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[FILM] Reviews (spoilers)
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CalebH2010
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minterbartolo wrote:

emeraldbeacon wrote:

Euchre wrote:

minterbartolo wrote:

Unlike Pocohontas in Space last year the plot didn't hit you over the head with the themes (Last year it was pretty easy to follow Greedy white man invades kill natives, Military bad, Ecoterrorism good)

That is win.
That is the best description of Avatar ever.
Laughing

Pocohontas in Space...
Fern Gully in Space...
Dances With Wolves in Space...

Live Action version of Battle for Terra

The perfect animated companion to Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth".

Anyway, saw Tron Legacy again last night, in Real-D (IMAX was sold out Mad

). I noticed more prominent 3D sequences, but it was as loud or as crisp a picture. The police station scene, when Sam goes to get his bike and talks to the impound guy, I could hear Sam say the hi to the guy, but could barely hear the guy speak to Sam. In the IMAX theater I could hear the guy talk to Sam very clearly. Don't do yourself an injustice and see this film in 2D or Real-D. It must be experienced in IMAX 3D!

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:03 pm

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since this thread's title is marked with 'spoilers' i assume a spoiler tag isn't necessary? just to be safe, i'll put them in anyways.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

here's a few things that might be up for discussion:

mirror image: kevin flynn & clu
-during kevin flynn's speech in front of his supporters & before he disappeared, he said something to the effect of "in there is our destiny" followed by open arms to the crowd.

-during clu's speech to his followers, he said "out there is our destiny" followed by open arms to the crowd.

clu is flynn's mirror image and symbolically his opposite as shown in clu's recollection of his birth, which he is reminded of when he sees his own reflection. the yang to the yin. the glowing meditation balls clu holds during the grid games shows him mirroring kevin's zen meditation.

-foreshadow: kevin told sam he'd give it all up just for one more day with him.

-potential sequel foreshadow(?): sam telling kevin he will get him out. data forensics & recovery?

-could there be a backstory to the two bits on the mantle? perhaps they were once alive or just symbols of the past system?

tron:
-during clu's ambush, tron grabs another identity disc but notices it doesn't change to his colour. perhaps it had a clu program or virus made to infect tron at that point. clu's colour is different now, during that ambush.

-tron fell into the sea of simulation while the grid collapsed into itself. if the sea is symbolic of the servers holding the grid and sam transferred the grid to the necklace, where is tron? still in the servers or in the necklace?

continuity & other questions:
-is sam is wearing the same outfit that was shredded by the sirens? so then what happens to the grid outfits when they re-enter this world? in the original movie, the suits were separate but the system was also different.

-and how did quorra get a different outfit?

-when a number is disconnected for 28 years, isn't it re-used? how are they able to hold on to a number then sam re-activating it? unless alan misspoke and meant it hasn't been used in a long time.

-is the grid offline/paused while in storage or still running(tron cycles of time)?

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:57 pm

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Just got back from my local IMAX 3D showing. It freaking RULED!

10/10, NO "BUT"S ABOUT IT!

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:03 pm

CalebH2010
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blackfeathers wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

the glowing meditation balls clu holds during the grid games shows him mirroring kevin's zen meditation.

I took that as Clu controlling Rinzler like a puppet. Those balls were the "strings"...

blackfeathers wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

tron:
-during clu's ambush, tron grabs another identity disc but notices it doesn't change to his colour. perhaps it had a clu program or virus made to infect tron at that point. clu's colour is different now, during that ambush.

Tron is not a user. Only users (and Clu) change the colors of objects on the grid.

blackfeathers wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

continuity & other questions:
-is sam is wearing the same outfit that was shredded by the sirens? so then what happens to the grid outfits when they re-enter this world? in the original movie, the suits were separate but the system was also different.

Since humans can't actually go into the Grid, it is only the human essence captured in a program. Somewhere, their physical bodies are stored or backed-up along with their clothing. So when Sam leaves the Grid, he is put back into his physical body.

I want to know about the blood. Since the Users are essentially programs when they enter the digital space, how can they bleed?

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:46 pm

minterbartolo
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CalebH2010 wrote:

blackfeathers wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

the glowing meditation balls clu holds during the grid games shows him mirroring kevin's zen meditation.

I took that as Clu controlling Rinzler like a puppet. Those balls were the "strings"...

I thought that also.

CalebH2010 wrote:

blackfeathers wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Tron is not a user. Only users (and Clu) change the colors of objects on the grid.

But in the graphic novel didn't Tron change colors to infiltrate and stop a bombing. I thought he disguised himself as a black guard at one point in issue #2.

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:13 pm

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IGNORANCE wrote:

Okay, so am I the only one who found it ABSOLUTELY RETARDED that Jordan Flynn was mentioned only once? I thought the entire reason Kevin was going into the grid was because he was trying to recreate her. Or am I crazy?

This isn't Inception.

