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[OT] Is Rinzler....Tron?
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EpcotServo
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I'm pretty sure the line is "TRON...What have you become?"

Speaking of which, some context I came away from after three viewings:

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Watching that above scene intently, I think I realized TRON's legacy the movie is named for. Flynn's been grappling with the selfless move the whole story, and after he says the above line and see TRON's actions, there is a quiet moment with him that I think speaks for him remembering and realizing how brave and selfless TRON is/was fighting for him. That's when he realizes what he has to do, and tells Quorra what he's going to do.

Hence, TRON's legacy. Like every good movie these themes repeat themselves in the film, but I think that's a nice perspective of that moment that is implied, and makes TRON more important than it would have been had he simply had more screentime.


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You know, I didn't put the two together. My interpretation works too, wonder which they intended: I assumed Flynn already had his plan in place, and that just was a segue to setting up the later situation with Quorra.

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EDGECRUSHER wrote:
"What have you become, Tron?"


I knew he said that! I doubted for some reason
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This time, I totally picked it up this beautiful detail...
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When Rinzler says "I fight for the users!" -- It's so Bruce Boxleitner!

I wasn't all that convinced of flashback-Tron's appearance being a good likeness of Bruce, he rather looked more like some new guy... But that last line was so Bruce! =)

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Spoiler (Rollover to View):
If there was any doubt for me it was gone as soon as he said "user" It was totally Bruce.


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oh, I thought that was already clear that it was Boxleitner doing any voice/thought work for Rinzler. He probably was doing the modem sound, too.

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I'm hoping another sequel is announced and next arg is
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Tron Lives


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eolith wrote:
oh, I thought that was already clear that it was Boxleitner doing any voice/thought work for Rinzler. He probably was doing the modem sound, too.

Ya that's what I mean, it didn't click until this last viewing that Rinzler only said something at the end, and with the CG Tron not really looking anything like Bruce, to me, it just seemed like a big disconnect. Recognizing the voice this time satisfied my dissatisfaction with Tron's depiction Razz
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ah, I see your point. Yes, the rubbery CG faces were the low point of the movie.

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Re: [OT] Is Rinzler....Tron?
Re: voice

thebruce wrote:
it didn't click until this last viewing that Rinzler only said something at the end

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Rinzler says something much earlier: when he's first fighting Sam and draws blood, he says, "A user." It was unquestionably Bruce Boxleitner's voice even then, though filtered.

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Re: [OT] Is Rinzler....Tron?
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Shad0 wrote:
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Rinzler says something much earlier: when he's first fighting Sam and draws blood, he says, "A user." It was unquestionably Bruce Boxleitner's voice even then, though filtered.

True, I did hear that, but I guess it was so short and 'digital' that I just never placed Bruce's voice. Plus it was only my last viewing that I made the connection on the last phrase Smile So now, whenever I hear that, I'll hear Bruce =)
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Ok, let me clear up all queries for you people.
Rinzler is clearly a 'derezzed' version of Tron.
The change in name was nessecary so the creator would continue to think he was dead.
He was such a good fighter, clu couldn't just let him be another pawn in his army, so he made him his personal drone, just able to think more freely than those derezzed and placed into his army.
Rinzler even wears the same costume as Tron, the only difference is the colour, but his original white is restored when he falls into the data stream after an ariel fight for the last light jet with clu.

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trojan-man wrote:
Ok, let me clear up all queries for you people.
Rinzler is clearly a 'derezzed' version of Tron.
The change in name was nessecary so the creator would continue to think he was dead.
He was such a good fighter, clu couldn't just let him be another pawn in his army, so he made him his personal drone, just able to think more freely than those derezzed and placed into his army.
Rinzler even wears the same costume as Tron, the only difference is the colour, but his original white is restored when he falls into the data stream after an ariel fight for the last light jet with clu.

Wow! it's all so clear, now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NARzrbp8tW8
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"Derezzed" isnt the proper term for Rinzler...that would mean Tron was destroyed...Tron was re-purposed just like the soldiers in Clu's army.

As a side note, when Clu is about to kill Flynn in front of the portal, Clu pulls the disc in his hand back (Quorra's disc) and smashes it into the ground. It is almost the same shot as in the flashback when Clu appears to kill Tron...I'm assuming instead of killing Tron with the disc (they never show the disc come into contact with Tron), Clu just smashed the disc into the ground (off camera) and took Tron somewhere to be re-purposed.

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
trojan-man wrote:
Ok, let me clear up all queries for you people.
Rinzler is clearly a 'derezzed' version of Tron.
The change in name was nessecary so the creator would continue to think he was dead.
He was such a good fighter, clu couldn't just let him be another pawn in his army, so he made him his personal drone, just able to think more freely than those derezzed and placed into his army.
Rinzler even wears the same costume as Tron, the only difference is the colour, but his original white is restored when he falls into the data stream after an ariel fight for the last light jet with clu.

Wow! it's all so clear, now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NARzrbp8tW8


LOL!

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