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[LOCKED] [Video Side Story] TribeTwelve
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Lewa
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SlenderSlander wrote:
Is it just me or are MH, TribeTwevle and EMH off-limits to criticism for the most part, whereas every other slendervlog gets meticulously scrutinized and analyzed for every possible flaw? Don't get me wrong, they're all good series, but I think people tend to overlook the flaws of these three vlogs. People are so super excited and totally immersed that they think anything other than these 3 is shit. (some criticism: marble hornets can be very tedious and boring at times, everymanhyrbid can be LAUGHABLE at times - charging slendy with a bat? really? how stupid is that? and tribe twelve tries to show off corny flash skizzles whenever possible.)

I will probably get flack for this, but I think it needed to be said. These 3 vlogs are put ridiculously high on the pedestal, unjustly I believe. Watching some of the new slendervlogs makes me think that the 3 originals could be striving to do better. A LOT better.
I think that's pretty much how stuff goes. Lord of the Rings is revered despite the fact that it's kind of boring, because it was first (like MH). I don't even know what you mean about flash skizzles, though, and I don't think having a character make dumb choices is a flaw.
And can you tell me which of the newer vlogs are better? I haven't watched most of them because there are too many.

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Lewa wrote:
SlenderSlander wrote:
Is it just me or are MH, TribeTwevle and EMH off-limits to criticism for the most part, whereas every other slendervlog gets meticulously scrutinized and analyzed for every possible flaw? Don't get me wrong, they're all good series, but I think people tend to overlook the flaws of these three vlogs. People are so super excited and totally immersed that they think anything other than these 3 is shit. (some criticism: marble hornets can be very tedious and boring at times, everymanhyrbid can be LAUGHABLE at times - charging slendy with a bat? really? how stupid is that? and tribe twelve tries to show off corny flash skizzles whenever possible.)

I will probably get flack for this, but I think it needed to be said. These 3 vlogs are put ridiculously high on the pedestal, unjustly I believe. Watching some of the new slendervlogs makes me think that the 3 originals could be striving to do better. A LOT better.
I think that's pretty much how stuff goes. Lord of the Rings is revered despite the fact that it's kind of boring, because it was first (like MH). I don't even know what you mean about flash skizzles, though, and I don't think having a character make dumb choices is a flaw.
And can you tell me which of the newer vlogs are better? I haven't watched most of them because there are too many.


i think they meant "flash skills," referencing the special/visual effects in TT.

also, i second the request for new good vlogs. when a person is going to offer this kind of criticism, they'd best have something to back their words up.

alsoalso, regarding the "charging slendy with a bat" thing, it was indeed stupid. it was also totally in-character, something our dear guest would've picked up on had they been paying attention. and marble hornets places a ridiculous amount of care in setting up an arc and seeing it through, which means that yes, bits of it are slow and "boring." none of these vlogs is perfect. they're made by kids with too much time on their hands and a fondness for crafting stories. that these three have captured so much interest is due partly to chance, but a good deal to the fact that they can tell a damned good story and people like to participate in that.
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Slendery wrote:
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Man, he's really holding back this footage. Hope nothing bad happened irl. Sad


I doubt it, he's been posting on the tribe twelve facebook group page.


I like how he's reaching out to the fans, be it IG or OOG. It makes everything more engaging. I hope he does something user based, like EMH's Tournament, but less boring.


I doubt it. He seems to be following in the vein of MarbleHornets, which had very little player interaction in general. Even that chick who he stayed with for Thanksgiving was probably a real life friend of his. It doesn't appear he's including any ARG elements for the time being.

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SlenderSlander wrote:
Is it just me or are MH, TribeTwevle and EMH off-limits to criticism for the most part, whereas every other slendervlog gets meticulously scrutinized and analyzed for every possible flaw? Don't get me wrong, they're all good series, but I think people tend to overlook the flaws of these three vlogs. People are so super excited and totally immersed that they think anything other than these 3 is shit. (some criticism: marble hornets can be very tedious and boring at times, everymanhyrbid can be LAUGHABLE at times - charging slendy with a bat? really? how stupid is that? and tribe twelve tries to show off corny flash skizzles whenever possible.)

