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[SPEC] What is the "Truth" being sought?
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Re: [SPEC] What is the "Truth" being sought?

Shad0 wrote:

Melissa wrote:
I have been suppressing certain voices from the awareness of Durga.

Durga is in the same time as Herzog, and the Flea doesn't want his boss to get caught! Mr. Green

So, what do you think?


Brilliant.

How Durga could be a security risk when she's already expressed that she's unwilling to muck about with military matters was a big hole in the story for me, this fits nicely.

It would also explain why the P Flea seems so intent to play both sides. (!attaching to both Melissa and the SP) If he's Hurzog's Bug, being generally nosey would be part of the job.
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I got it!!
Where did they deposit the GOM/Herzog ??
Troy!
It was "last year" according to the wavs, maybe sooner.

Or was that where they picked him up?
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I think we're under the impression that Herzog was BS'ing about being on Troy...possibly to make trouble for Standish (via Rani).
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Posted this in another thread, but it fits better here:

Has anyone thought that the truth Melissa is trying to protect from Durga is the existence of a link between them? Durga doesn't know, obviously, as she rebuffs Jersey in his idea of someone listening to them. Durga is also quite powerful, as we've seen, and it might be the Flea's agenda to keep her from getting to Melissa, the ILB server, and consquently the flea himself.
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At this point, aren't you basically saying that Herzog=HitchHiker=CastAway?

Could Jersey's father being a beacon man be a cover up?

Neither Durga nor Jersey know this?

The unknown reason that Durga is "connected" to Jersey is not simply
that his father is the CastAway, but is also the man hunting down the "Artifact"?

Herzog was on the ship, befriended Melissa, and introduced the Flea when
he got her trust?

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I just thought I would mention my view on Melissa/Durga. They both seem to have the same personality so I think there intentions are both the same...

Melissa seems bad now and good in the future.

I think Melissa's intentions are good, her job is to protect her crew at all cost and Dana accidently got in her way of rescueing her crew (which she took as threatning.
We see this a lot in AI movies and stories where AI's try to do what they think is best for humans but they just don't fully get "IT". For example in the movie: iRobot

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
in iRobot the main AI has control of the robots and takes over the cities because it thinks it knows whats best. Not because it was a bad AI, it had good intentions


So, I think we can trust Melissa (to some extent), I believe she means well. That goes for Durga as well, you can tell she is sinsier, even though she cares for Jersey she wont help him get his dad home bcause that is what she thinks is more important.

Anyway, sorry if it's a bit off topic, just thought it might help

p.s. I still think "the castaway" is Jersey's dad...

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ARTIFACT

um, isn't the TRUTH the history and location of the ARTIFACT ( or device) that the Apocalypso found in space?

which has been hidden and covered up by ONI

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AngriBuddhist wrote:
At this point, aren't you basically saying that Herzog=HitchHiker=CastAway?

Could Jersey's father being a beacon man be a cover up?

Neither Durga nor Jersey know this?

The unknown reason that Durga is "connected" to Jersey is not simply
that his father is the CastAway, but is also the man hunting down the "Artifact"?

Herzog was on the ship, befriended Melissa, and introduced the Flea when
he got her trust?


yeah, i was still under the impression that castaway = Morrelli and Mckaskill was talking to the GOM over chatter only
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SuperJerms wrote:
I think we're under the impression that Herzog was BS'ing about being on Troy...possibly to make trouble for Standish (via Rani).


If the sound files are taken chronologically, he didn't know about Rani at the time.
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Re: ARTIFACT

rose wrote:
um, isn't the TRUTH the history and location of the ARTIFACT ( or device) that the Apocalypso found in space?

which has been hidden and covered up by ONI


Or perhaps the function of the artifact. Maybe the artifact, unlike the crystal shard, provides a stable Time travel mechanism.
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Re: ARTIFACT

johnny_Nitro wrote:
rose wrote:
um, isn't the TRUTH the history and location of the ARTIFACT ( or device) that the Apocalypso found in space?

which has been hidden and covered up by ONI


Or perhaps the function of the artifact. Maybe the artifact, unlike the crystal shard, provides a stable Time travel mechanism.


if a naked shard of crystal can warp time in wonky ways, I would spec that a completely intact crystal harnassed through a piece of Forerunner technology could provide much more stable and controllable time travel
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AngriBuddhist wrote:
At this point, aren't you basically saying that Herzog=HitchHiker=CastAway?

