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Mattwan
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Luipaard wrote:
To play with your interesting theory, what would HABIT have to gain by casting suspicion on Vince?


This is all very interesting. It's difficult, maybe impossible, to say why HABIT would do something like that, since we don't know why any of the baddies are doing any of the things they're doing at all.

Maybe our boys are like blocks in sort of a metaphysical game of Jenga. Slendy's task is to keep the tower from collapsing while working within a strict ruleset, and HABIT's task is to cause the tower to collapse while also working within a ruleset that keeps him from just knocking the tower over.

Or maybe it's the same game God and Satan were playing with Job, with Slendy betting that HABIT can't force the boys to completely crack up. Maybe Slendy really is just an observer in all this and all the bad stuff has been done by, or under the influence of, HABIT. It's possible he's not even directly responsible for the injuries suffered by Evan during the baseball-bat attack; maybe that just what happens if you go charging too quickly toward Slendy's manifestation in our reality, sort of like how the shields work in Dune.

Or maybe Slenders and HABIT are both like creatures from the Black Lodge, and internal suspicion amongst the boys makes for more garmonbozia. Mixing paranoia in with the terror and sorrow helps fatten the boys up more quickly.

That's enough trees for one day, I think. Smile

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Luipaard wrote:
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Luipaard wrote:
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Except that we don't know that Vinnie put the cell phone in there deliberately or that any of the characters problems are caused by anything except their own flaws. Yeah, plenty of it could be caused by HABIT, but right now we don't have evidence for that. For all we know, Evan may be on a daily regimen of risperidone for his crazypants tendencies and the boys just don't feel like sharing that kind of intimate information with us.

Now, that last one isn't very likely, considering the undeniably supernatural happenings, but still.


I forgot to mention my reasoning for thinking Vince was posessed into communicating with The Rake in Alex's room. During the end of 'A Day with GreenFeathers', after the call with Ryan, Vince mentions he 'heard those noises again' (at least I remember him saying again. I might be an idiot.) But even if he didn't, how would he know the noises? IIRC, the heavy breathing of Rake in the past videos was hidden to the EMH crew. Now, it is entirely possible he knows the noises from Alex's videos... but that still doesn't explain the phone.

My theory is the noises Vince heard were aggressive (Rake was in attack mode at the time), and he remembers the noises from when HABIT posessed him and used him to talk to Rake in Alex's room. Vince dropped his phone in the closet while posessed, and when he was unposessed, he wouldn't remember were his phone was, because he wasn't fully concious at the time. HABIT had put it in there to swing some suspicion toward Vinnie. While it doesn't seem to have worked thus far, something may happen in the future that causes the rest of the group to put 2+2 together and get 5. At some point, they're going to turn on Vince for whats been going on.


Ah, that's a good point, I'd forgotten that Vinnie had heard that. Damn, I should have remembered, I could have asked during the Ustream!

To play with your interesting theory, what would HABIT have to gain by casting suspicion on Vince?


Well, Evan is the one who has been most effected by this. Given the animosity between HABIT & Slenderman (again, assuming the lower case tweets were Slendy), then it's safe to assume Insane Evan is HABIT posessing him. In one of the hidden videos (forget which one), Evan is seemingly about to brain Vinnie with a meat cleaver (I think it's Vinnie filming), when Vinnie flees, right into Slendy, and we get a black screen.

For whatever reason, HABIT wants Vinnie out of the way. The clever way would be to cast the finger of suspicion at Vinnie. Make the crew think he's in on this in some way. Vinnie has the strongest resistance to being posessed. He could remember certain things during that period. Vinnie has the most tolerance to HABIT, Evan is HABITS favorite posession. HABIT prefers to use Evan as Evan already has feelings of violence toward Slendy, and maybe even the other EMH members. HABIT doesn't have to put much effort in, he only makes Evan more psycho than he already is.

Framing Vince, making others think Vince had something to do with Alex's attack, or even Jessa's dissapearance, would take the finger of suspicion from Evan, allowing HABIT to keep using him.

Going back to that hidden footage, HABIT/Evan is about to kill Vinnie with the Cleaver, which prompts Vinnie to run. Why? He saw too much. Vinnie now knew Evan was posessed, so he had to be done away with. (This also adds up to the theory of the drowning footage being that of Evan drowning Vinnie). Vinnie Ran, Slendy shown up, Vinnie forgot and now the footage can not be watched by him, or anyone else. This satisfies HABIT, and he doesn't have to kill Vinnie, for now.

Prediction: EMH will turn on Vinnie, with evidence causing them to believe he had something to do with the attacks on Alex and Jessa's disappearance. Eventually, Vince cracks on that HABIT is now within Evan, and tries to kill him. This leads to either one dying, but HABIT moving to another vessel.