I will probably get flack for this, but I think it needed to be said. These 3 vlogs are put ridiculously high on the pedestal, unjustly I believe. Watching some of the new slendervlogs makes me think that the 3 originals could be striving to do better. A LOT better.


2/10 Troll harder. I'm sure you can do better with your ridiculous 'troll skizzles' than this.

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ravenofroses wrote:

also, i second the request for new good vlogs. when a person is going to offer this kind of criticism, they'd best have something to back their words up.


I'd say the best vlogs outside of the main three are "Apple of Our Eye" and the whole "Angel's Game" business.

Apple of Our Eye started off kind of weak, but they've got a decent Slender man and the last video was really good.

Angel's Game hasn't had very much Slender man and is hard to follow since it's spread across 3 channels, but unlike a lot of the others they are at least trying to add something new to the mythos. (And Slender man kicks the crap out of a guy)

But yeah, none of the smaller ones hold a candle to the big three. Not for lack of trying though.

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It should also be pointed out that TribeTwelve took a TON of shit when it first started out, and still occasionally does. And people also have complaints about EMH and MH from time to time. (I've complained about how I feel the slow start to season 2 Marble Hornets has wasted all the momentum that season 1 established, and I know some people feel the same way.)

The idea that the big 3 are somehow considered to be above criticism is so incorrect it's laughable.

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SlenderSlander wrote:
Is it just me or are MH, TribeTwevle and EMH off-limits to criticism for the most part, whereas every other slendervlog gets meticulously scrutinized and analyzed for every possible flaw? Don't get me wrong, they're all good series, but I think people tend to overlook the flaws of these three vlogs. People are so super excited and totally immersed that they think anything other than these 3 is shit. (some criticism: marble hornets can be very tedious and boring at times, everymanhyrbid can be LAUGHABLE at times - charging slendy with a bat? really? how stupid is that? and tribe twelve tries to show off corny flash skizzles whenever possible.)

I will probably get flack for this, but I think it needed to be said. These 3 vlogs are put ridiculously high on the pedestal, unjustly I believe. Watching some of the new slendervlogs makes me think that the 3 originals could be striving to do better. A LOT better.


I've looked through all these other volgs and they really do suck. They don't even have potential. These main three have the most popularity for a reason: they are better than the rest. Sure, they were the first three, but they are also the best at what they do. The other lesser vlogs are hard to get into and emulate the top three, offering nothing original and perpetuating the copy cat mentality that TT started out with, but gladly they realized that it was faulty and abandoned it for their own style.

That's the thing with MH, TT and EMH, they're like the Mona Lisa. Do you think Da Vinci was the only guy to paint a half smiling brunette? No. He just did it better than everybody else.

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HealthyAshes wrote:
I've looked through all these other volgs and they really do suck. They don't even have potential. These main three have the most popularity for a reason: they are better than the rest. Sure, they were the first three, but they are also the best at what they do. The other lesser vlogs are hard to get into and emulate the top three, offering nothing original and perpetuating the copy cat mentality that TT started out with, but gladly they realized that it was faulty and abandoned it for their own style.

That's the thing with MH, TT and EMH, they're like the Mona Lisa. Do you think Da Vinci was the only guy to paint a half smiling brunette? No. He just did it better than everybody else.


Meh, some side stories are getting better. I do agree that the big three have their fair share of negative qualities, as do the others, the three just happen to have more positive ones to outweigh them. Rolling Eyes

Also, that analogy is gold.
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Oh my, yes, Tribe Twelve had (and has) its problems. The plotting early on was weak, Milo Asher is a visually and aurally repulsive character, Milo and Noah had very little screen chemistry (realistic, perhaps, but still distracting), and the acting in general was sub-par. These days, it's vastly better, but still runs into achingly long production times. We've been waiting on that thanksgiving footage for a month and a half now.

And maybe EverymanHYBRID's a sprawling, at times incomprehensible story in which Slenderman now seems to be playing second fiddle to an original character's split personality, and maybe Marble Hornets is still on the same schedule it was towards the end of Season 1, but all three series are still highly entertaining, and at times genuinely scary.

