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[SPEC] The Pious Flea is a Bodyguard Program
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ABoxInABox
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 		[SPEC] The Pious Flea is a Bodyguard Program
Let's forget for a while about the Covie/Human arguement. I know it's hard, but it has to be done to consider this.

Now, let's look a little closer at the Flea's top four favourite words: 'survive', 'evade', 'resist' and 'escape'. Those of you that have searched my have come up with some USAF conduct, called 'SERE'.

USAF: SERE wrote:
The Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) training is a form of Code of Conduct training that prepares military personnel to live up to and follow the Code of Conduct in combat, and survive, evade, resist and escape from captivity in a hostile or denied area.

This can be linked to the Flea being in system it doesn't know. But from what we've learnt, it's been identified that the Flea learns from those around it.

Let's assume that the Flea was on the Apocalypso long before the crash. He could've picked up the SERE phrase from the crewmembers. Surely if the Flea was covie he wouldn't be speaking English? (Another possiblity is that the SERE phrase was pre-programmed. In that case could the English be explained by the Flea being of human origin? Either way this theory works.)

We know that the Flea has been influencing Melissa to create the axons. The reason seems to be that Melissa is trying to contact her crew. But why would the Flea want Melissa to contact her crew?

We also know that the Flea has offered to help the Princess hide.

Quote:
reveal:
seeker > !attach Princess sec proc
survive
evade
escape
resist
that is the law and the whole of the law

The Princess has apparently accepted.

Let's look a bit closer at the Flea's offer:

Quote:
reveal:

Standard 'I'm going to tell you something'.

Quote:
seeker > !attach Princess sec proc

Firstly, for those who don't know, the Flea calls itself Seeker. Next, we see the !attach command, the the Flea's identifier for the Princess (which is 'Princess'). But then we see 'sec proc'. We are more or less certain that this translates into 'security procedure'. So, putting that together, the Flea wants to attach to the Princess as a security procedure. This more or less means he's going to protect the Princess from Melissa. In other words, be a bodyguard to the Princess.

Quote:
survive
evade
escape
resist
that is the law and the whole of the law

This is him telling the Princess what he's going to do.

Later on, the Flea says:

Quote:
behold:
seeker > !attach master-sector
seeker > !attach sec proc Princess
Princess > !evade master-sector


Again, let's look at this closely.

Quote:
behold:

Your everday 'How about this' or 'Look at this'.

Quote:
seeker > !attach master-sector

He's going to attach to, or distract, Melissa.

Quote:
seeker > !attach sec proc Princess

This is the other way around from last time. My guess is that the PMs forgot which way it's supposed to go.

Quote:
Princess > !evade master-sector

The Princess will evade Melissa. The !evade command seems to have just made up while the Flea thought about it.

That last piece is more or less saying "I'll distract Melissa while protecting you". A 'real life' bodyguard would say (maybe) "I'll punch that big guy with the gun, and you stay behind me".

Getting back to the axons, the Flea would want to make sure that whatever he was ultimatly trying to protect was able to be protected. The Princess described the axons as 'roads', which suggest she could be able to move around on them if needed. The reason for contacting the crew could be to ensure that the Princess would be able to make contact with possible allies (the formation of SPARMY may have been part of the story, except maybe calling it SPARMY...). (This actually backfired when Weephun disclosed the location of the Princess).

[SPEC]
The Pious Flea was created to protect and assist the Sleeping Princess.
[/SPEC]

Oh look, there goes the last thirty mnutes...

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 		Re: [SPEC] The Pious Flea is a Bodyguard Program
ABoxInABox wrote:

This is the other way around from last time. My guess is that the PMs forgot which way it's supposed to go.


Sorry to be blunt, but I don't think that explanation cuts it. If the code is different to before, it has a different meaning to its previous usage.

The PMs have been very careful in their establishment of this entire game. Sure, there have been some errors in GPS coordinates and typos from the SP, but nothing as major as what you're suggesting. I think this is more of a case of throwing out a fact that doesn't fit your theory.

That said, I don't have a better theory to offer in its place, so all I can do is suggest that we look a little closer at your theory and try to figure out why that particular piece doesn't fit.
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 		yes but SERE was always Melissa's mantra, the Flea's was
"Seek the Truth, Behold the Truth, Reveal the Truth, that is the law and the whole of the law"

the "seek, evade, reveal, escape" is the merging of the 2 due to the Flea's influence of Mel

as for being the SP's bodyguard, its not a bad idea, but i think you need some stronger evidence to back yourself up, what you have is logical, but its circumstantial
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Nova wrote:
Sorry to be blunt, but I don't think that explanation cuts it. If the code is different to before, it has a different meaning to its previous usage.