More evidence supporting my theory.

November 4th, the HABIT/Slendy twitter fight, these tweets are made.

* IT IS I WHO inHABITS THIS SANCTUARY.

* Oh, a classic power struggle is it?

The all caps tweet is HABIT, who has just posessed someone, and said someone is showing resistance, hence the brief uncapitalization. Now, this someone could be Vince, who is showing his resistance to it, which unnerves HABIT. This could also be Evan, who has been posessed for the first time, and is trying to resist, to no avail.

Secondly is this tweet.

YOU COULDN'T SAVE HER. DO THEY THINK THEY ARE ANY DIFFERENT? YOU ARE ALL IN THE SAME. SINKING. VESSEL.

The choice of word being 'Vessel'. Not ship, boat, but Vessel. Vessel is a term used when a spirit chooses to possess someone: They seek a vessel. HABIT is telling them, in no uncertain terms, they are all the same, they will all be his Vessels.

And then, this leads me to my final point: The true identity of HABIT.

We've now established (or at least come to heavily belive) HABIT is possessing the EMH crew. However, a spirit needs a Vessel. We know he isn't in the minds of the EMH crew 24/7. He needs somewhere to be on occasion to avoid raising suspicion, and to plan ahead. Where could he have access to a constant vessel?

Jessa.

HABIT has possessed Jessa. He may be able to possess the others, but this is his main vessel. She hasn't been found because HABIT doesn't want her to be found. He wants them to think she is dead so he can continue to use her.

So, THAT hidden footage? With Jessa standing before Jeffs Shed, with Slenderman on top of it? It's speculated that Slendy was using Jessa as a puppet to try and capture/kill Jeff.

What if we were to buy into the theory Slendy is protecting the EMH crew?

Let's take a look at all evidence to support that line of thinking.

First, that twitter exchange. HABIT, aware of what Slendy is up to, tries to reason with him, and asks him to leave. Slendy tells HABIT that they are his. This can be interpreted as Slendy saying they are under his protection.

Then these events:

Slendy shows up, to stop HABIT, in possession of Jessa, killing Jeff.

Slendy shows up at the Ashen Wastes to save Jeff & Vince from HABIT, who has Evan. HABIT, in possession of Evan, decides to use Evan as a meat shielf and vent his frustrations on Slendy. Slendy attacks HABIT, then leaves. Realizing he has possibly fatally wounded Evan, and that HABIT is still in possession of him (the maniacal laughter when he tried Car Fu), Slendy forces them to drive into them, so he can use his powers to send them home, and heal Evan, as well as remove HABIT from his body.

HABIT, as Evan, going after Vince with the Meat Cleaver. Slendy shows up, and Vince passes out, and it erases his memory. HABIT now has no need to kill Vinnie for knowing his secret.

Slendy shows up in Evans house. Slendy is aware that HABIT wants Evan, which is why he tried to watch over him. When he was spotted, he let them know he was there, then left. No making them pass out, no attacking, he left without a fuss.

He shown up in 'Jokes Over', to let HABIT know he was watching him. HABIT, as Evan, persues, and sees the bags, and begins maniacally laughing. Slendy was showing HABIT what is in store for him when Slendy finally gets him. (This could also mean Damsels family had been possessed, forcing Slendy to kill them to protect Damsel.) The bags were the bodies of former Vessels of HABIT. HABIT knows too well what is going to happen to him. This could mean Habit had possessed Evan as early as the dream lab. Evan had dreamt of sirens and finding bags in the woods. Evan didn't know what it meant. HABIT left that memory there, just as he left the memory of the Rakes sound with Vinnie.

Slendy watched over them at the school, whilst invisible, to make sure HABIT didn't show up.

Slendy has been there to foil HABIT at every corner, and HABIT is sick of it.

tl;dr, HABIT wants Vinnie dead, Jessa is HABIT, Slendy is protecting EMH from HABIT and maybe later The Rake, while preventing the end of the world.

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 		Problem I have with your theory: Unless we're thinking of different videos, the person HABIT!Evan goes after with the cleaver is Jeff, not Vince. Otherwise, it's a very interesting theory to play with, if not one I'm entirely sold on just yet.
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 		Even then, the Vince theory still holds water (no pun intended), due to the drowning footage.

If it was Jeff he went after with the cleaver, it also still stands. He tries to kill Jeff for seeing to much, and Slendy pretty much saves him. (Coulda sworn it was Vinnie).

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MikeBlumenthal wrote:
Vince mentions he 'heard those noises again' (at least I remember him saying again. I might be an idiot.) But even if he didn't, how would he know the noises?