By contrast, there's nothing in Apple Of Our Eye that's scary or well executed. The characters are unlikable and indistinguishable, and the story they find themselves in is hardly captivating. And I'll confess that's the only other Slendervlog series I've managed to follow and review, since I couldn't watch more than a few videos of Jon's Club and both Experience of Evil and Closet Atrium turned out to be regular ghost stories... still sad that Closet Atrium died, I dunno how far the premise could have gone but their ghost looked great.

However, I pride myself on being able to find a good side to every situation, and I will say that Apple Of Our Eye's slenderman is... tall, a fair bit taller than the one in Marble Hornets or Tribe Twelve. Though it's been a while since we've seen them... also, it totally stole an idea I had to get an old camcorder off ebay and make a series using it, but the idea there was that the series was set in the 1980s so it would be an authentic 1980s camcorder. So maybe that's the real reason I dislike Apple Of Our Eye.

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I think the reason the "Big Three" (MH, EMH, TT) seem to "get off easy" is because they've earned our goodwill by either bringing something new to the mythos or trying very hard to mix up something we're already familiar with. Marble Hornets was the original, of course, and EverymanHybrid has branched out into a multi-format experience (which admittedly makes it tricky for people like me, who don't use Twitter or frequent other social sites, to keep up- but hey, we have a Wiki for that). As for TribeTwelve, it was getting ragged on in the beginning for being a clone of MH, but the introduction of Grandpa Karl helped give the series a new horizon- and then those awesomely-edited "Observer" videos happened.

It also helps that the people behind each series are decent, fun guys and gals who want to engage and entertain their audiences.
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OK, I realized something about the little Observer symbol that people in here were discussing a few days ago. The textbook I'm (supposed to be) reading right now uses the dot inside a circle to represent scalar multiplication. The Operator symbol is used for tensor products. A scalar is the simplest kind of tensor (or something like that, I'm just trying to summarize Wikipedia).
As for what this implies about the relationship between the Observer and the Operator, feel free to draw your own conclusions. It might even be a coincidence.

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Lewa wrote:
OK, I realized something about the little Observer symbol that people in here were discussing a few days ago. The textbook I'm (supposed to be) reading right now uses the dot inside a circle to represent scalar multiplication. The Operator symbol is used for tensor products. A scalar is the simplest kind of tensor (or something like that, I'm just trying to summarize Wikipedia).
As for what this implies about the relationship between the Observer and the Operator, feel free to draw your own conclusions. It might even be a coincidence.

I'd love to draw my own conclusions, but my efforts are hampered by the fact that I have no bloody idea what you're talking about. Could you possibly explain in terms that are easily understood by the mathematically-challenged?

Seriously, with regular math I'm an ace, but you start throwing letters in with the numbers and I get totally lost.
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The Rogue Wolf wrote:
Lewa wrote:
OK, I realized something about the little Observer symbol that people in here were discussing a few days ago. The textbook I'm (supposed to be) reading right now uses the dot inside a circle to represent scalar multiplication. The Operator symbol is used for tensor products. A scalar is the simplest kind of tensor (or something like that, I'm just trying to summarize Wikipedia).
As for what this implies about the relationship between the Observer and the Operator, feel free to draw your own conclusions. It might even be a coincidence.

I'd love to draw my own conclusions, but my efforts are hampered by the fact that I have no bloody idea what you're talking about. Could you possibly explain in terms that are easily understood by the mathematically-challenged?

Seriously, with regular math I'm an ace, but you start throwing letters in with the numbers and I get totally lost.
I don't really understand tensors either. But if you go to the Tensor article on Wikipedia, there's a chart of different kinds of tensors and a scalar is a (0,0)-tensor.

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New video tonight Cats and Kittens!

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Success! Milo's Step-dad finally picked up his phone. Apparently, he was out for the holidays. Video of the call will be posted tonight.


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ChildOfAtom wrote:
New video tonight Cats and Kittens!

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Success! Milo's Step-dad finally picked up his phone. Apparently, he was out for the holidays. Video of the call will be posted tonight.


<~~~ Excited Very Happy
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