Could Jersey's father being a beacon man be a cover up?

Neither Durga nor Jersey know this?

The unknown reason that Durga is "connected" to Jersey is not simply
that his father is the CastAway, but is also the man hunting down the "Artifact"?

Herzog was on the ship, befriended Melissa, and introduced the Flea when
he got her trust?


No, I think we assumed that in the beginning, but I don't think it's true.
Herzog (if he's the old man that McKaskill was talking to) came aboard at a different time. They picked up the Castaway in deep space.
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Re: [SPEC] What is the "Truth" being sought?

johnny_Nitro wrote:
One thing that throws me off a bit would be his motivation. Is he just suspicious? What would prompt him to plant a bug in a military AI?
Did someone (perhaps Standish?) send the Apocalypso to that area of space in order to capture the artifact? Was the flea a "sleeper" back door that was activated when the artifact was detected?

Two theories on Herzog's motiviation.

(1) Because, as Herzog says in calculus.wav:

Herzog wrote:
I'm stuck in a dusty old office and no one tells me anything!

Herzog just plain doesn't trust Standish, so he uses his "Cranky Old Man" persona, "volunteers" like McKaskill, inflitration software like the Seeker, and any other means possible to try to find out what's really happening.

(2) Because of something we don't yet know about Harmony. From harmony.wav:

Herzog wrote:
Then Harmony. Harmony is the instructive one.

And from calculus.wav:

Herzog wrote:
Have you been thinking about Harmony?
Lieutenant wrote:
Yes sir! Oh... oh my god... You mean Troy and Harmony are--?

It might even be something in those three still-locked recipe3 clips. Bang Head

(MeKiwi: Heading over to the other thread now.)
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johnny_Nitro wrote:
AngriBuddhist wrote:
At this point, aren't you basically saying that Herzog=HitchHiker=CastAway?

Could Jersey's father being a beacon man be a cover up?

Neither Durga nor Jersey know this?

The unknown reason that Durga is "connected" to Jersey is not simply
that his father is the CastAway, but is also the man hunting down the "Artifact"?

Herzog was on the ship, befriended Melissa, and introduced the Flea when
he got her trust?


No, I think we assumed that in the beginning, but I don't think it's true.
Herzog (if he's the old man that McKaskill was talking to) came aboard at a different time. They picked up the Castaway in deep space.



Also, McKaskill said the Castaway gave him a name that possibly wasn't his real one. Which one is that? Jason Morelli or Herzog? Can't be Herzog cuz he uses it for his ONI business; you gotta have a real name for that. And Jason Morelli can't be fake, it's a true name for Jersey's father.

So is this the same person? If so, what's his true name and what's his false one?
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Re; [SPEC] What is the "Truth" being sought?

Ceantari wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
AngriBuddhist wrote:
At this point, aren't you basically saying that Herzog=HitchHiker=CastAway?

No, I think we assumed that in the beginning, but I don't think it's true.
Herzog (if he's the old man that McKaskill was talking to) came aboard at a different time. They picked up the Castaway in deep space.

Also, McKaskill said the Castaway gave him a name that possibly wasn't his real one. Which one is that? Jason Morelli or Herzog? Can't be Herzog cuz he uses it for his ONI business; you gotta have a real name for that. And Jason Morelli can't be fake, it's a true name for Jersey's father.

So is this the same person? If so, what's his true name and what's his false one?

No, McKaskill never mentioned the Castaway. He said the old man he talked to gave him a (probably) false name, but no one ever said it was the Castaway. That was a popular spec earlier, but I think it's losing support, as johnny_Nitro pointed out above.

To summarize: I think that Jason Morelli was Melissa's "Castaway"; that Herzog was likely the old man to whom McKaskill spoke; that those are two different people; and that those are their respective real names.
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