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The Rogue Wolf
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Acora wrote:
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Acora wrote:
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Acora wrote:
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I feel stupid for asking (I have been away from the game forever and I honestly don't have time to go through hundreds and hundreds of pages) but... when did we find out Jeff's and Alex's parents died? And how?
I hate to be that person who doesn't want to search, but I've been searching and can't find anything Sad


Last Livestream. We got a stern talking to about their parents being dead. Then Jeff had his "Insurance money goes a long way" comment.


That comment still creeps me out omg. I don't like that at all.
You think that Jeff might have had something to do with their death?

I mean, honestly, it doesn't feel right to me, and I think that comment was just part of Jeff's dry humor, but it's a possibility.


No, I agree about the dry wit. I can;t see Jeff being involved in their death. It just creeps me out. I can't help it, I've watched too many true crime shows.
It's better then watching too much reality tv.


i thought it was just a symptom of his trauma, myself. half-joking, half-biting-the-stupid-persistent-fans-asking-personal-and-painful-questions.
That's quite possible, too.

Point is, Jeff didn't kill his parents. Not that, uh, anyone thought he did in the first place.

Nobody who could cold-bloodedly kill his parents for insurance money could wear a Mudkip hat.

It would REJECT him.
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Acora
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The Rogue Wolf wrote:
Acora wrote:
ravenofroses wrote:
Acora wrote:
quitthecarnival wrote:
Acora wrote:
quitthecarnival wrote:
elizibar wrote:
BoneBeats wrote:
I feel stupid for asking (I have been away from the game forever and I honestly don't have time to go through hundreds and hundreds of pages) but... when did we find out Jeff's and Alex's parents died? And how?
I hate to be that person who doesn't want to search, but I've been searching and can't find anything Sad


Last Livestream. We got a stern talking to about their parents being dead. Then Jeff had his "Insurance money goes a long way" comment.


That comment still creeps me out omg. I don't like that at all.
You think that Jeff might have had something to do with their death?

I mean, honestly, it doesn't feel right to me, and I think that comment was just part of Jeff's dry humor, but it's a possibility.


No, I agree about the dry wit. I can;t see Jeff being involved in their death. It just creeps me out. I can't help it, I've watched too many true crime shows.
It's better then watching too much reality tv.


i thought it was just a symptom of his trauma, myself. half-joking, half-biting-the-stupid-persistent-fans-asking-personal-and-painful-questions.
That's quite possible, too.

Point is, Jeff didn't kill his parents. Not that, uh, anyone thought he did in the first place.

Nobody who could cold-bloodedly kill his parents for insurance money could wear a Mudkip hat.

It would REJECT him.
Am I allowed to make a joke about how Jeff's parents were killed by a mugger while they were walking out of a play, leaving a young Jeff in the care of his butler Alfred, or would that make me a coldhearted bastard?

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ravenofroses
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Acora wrote:
The Rogue Wolf wrote:
Acora wrote:
ravenofroses wrote:
Acora wrote:
quitthecarnival wrote:
Acora wrote:
quitthecarnival wrote:

That comment still creeps me out omg. I don't like that at all.
You think that Jeff might have had something to do with their death?

I mean, honestly, it doesn't feel right to me, and I think that comment was just part of Jeff's dry humor, but it's a possibility.


No, I agree about the dry wit. I can;t see Jeff being involved in their death. It just creeps me out. I can't help it, I've watched too many true crime shows.
It's better then watching too much reality tv.


i thought it was just a symptom of his trauma, myself. half-joking, half-biting-the-stupid-persistent-fans-asking-personal-and-painful-questions.
That's quite possible, too.

Point is, Jeff didn't kill his parents. Not that, uh, anyone thought he did in the first place.

Nobody who could cold-bloodedly kill his parents for insurance money could wear a Mudkip hat.

It would REJECT him.
Am I allowed to make a joke about how Jeff's parents were killed by a mugger while they were walking out of a play, leaving a young Jeff in the care of his butler Alfred, or would that make me a coldhearted bastard?


it would make you a coldhearted bastard, but i'd love you for it anyway.
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 		I may be an ass but I don't buy that the Jeff/Alex parents thing has anything to do with OOG real life. It's either a huge continuity fail moment for them when they realized they couldn't feasibly explain the lack of parental involvement re: the Rake incident, or it's something else we are meant to find strange - and I certainly did.