I took it as he remembered the noises from the CCNB encounter. I like your line of thinking though, definitely some nice speculation there.
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 		I think for the sake of newcomers we should stop posting speculation as if they are fact. Make sure to use words like 'I think' or 'I feel that' instead of phrasing your posts like actual accepted evidence. I read the last two pages and there was so much speculation being phrased like truth I had to triple check youtube to make sure I didn't miss like eight videos.

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 		^^^ Agreed! There's no sense in discounting theories as ineligible or wrong right now unless the errors in the theory are flagrant. Like, say I told you Jeff was actually Slender Man. Of course that's wrong, it goes against everything we know about either party! But if you were to argue the canonicity of the "leaked" off-channel videos, that's not something you can say one way or the other right now -- for the most part the boys have reacted to it in the same way they have to the secret videos on-channel, and that doesn't really prove or disprove anything yet.


@Mike: Naw, the voice was pretty obviously Jeff. And I'm not sure if Vinnie's phone in Alex's closet is anything more than either a weird accident, or the Rake picking it up from Alex's room after some blood-sucking. If it was to frame Vince, it didn't work very well.

The rest of that, though, that Jessa is a container for HABIT, and that the Slender Man is protecting the boys from it, is pretty thought provoking.

What I want to add, though, is that I believe if He's protecting the boys, it's only to keep them for himself. I can't see Him as anything other than, if not hostile, at least harmful.

Not sure who's behind this flooding business. But the ARK's not safe, either.

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 		Okay now that I have finally caught up again. There was a lot going on and I didn't have too much time to do things after the ustream. I have caught up and I have to say all the theories being posed are actually quite interesting.

I think someone mentioned the whole siren thing. They were assuming it meant Slenders, what if that is not the case. What if it is a sign that they are entering a different piece of their reality. Like we know they went to Centralia and we know Silent Hill has similar sirens when the darkness comes. What if it is a similar trigger, something that happens when reality around them changes. Like reality is the same its just this piece of it is a reflection of events that could or did happen. Just a thought, not a whole lot of proof but it would be interesting.
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 		Anyone want to kick off the literary analysis of the Trial Four poem?

Quote:
Little rabbits feed our Habits,
We are millions fierce and strong,
The bloodthirsty rage within us,
Urges, that we move on,
Do not fight the forever flood,
Or paranoia, hate, and fear,
Because I will be with you all,
I'll always be right here,
We'll take the rabbits together,
And together eat them alive,
We'll fill our hearts with the joy of the slaughter,
The joy of their tortured cries,
And as they lay face down in the dirt,
You will see that these rabbits were friends,
The ones you loved,
The ones who loved you,
who cried your name to the bitter end,
And then you'll try your very damnedest,
You'll try to separate us,
Until you realize that us is me,
And with me there is no us,
So you millions scared and weak,
Prepare for some devastation,
Some blood soaked hands,
Some broken bones,
And mass body counts across your nations,
Because I am the monster in your head,
The beast that hides beneath your bed,
The axe wielding man crossing your street,
The bloody hands that tear the meat,
Try to stop me if you can,
But you'll break the Habits of man.

With love,
Habit.


It's in lowercase in the original, and he actually signs his name, among other things I see here.

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 		The fuuuuu. Lowercase. O____O
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 		I am honestly surprised that the HABIT's in the poem aren't caps. This is....different.

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 		HABIT feeds off of our destruction.

HABIT is the rage and bloodthirsty nature within all us rabbits.

Our HABITs will lead to us tearing each other limb from limb and "eating each other alive"

Us rabbits cannot be separated from our HABITs that will destroy us.



That's how I read it at least.
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ChildOfAtom wrote:

It's in lowercase in the original, and he actually signs his name, among other things I see here.


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 		So, in light of the latest trial, may I propose a new theory concerning Habit?

We've established that he is/represents "humanity's bad habit" and we tried to figure out precisely what that was (killing, lying, etc.). Perhaps by participating in the trial we are proving a point about humanity's bad Habit: blind obedience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

We've done all of these ridiculous and illogical things... things that in some cases have hurt other people, just because someone told us to. From an in-game perspective, what do participating rabbits gain from the trials? Nothing that we know of. Surviving rabbits have buried a prized possession, condemned other rabbits to elimination (possibly death IG), broken off a friendship, and will now soon sacrifice part of their reputation (or dignitiy, YMMV) in Trial Four, all because the psychotic murder told them too, and that there MIGHT be some kind of prize at the end.

Thoughts on this?

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BanishedZaber wrote:
Thoughts on this?


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