this the thread for about the last year. I've made it all the way to the blocks now and it seems like there are too many possible routes to go down.

Obviously someone stated that childsplay was a solution and then myrrh but there is no way of knowing if these are real or not.. Can myrrh be used on any other page other than the the one following the blocks?

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DrNewcenstein
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Took a (2 year) break from this but always had it on my mind Very Happy

Looking at the FUCH image, I'm immediately seeing that all the Ws and Ks are directly touching each other.

I'm also noting a correlation between loetter rotation and nearby rabbit position.

Looking at the top center of the image, notice the three Ps - they're in 3 of 4 possible directions.

Reading the letters in their proper orientation, then proceeding to the next letter (reading left to right), then when you reach a directional change (letter or rabbit) reading continues in that direction.

For example, note the 2nd line (Rabbit W K Rabbit).

This would read as
Rabbit (since it's right-side-up)
W (rotated CW 90 degrees)
Up to the next W (which is right-side-up)
which leads to another rabbit (turned CCW 90 deg)
thus leading to the P in the same orientation
which leads to an upside down bunny, which means reading will now proceed to the left, which leads to another P
which is rotated, and therefore leads to another P, which is rotated again which leads to the N, and thus the end of the "sentence" since you've hit the edge.

So you end up with the letters WWPPPN


Applying this to the full Blocks puzzle may lead to a solution.

However, there's still the BLEW "tip", which may or may not point to Tyler.

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DrNewcenstein
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Been catching up on Tweleve. I left off at page 30-something couple of years ago. Finally read back up to about page 70. Still got reading to do there Laughing

Interesting discussions so far, but I think quite a few obvious things are being misconstrued. I'll wait to see if they're resolved before I post my thoughts there.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:47 pm
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DrNewcenstein
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So let's recap:

WACEPHWBZBYEFPCULJ
EZFIMOQTAKATFBXMLDQJ
RPNCLYMBRFGGDNSRW
MJTPSVTYIXHZCQKLQGUJF
LMRDMSCGNBYZRRMFUEWVI
OJTPLJMSYEBINKAKCF
CYEFAWPBLMKTHLPVEIT
FARJHVYYDONSASPMRF
SRSJQVWINGQBRYGDEYP
LRMBHHVYTMDDSBEPCGK
WUBMZJUAWTQNNXGI
EYSMKBFFCOKACRCGHHPWY
LVDENDSMLLJBBEGPFPC
AWCATLKAAUPPDOZFTJVF
ACYUWUFMPLDEKPVJSBIH
MJCDWKQEACVNNRLKBGGZ
WWJPMMDXAAWTLQZE
FLQBETOTNLPYVIK
RSWBQCPCSLTIRATVOKK
TVJSRUCHIFLMDUFCAEXY
BWEZFGLDECBVKEAKWABT
RAYFLGOVIQNPGRMJQK
PSNTCMPJHQBQYCQSLZV
WCERPUVYJIJRPVCDK
SYFSPVKFBEAQQKLLFF

These are the letters in each column minus the rabbits/markers.

Using the Keyed Caesarian at rimkin:
http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/caesar-keyed.php

With this key:
WBTYLERACDFGHIJKMNOPQSUVXZ

I get this:

AHIFTMABZBDFKTIWEO
FZKNQSUCHPHCKBYQEJUO
GTRIEDQBGKLLJRVGA
QOCTVXCDNYMZIUPEULWOK
EQGJQVILRBDZGGQKWFAXN
SOCTEOQVDFBNRPHPIK
IDFKHATBEQPCMETXFNC
KHGOMXDDJSRVHVTQGK
VGVOUXANRLUBGDLJFDT
EGQBMMXDCQJJVBFTILP
AWBQZOWHACURRYLN
FDVQPBKKISPHIGILMMTAD
EXJFRJVQEEOBBFLTKTI
HAIHCEPHHWTTJSZKCOXK
HIDWAWKQTEJFPTXOVBNM
QOIJAPUFHIXRRGEPBLLZ
AAOTQQJYHHACEUZF
KEUBFCSCRETDXNP
GVABUITIVECNGHCXSPP
CXOVGWIMNKEQJWKIHFYD
BAFZKLEJFIBXPFHPAHBC
GHDKELSXNURTLGQOUP
TVRCIQTOMUBUDIUVEZX
AIFGTWXDONOGTXIJP
VDKVTXPKBFHUUPEEKK

The words in bold (SUCH and TRIED) are clear, and given their placement/proximity support the notion they're correct within the context of the entire puzzle being deciphered.

The underlined word (CURRY) could be part of a larger word (SCURRYING, as in "with your silly knees bent SCURRYING about the internet looking for clues"), or perhaps might only be a partial decoding (hURRY, CaRRY, etc).

The italicized and underlined parts (CSCRET and ITIVE) are extremely close to "secret" and either "initiative" or "intuitive" (which is more probable if you include the nearby letter "u").


And if you haven't read the whole thing:
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/POE/shadow.html

I urge you to do so, because merely focusing your mind on the snippets GG has posted is incorrect. You have to understand not just those lines and where they came from, but how they fit into the whole, as well as how the text as a whole applies to this puzzle.