I submit that if Jeff and Alex's parents really WERE dead IRL/OOG, there is no way they would've kept dropping early mentions of them into the narrative previously.

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qaqa wrote:
I may be an ass but I don't buy that the Jeff/Alex parents thing has anything to do with OOG real life. It's either a huge continuity fail moment for them when they realized they couldn't feasibly explain the lack of parental involvement re: the Rake incident, or it's something else we are meant to find strange - and I certainly did.

I submit that if Jeff and Alex's parents really WERE dead IRL/OOG, there is no way they would've kept dropping early mentions of them into the narrative previously.


what? no, nobody's saying they're dead OOG. just that it was planned in the narrative or that it was a damned good continuity fix.
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Acora
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ravenofroses wrote:
Acora wrote:
The Rogue Wolf wrote:
Acora wrote:
ravenofroses wrote:
Acora wrote:
quitthecarnival wrote:


No, I agree about the dry wit. I can;t see Jeff being involved in their death. It just creeps me out. I can't help it, I've watched too many true crime shows.
It's better then watching too much reality tv.


i thought it was just a symptom of his trauma, myself. half-joking, half-biting-the-stupid-persistent-fans-asking-personal-and-painful-questions.
That's quite possible, too.

Point is, Jeff didn't kill his parents. Not that, uh, anyone thought he did in the first place.

Nobody who could cold-bloodedly kill his parents for insurance money could wear a Mudkip hat.

It would REJECT him.
Am I allowed to make a joke about how Jeff's parents were killed by a mugger while they were walking out of a play, leaving a young Jeff in the care of his butler Alfred, or would that make me a coldhearted bastard?


it would make you a coldhearted bastard, but i'd love you for it anyway.
This is vaguely related to this, but I laughed my ass off when I saw it, and since it has to do with Jeff's Bat Man-ness...
[x]

Don't kill me for going off topic, plox.
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Acora wrote:
ravenofroses wrote:
Acora wrote:
The Rogue Wolf wrote:
Acora wrote:
ravenofroses wrote:

i thought it was just a symptom of his trauma, myself. half-joking, half-biting-the-stupid-persistent-fans-asking-personal-and-painful-questions.
That's quite possible, too.

Point is, Jeff didn't kill his parents. Not that, uh, anyone thought he did in the first place.

Nobody who could cold-bloodedly kill his parents for insurance money could wear a Mudkip hat.

It would REJECT him.
Am I allowed to make a joke about how Jeff's parents were killed by a mugger while they were walking out of a play, leaving a young Jeff in the care of his butler Alfred, or would that make me a coldhearted bastard?


it would make you a coldhearted bastard, but i'd love you for it anyway.
This is vaguely related to this, but I laughed my ass off when I saw it, and since it has to do with Jeff's Bat Man-ness...
[x]

Don't kill me for going off topic, plox.


i love you. and batjeff is totally on topic.
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ravenofroses wrote:
qaqa wrote:
I may be an ass but I don't buy that the Jeff/Alex parents thing has anything to do with OOG real life. It's either a huge continuity fail moment for them when they realized they couldn't feasibly explain the lack of parental involvement re: the Rake incident, or it's something else we are meant to find strange - and I certainly did.

I submit that if Jeff and Alex's parents really WERE dead IRL/OOG, there is no way they would've kept dropping early mentions of them into the narrative previously.


what? no, nobody's saying they're dead OOG. just that it was planned in the narrative or that it was a damned good continuity fix.


Sorry, I thought I'd seen an implication that we were being chastised during the ustream for questioning a serious OOG issue.

And no, IMO it's not really a good continuity fix if that's what it was. There had been multiple mentions of the parents as though they were alive by most of the cast, not just the supposedly orphaned brothers, prior to the "explanation" in the ustream. It's the only real flaw I've seen in the storytelling, but then again, I prefer to think that there's something more to it and it's not just a clumsy continuityfail. It seemed so random, abrupt and frankly disquieting in the way they explained it at the time.