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:20 pm

CalebH2010
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minterbartolo wrote:

CalebH2010 wrote:

blackfeathers wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Tron is not a user. Only users (and Clu) change the colors of objects on the grid.

But in the graphic novel didn't Tron change colors to infiltrate and stop a bombing. I thought he disguised himself as a black guard at one point in issue #2.

He did, but he only changed himself, not another object. I've only seen Kevin change objects colors. First in Tron, he changed himself to look like a guard, then to change back, he drew energy from Tron. In Legacy, he changed the Lightjet from red to white. That's what leads me to believe that only Users have that ability. Tron has the abliity to "shapeshift" because he's a security program.

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Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:21 pm

SkekTek
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They just came out with the numbers:

$43.6 million over the weekend.

Great news!

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:16 pm

infamous
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SkekTek wrote:

They just came out with the numbers:

$43.6 million over the weekend.

Great news!

That's estimation. I think 49mill will be final numbers.. and 43.6 mill being great news is hardly what Disney is thinking.

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:32 pm

floyd44
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Title

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Any one else notice that the title screen just said Tron? no mention of Legacy. Did they decide at the last minute to make this a re-imagining of the original. You got to admit a lot of the sequences where the same. Disc wars, light cycles, escape during the light cycle game, finding the female program to help get to the portal, sacrificing himself to let the other get to the portal, bad guy shows up at the end to try one final time to defeat. But maybe that's just every movie. still loved it!

Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:26 pm

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CalebH2010 wrote:

minterbartolo wrote:

CalebH2010 wrote:

blackfeathers wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Tron is not a user. Only users (and Clu) change the colors of objects on the grid.

But in the graphic novel didn't Tron change colors to infiltrate and stop a bombing. I thought he disguised himself as a black guard at one point in issue #2.

Heh. I always looked at it like Kevin was slightly "infected" and Tron "cured" him.

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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:43 am

IllusionOfLife
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Re: Title

floyd44 wrote:

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It's becoming increasingly common to have either an abbreviated title, or no title at all appear at the beginning of the film and instead save it for the credits. For example, Nolan's Batman films only have the Batman emblem at the beginning, and don't display the title until the credits role; Inception also saves it's title until the credits. TRON: Legacy just did something similar.

Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:31 am

thebruce
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CalebH2010 wrote:

blackfeathers wrote:

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Yes - the digitization isn't the conversion of physical organic matter to a digital entity as a 1 to 1 ratio, insomuch (as I believe) what you said, the program is the digital representation of the algorithm created from his physical entity. So in essence re-digitizing would take the stored physical form and recreate him (with whatever memory/history was created during his stay). But now we're getting way too technical, and this isn't a thinking movie. Smile

It just is.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

As for Quorra, being an ISO, and technically not being originally organic at all, I'd just chalk her appearance entirely up to to her completely independent and adaptive iso coding. The redigitizing took her algorithm, and during the physical recreation process created her 'appearance' based on that adaptive algorithm - organics, clothes, everything.

CalebH2010 wrote:

I want to know about the blood. Since the Users are essentially programs when they enter the digital space, how can they bleed?

My take is that the system is designed to treat user base-code differently than native program code. The 'blood' would then be how Flynn coded the system to distinguish users from programs (much like he designed his pad to be more 'human' with food and whatnot).

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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:52 am

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Re: Film Reviews [spoilers]
Re: pager

blackfeathers wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

-when a number is disconnected for 28 years, isn't it re-used? how are they able to hold on to a number then sam re-activating it? unless alan misspoke and meant it hasn't been used in a long time.

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

I know it's been a billion years since anyone but Alan carried a pager, but if you remember the good old days: You can punch in any number you want when you're sending the page. So CLU paged Alan with the number that was once Kevin Flynn's office number. The fact that the number may have been reassigned to something else is largely irrelevant; Alan recognized it for what it was intended to be: a message from someone to come to Flynn's Arcade.

More curious to me is the fact that someone was apparently paying the electric bill at that shut-down arcade for 21 years, so everything started right up when Sam hit the main power switch. And also that, even when the main power was off, the power to Kevin Flynn's personal computer system was on and working just fine for 21 years. Personal generator, perhaps?

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Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:23 am

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Re: Film Reviews [spoilers]
Re: pager

Shad0 wrote:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

More curious to me is the fact that someone was apparently paying the electric bill at that shut-down arcade for 21 years, so everything started right up when Sam hit the main power switch. And also that, even when the main power was off, the power to Kevin Flynn's personal computer system was on and working just fine for 21 years. Personal generator, perhaps?

I thought that at first too, but I've just come to believe that Flynn set up a backdoor connection into Encom and was sucking juice from there, written off as some hidden expense or something. If the Arcade was that important to him, then he'd make sure his work wouldn't get shut down, accidentally or intentionally. *shrug* He's resourceful, I'm sure he thought of power supply :) That or Alan was doing the utility maintenance. No idea really, but I want to believe :)

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