The PMs have been very careful in their establishment of this entire game. Sure, there have been some errors in GPS coordinates and typos from the SP, but nothing as major as what you're suggesting. I think this is more of a case of throwing out a fact that doesn't fit your theory.

That said, I don't have a better theory to offer in its place, so all I can do is suggest that we look a little closer at your theory and try to figure out why that particular piece doesn't fit.

My guess is a little sketchy. But it was a guess after all.

Ok, another explination... In English, there is usually a different way of phrasing something. Instead of saying 'I will become the Princess's security process' the Flea said 'I will become the security process of the Princess'.

CoffeeJedi wrote:
yes but SERE was always Melissa's mantra, the Flea's was
"Seek the Truth, Behold the Truth, Reveal the Truth, that is the law and the whole of the law"

the "seek, evade, reveal, escape" is the merging of the 2 due to the Flea's influence of Mel

I knew I'd make a mistake like that in there... Either way, the Flea is obsessed by it, and he may have been influenced by SERE.

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as for being the SP's bodyguard, its not a bad idea, but i think you need some stronger evidence to back yourself up

I'll start looking...

Edit: Quote tag problems.

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CoffeeJedi wrote:
yes but SERE was always Melissa's mantra, the Flea's was
"Seek the Truth, Behold the Truth, Reveal the Truth, that is the law and the whole of the law"

the "seek, evade, reveal, escape" is the merging of the 2 due to the Flea's influence of Mel


I mostly agree, but not quite. I think that it's not necessarily the merging of the two "mantras" (as you put it) but was always the security procedure of the Flea as well as Melissa.

I see it this way:
SERE is the security procedure of the Flea - what it does when it's being attacked or captured.
SBR (Seek/Behold/Reveal) is the objective of the Flea - what it's purpose is.

If this is true, SERE was built into Flea already and we just haven't seen it because he's been on the offensive (objective) most of the time.

Just my thoughts. Heh.

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 		I go back ancd forth and whether or not the Flea is Covenant or not. But let me throw this out there, who would benefit the most about finding out that there was an evac on Troy?

Maybe the Flea wants to reveal a conspiracy inside ONI because we know there is one, or the Flea wants the Covenant to know that their code has been cracked and their is an atifact on Earth. Since we know that Melissa at one point believed she may have been compomised it makes me lean towards for the former.
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MeKiwi wrote:
If this is true, SERE was built into Flea already and we just haven't seen it because he's been on the offensive (objective) most of the time.

Just my thoughts. Heh.

Well, we've seen some of it. Flea was certainly fond of evade evade evade in the early Phases, and he even used 'escape' once or twice when he managed to ditch SPDR during their little ballet revealed in Phase 3.
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 		I have something that may back the bodyguard theory up. Even though it seems more unlikely as I crawl though the wiki and site. Anyway, on to the evidence.

Quote:
behold extern proc 0
extern proc 0 > !listen Princess
behold extern proc 1
extern proc 1 > !listen extern proc 0
behold extern proc 2
extern proc 2 > !listen extern proc 1
recurse

The Princess informs the Flea that someone is listening to them.

Quote:
!analyze Princess

The Flea attempts to understand what the Princess just says.

Quote:
Now do you get it?

Self-explanatory.

Quote:
creepy

The Flea finds the concept strange. Assuming that the Flea has a personality, he may feel he needs to defend himself and his new friend from possible listeners (the Flea calls the Princess a friend in the contactme SP-PF conversations). So he takes on the role of a bodyguard and protects the Princess in anyway he can (he emailed the people who have emailed the Princess in the past to see if they could help him protect her).

I had never really shown a stance on whether I thought that the Flea was preprogrammed as a bodyguard (although the topic title suggested it). But I think that the Flea developed the bodyguard role independently, as there are no other entitys (at least that the Flea has had contact with) that have shown to have bodyguard roles. This prooves that the Flea is an 'intelligent' AI.

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CoffeeJedi wrote:
yes but SERE was always Melissa's mantra, the Flea's was
"Seek the Truth, Behold the Truth, Reveal the Truth, that is the law and the whole of the law"

the "seek, evade, reveal, escape" is the merging of the 2 due to the Flea's influence of Mel

as for being the SP's bodyguard, its not a bad idea, but i think you need some stronger evidence to back yourself up, what you have is logical, but its circumstantial


Bear with me as I'm new (although I've been reading these forums for a qood while I'm still a long shot from a vet here so could have easily missed this) but this sounds an awful lot like "Hide & Seek" doesn't it?

Isn't that a Ship AI's favorite game? Wouldn't that at least hint that the Flea is some part of Melissa/Durga?

HK

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