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 		Maybe it's suspension of disbelief but I haven't thought twice about the "dead parents" situation, other than the obvious distress over the idea of Alex in any degree "pretending" they're still alive. Heh I just went right with the whole thing now that I think about it. I do think that it's meant in the same vein as "the police do nothing" deal, here- that perhaps it was a signal to just take parents out of the equation entirely. On the other hand, I think it could possibly become a plot-oriented detail, as opposed to simply continuity or clarity based.

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lunaticfish wrote:
Maybe it's suspension of disbelief but I haven't thought twice about the "dead parents" situation, other than the obvious distress over the idea of Alex in any degree "pretending" they're still alive. Heh I just went right with the whole thing now that I think about it. I do think that it's meant in the same vein as "the police do nothing" deal, here- that perhaps it was a signal to just take parents out of the equation entirely. On the other hand, I think it could possibly become a plot-oriented detail, as opposed to simply continuity or clarity based.


Ditto. I always thought it was meant to just be a forget about the parents thing. Just because there was never that big of a deal made out of it. I think its more a OOG slip up- Alex mentioned the parents in that video and then parents came up in the Ustream and they needed to take them out. Its not like Alex has mentioned the parents since or they brought any attention to it outside of the Ustream. Either way I don't think its a big deal, much like the cops are useless thing.

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I've always read the whole parents thing as a shift in the casts perseptions of reality. I think the confusion is part of what is going on; no one really knows whats real or not, or whats real shifts as to make the question of reality irrelevant.

Obviously we've seen people forget or not be able to see things (though it seems they are going to start seeing the "hidden" videos), but we've also seen reality itself seem to alter, such as the door-to-beach-at-night-wtf. The shift in the existence of parents may seem convenient but the question is who or what is it convenient for? A certain dapper entity?

I'm still taking the parents thing as a significant part of this and see how that unfolds. Also, I'm at work right not so I can archive binge but I think I remember hearing an adult voice in one of the videos, but I forgot whose house it was, which makes a big difference.


There was an adult woman saying "Good night" in "...." when there was a shot of Sparky on the stairs. That video was released before the 11/26 ustream. So... maybe?

So Jeff'n'Alex's parents might have just been removed from reality and the boys memories altered... that'd actually be a pretty damn cool plot twist.

And maybe the mind-wipe/memory alteration didn't take with Alex as well, which is why he thinks his parents are still alive sometimes. Maybe they're not actually there, but his brain hasn't entirely accepted the new version of reality. That's why his fantasies about his parents are realistically negative, talking about getting grounded and not being trusted...

::forest of epileptic trees springs up::

ETA: WTF IS WRONG WITH TIMESTAMPS. SERIOUSLY.
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Rhiannon wrote:
fogletplume wrote:
I've always read the whole parents thing as a shift in the casts perseptions of reality. I think the confusion is part of what is going on; no one really knows whats real or not, or whats real shifts as to make the question of reality irrelevant.

Obviously we've seen people forget or not be able to see things (though it seems they are going to start seeing the "hidden" videos), but we've also seen reality itself seem to alter, such as the door-to-beach-at-night-wtf. The shift in the existence of parents may seem convenient but the question is who or what is it convenient for? A certain dapper entity?

I'm still taking the parents thing as a significant part of this and see how that unfolds. Also, I'm at work right not so I can archive binge but I think I remember hearing an adult voice in one of the videos, but I forgot whose house it was, which makes a big difference.


There was an adult woman saying "Good night" in "...." when there was a shot of Sparky on the stairs. That video was released before the 11/26 ustream. So... maybe?

So Jeff'n'Alex's parents might have just been removed from reality and the boys memories altered... that'd actually be a pretty damn cool plot twist.

And maybe the mind-wipe/memory alteration didn't take with Alex as well, which is why he thinks his parents are still alive sometimes. Maybe they're not actually there, but his brain hasn't entirely accepted the new version of reality. That's why his fantasies about his parents are realistically negative, talking about getting grounded and not being trusted...

