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[MrFett]

Gramma wrote

[r.m]

With the amount of info we have now - Josh's father could be either man. I agree with gramma on the deplorable injustices that would have made it unlikely for a black man to reach any higher level position at the time we're assuming this picture was taken. However if someone possesses the right type of knowledge/skills in a particular area he/she will be allowed access and used to meet ends - doesn't mean he will be treated well in the process or get due credit (like Vivien Thomas whose story was told in Something the Lord Made). The comments mysterio made in the chat about Josh's dad treating him well when others didn't makes sense for the white man to be Josh's dad.

The problem I have with the white man being the father is if mysterio is uploading this picture expecting Josh to "know" it is his dad, what identifiable characteristics are there on this partly seen man to prove it?

[r.m]

Sorry, I forgot to say in last post -- thanks Jane, super3vlll, and eebygumlad for the great photoshopping and pictures. Jane's idea about the pin being the monkey pin is interesting.

[kelwhite01]

It sort of looks to me like the man standing, from what I can see, looks older - 50ish, from the mouth and sagging jowls. Seems too old to be Josh's dad and would put him into his 80's for present day.

Somewhat OOG - the actor in the photo is Glynn Turman.

[Xeno Lambrose]

When I looked again at the photo Josh uploaded to Mysterio showing the copy of Moby Dick he had been sent, the coloration of his thumb looks quite plausible for Josh being of mixed ethnicity. And surely his mother would have had a photo of her husband, Josh would be able to ID the photo Mysterio presented him.

And what are the tie-ins other than that? The badge with "TROGL" is certainly that of the African American, and "TROGL" was what was penned upon the Moby Dick copy sent to him.

I can't see the monkey brooch in the photo, but it would certainly be fitting, though you would have thought Josh's mother would have told Josh how much that brooch meant to her because it was something her father used to wear.

Going against that thought is this: with the predjudice that has existed in this country toward blacks, wearing an image of a monkey would be the last thing that I would have done if I were Minker, Sr., unless it had some special meaning to him and he really had the cajones.

All this being said, I'm going with Josh being of mixed ethnicity, right-handed with brown, or hazel eyes. Just my 2 cents.

[kelwhite01]

Just some OOG things to clarify times and ages:

Glynn Turman born 1947 - age 32 in 1979

Josh assumed born 1963 - age 16 in 1979, makes Josh's dad age 16 at his birth - problemactic

In 1979 - racial issues weren't as bad as everyone is making them out to be. Rosa Parks - 1955 bus incident. By the 1970's women, Blacks, gays were all asserting rights, and integrating into military.

Just some ideas.
K

[Adm_BlackCat]

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[r.m]

[kelwhite01]

Thanks to all - just looking into everything IG and OOG.
K

[r.m]

Here's my take on who the other two ID badges might belong to

[Jane Smith]

I messed around with the photo a bit more but I think that it is about as good as were supposed to get it.


In any case the big melanin debate:

How close the ARG or movies want to get, skirting the horrid melanin debate, is based on how historically accurate they want to show human violence. Now to me I don't see this being a skin tone soap box.

If they dwell on the factor of this gentleman or his probable son being anything other than KEY characters regardless of their pigmentation then I will leave this experience feeling dirtied for even participating.

Now having said that, regardless of what background ethnicity or skin tone you currently have if tentacled monsters were to come down and attempt to destroy earth.. What race are you? I think the point with this subject is to include us all as the human race.

I personally use fiction to utilize ALL of my hopes, dreams and fantasy to create a wonderful adventure and although there may be points of despair the goal is to get off of this rock and transcend the soul or at least learn from the past.

If we always point out the differences that's all we're ever going to see.
Jane

[Xeno Lambrose]

Josh's father and mother not married?

[Melodyman]

Gotta believe that ol Al Minker is the black fellow.. If you were going to send someone a photo of their long lost dad, you wouldnt send them a partial pic of him and a full face photo of a stranger, would you? I mean, that would be kinda cruel..
They were careful to cut the photo off just above the pic on his badge..guess they dont want us to make that conx yet.. and now that the word TROGL has appeared on the dark skinned badge as well as the Minker Classic Comic book, it seems to leave little doubt that Al, or Alvy. or Abe Minker is the black dude in the photo.