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DrNewcenstein
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http://newcenstein.com/torment/Blocks-CaesarShift-0-25.txt

Here's the blocks with all 26 Keyed Caesar shifts (0-25) using the WBTYLER keyed alphabet above.


If you go through each shift, you can find at least one clear word.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:17 pm
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DrNewcenstein
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I'm going now through the same rotations but with the keyword at the end of the alphabet, and from what's come up so far, it looks like the last column (AQQKLLFF) is a date arranged in YYYY/DD/MM or YYYY/MM/DD.

One of the results came up with ANNIXXDD.

That's the only explanation I can come up with for the double double-letters.

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DrNewcenstein
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Genius that I am (not), I completely overlooked the fact that putting the WBTYLER keyword at the end of the alphabet would yield the same results as having it at the front, just in a different order Laughing

However, going back to the Shadow: A Parable text, the number 7 is mentioned several times (794th year, company of 7, 7 lamps on the wall, etc)

Even WBTYLER is 7 letters.

The ANNIXXDD I mentioned appears on Shift=7


ooooh spooky :p

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Bilal
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and of course 794 is 7 and 7 X 7 reversed.. 7 (49) REVERSED..
&94

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DrNewcenstein
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Bilal wrote:
and of course 794 is 7 and 7 X 7 reversed.. 7 (49) REVERSED..
&94


(cue "dun dun DUUUUN!" music)

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NaturensGalleri
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The Blocks

Taking the F.U.C.H. numbers from Geocache - 22525 00942 47674 - let's put those like this:

2
2
5
25
0
0
9
4
24
7
6
7
4

Given that it's already been established there are 25 puzzles (including the Blocks) and 25 rows of said blocks, this arrangement fits within the structure of the entire Torment chain.

Now, we take those numbers and assign them to their respective puzzle numbers (i.e. #2 was the Angel in the forest, 0 is the title page). Next we write the answers that led to each puzzle (which would be the name of the page that puzzle is on) next to each number (which will not be done here for obvious reasons).
Go ahead. I'll wait.
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Done yet?
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Ok, so now we have our list, let's look at them for how they relate to an encryption method used in Torment:

2 Rotation (based on the answer from puzzle #1, not the method used to find that answer)
2 Rotation (again, same reason)
5 the answer to the puzzle, which is a word that has a specific meaning in a certain language
25 Anagram
0 Rotation (0=beginning, which in this case means repeat the first step)
0 Rotation
9 The-Book-Of-The-Film reference (not giving spoilers, but those who know, know)
4 Rot-13
24 famous location
7 The-Book-Of-The-Film reference again
6 famous location (close to target of puzzle #6?)
7 The-Book-Of-The-Film reference
4 Rot-13

Breaking down this even further, we start at the top of the list and use a standard Rotation cipher on the first line, which is WACEPHWBZBYEFPCULJ
Take that response and Rotate it the same way to get UYHWLEWAJFBCXPZEXCBP

Now, there's a word hidden in there, and that word is an anagram. Let's use the numbers that GG left us at Geocache and extract these letters:
225250094247674
yylyljwywweww (Zero is a space, or blank spot, so we have 2 spaces - let's close them up as they're just meant to distract us)

Next, we find the hidden anagram. We see a lot of Ys and Ws. There's also a couple of Ls.
Speaking it phonetically we see Ys (Wise), J, E, Ws (Jews), and Ls (ells) - so we get wisejewsells - A Wise Jew Sells.

What we're looking for here is "wisejewsells", so let's put that in our Rotating blender and spin it, then spin that answer to get seesijslwewl.

Now we arrive at our Rot-13 step, and we get frrfvwfyjrjy.

Remembering that this is all about obfuscation - hiding in plain sight - we go with the obvious: France. (.fr is the W3C code for France)

This, of course, is the Famous Location for the next step.

Sticking with the theme earlier in the game, we know this is where we get into a related series of parts. We know we're in France, and the Book deals mostly with a certain city in France, and specifically a certain Museum in said city, but we're looking for something specific from the book that relates directly to Torment.

How about the number that was written on the floor? 1123581321

Put this in a Letter Number cipher to get AAWEHACU.

Now we come to the last step: another Rot-13.
And we arrive at: NNJRUNPH

Repeat that entire process for each line, and join me at the next puzzle.

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DrNewcenstein
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Yay 4-chan.

I'm pleased someone thought enough of my old (2007) joke to repost it there, but really now.

Oddly, though, it's becoming somewhat of a prophetic joke, if my translations of the blocks are correct thus far.

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Squaiid
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Story time.

I admire all of your dedication. I attempted this puzzle 3 years ago, it took up a huge amount of my time from when I was about 15 until I was about 16. Me and my friend managed to get to the blocks with the the girl there. That is where I walked away from my torment, and I got kicked out of that school, upon moving to my new school, no one seemed interested in it, and with no one to physically sit with and work through them with, I threw away all hope, now coming here, and jumping from page 26 > 50, a smile came across my face as I leap across a 4 year gap. And this, my tormented brothers, is why I decided to take up this beloved pass time of ours.
Very Happy

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