::forest of epileptic trees springs up::


Speaking of time and space warping *eyes your timestamp*

*in the voice of Neo* Woah... does this mean Alex = Neo?

EDIT: *looks at own timestamp* Well that's odd... I'll poke a mod about it. EDIT EDIT: seems this is a known issues but not much can be done as it is now: http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31172

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 		I've always read the whole parents thing as a shift in the casts perseptions of reality. I think the confusion is part of what is going on; no one really knows whats real or not, or whats real shifts as to make the question of reality irrelevant.

Obviously we've seen people forget or not be able to see things (though it seems they are going to start seeing the "hidden" videos), but we've also seen reality itself seem to alter, such as the door-to-beach-at-night-wtf. The shift in the existence of parents may seem convenient but the question is who or what is it convenient for? A certain dapper entity?

I'm still taking the parents thing as a significant part of this and see how that unfolds. Also, I'm at work right not so I can archive binge but I think I remember hearing an adult voice in one of the videos, but I forgot whose house it was, which makes a big difference.

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Rhiannon wrote:
fogletplume wrote:
I've always read the whole parents thing as a shift in the casts perseptions of reality. I think the confusion is part of what is going on; no one really knows whats real or not, or whats real shifts as to make the question of reality irrelevant.

Obviously we've seen people forget or not be able to see things (though it seems they are going to start seeing the "hidden" videos), but we've also seen reality itself seem to alter, such as the door-to-beach-at-night-wtf. The shift in the existence of parents may seem convenient but the question is who or what is it convenient for? A certain dapper entity?

I'm still taking the parents thing as a significant part of this and see how that unfolds. Also, I'm at work right not so I can archive binge but I think I remember hearing an adult voice in one of the videos, but I forgot whose house it was, which makes a big difference.


There was an adult woman saying "Good night" in "...." when there was a shot of Sparky on the stairs. That video was released before the 11/26 ustream. So... maybe?

So Jeff'n'Alex's parents might have just been removed from reality and the boys memories altered... that'd actually be a pretty damn cool plot twist.

And maybe the mind-wipe/memory alteration didn't take with Alex as well, which is why he thinks his parents are still alive sometimes. Maybe they're not actually there, but his brain hasn't entirely accepted the new version of reality. That's why his fantasies about his parents are realistically negative, talking about getting grounded and not being trusted...

::forest of epileptic trees springs up::

ETA: WTF IS WRONG WITH TIMESTAMPS. SERIOUSLY.


This epileptic forest...I think I might be in love with it! <3
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megamiofhibiki wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
fogletplume wrote:
I've always read the whole parents thing as a shift in the casts perseptions of reality. I think the confusion is part of what is going on; no one really knows whats real or not, or whats real shifts as to make the question of reality irrelevant.

Obviously we've seen people forget or not be able to see things (though it seems they are going to start seeing the "hidden" videos), but we've also seen reality itself seem to alter, such as the door-to-beach-at-night-wtf. The shift in the existence of parents may seem convenient but the question is who or what is it convenient for? A certain dapper entity?

I'm still taking the parents thing as a significant part of this and see how that unfolds. Also, I'm at work right not so I can archive binge but I think I remember hearing an adult voice in one of the videos, but I forgot whose house it was, which makes a big difference.


There was an adult woman saying "Good night" in "...." when there was a shot of Sparky on the stairs. That video was released before the 11/26 ustream. So... maybe?

So Jeff'n'Alex's parents might have just been removed from reality and the boys memories altered... that'd actually be a pretty damn cool plot twist.

And maybe the mind-wipe/memory alteration didn't take with Alex as well, which is why he thinks his parents are still alive sometimes. Maybe they're not actually there, but his brain hasn't entirely accepted the new version of reality. That's why his fantasies about his parents are realistically negative, talking about getting grounded and not being trusted...

::forest of epileptic trees springs up::

ETA: WTF IS WRONG WITH TIMESTAMPS. SERIOUSLY.


This epileptic forest...I think I might be in love with it! <3


I do enjoy the mind wipe/altering of reality angle, with Alex being less effected by it, or it didn't entirely take somehow.

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