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MikeBlumenthal
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 		So, I was walking around my local area, when I found this place.

Seems like Masky just wants Jay to help a worthy cause.

http://www.wirralark.org.uk/

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bobthecrusher
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 		OT theory!: the tapes aren't of j's blackout, they're TTA's tapes, which he's been using to make the videos. That is all. Thank you.

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LichFox
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JKatkina wrote:
While I agree that because the Operator is supernatural and thus pretty much able to do whatever the creators of the story need him to be able to do, I'm going to address your second point in regards to who TTA is.

What if TTA was trying to communicate cryptically for a reason? Maybe you are a little bit right, and the Operator has some access to the technology of the internet or some such and that he could theoretically view the TTA videos or something -- or at the very least, he could pluck the concept of them out of someone's mind and examine them that way. Were that the case (and functioning under the idea that TTA is NOT working for or with the Operator, for the sake of argument), it would not be a far leap to assume that TTA is being cryptic so that the Operator will not understand what TTA is hoping that Jay will.

This is especially likely if TTA is Masky, and is using the mask to hide his identity from the Operator. For that reason, dropping oblique hints in videos as to his identity (such as Tim's face overlaid at the end of Messages) would be a way to try and communicate with Jay his identity without putting himself at risk of being 'found out'.

I think that the Operator understands the gross generalities of humanity, but fails on the specifics and the subtleties. He understands humanity to the same degree that he's able to take a human form -- he gets the shape right, but durned if he understands the relevance of all of those bits and toggles on the head, or those wiggly digits at the ends of the limbs. For that reason, the TTA videos would go right over his head -- he wouldn't even get that they have any communicative relevance to them, not like we understand. They'd basically be white noise to him, static. In that way, that kind of metaphor and oblique reference would be the perfect anti-Operator camouflage for any important information.


Very good point, and that could certainly be the case. That does make me wonder why Masky seems to chase and/or attack J nearly every time they meet. I'm new, so if this has already been addressed, feel free to link me to any threads covering this.

I also wonder why Masky would separate J and Jessica so soon, as Dray mentioned. One possible explanation I could think of off the top of my head would be that perhaps Slendy put them together for some purpose, and Masky was attempting to separate them to thwart that purpose. Masky may have been waiting until Jessica disappeared to drive J away. If Jessica is going through similar experiences to J, she could have disappeared/been teleported away, like J was from his apartment in the security footage. It seems as though that would be an opportune moment to separate them. Just a thought. Since I'm new and still reviewing old info from the forums here (there is a lot), I'm still in the speculation stage.

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 		That could be it; if Slendy and Masky aren't working together, could be that Masky was waiting for Jessica to take the heat before he got Jay out of there? If Slendy-- I guess I should use 'the Operator', sometimes I slip up -- and Masky are working together, I don't see much of a reason behind the sudden change in plans, unless they knew that Jay and Jessica working together would cause them grief. But then, why would they be in rooms next to one another to begin with if that was the case?

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Rogue Thoughts
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MikeBlumenthal wrote:
So, I was walking around my local area, when I found this place.

Seems like Masky just wants Jay to help a worthy cause.

http://www.wirralark.org.uk/

There's an ARK in my area, too. But the ARK here is an animal shelter.

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 		I'm getting so restless. I need a new entry.

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Indextic wrote:
I'm getting so restless. I need a new entry.


I hope we get a video in the next few days...he seemed to post every week and a half or so for a while, but in his blog said there might be a little extra time between entries because now they have to go out and film, rehearse, edit, etc.

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ninjaboyjnw
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 		Wiki update by yours truly
Hey everyone, just wanted to say that thanks to the great Dav Flamerock, I recently became a editor on the wiki. Yesterday I used this great power to update the page for Entry #33. I just wanted to let you guys and gals know so that I could get some feedback on how I did.

Also, just to allow me to look like less of a troll promoting himself, I have to ask...

Has anyone noticed the lack of visual and audio distortion in most of the first season's videos? It strikes me as kinda weird...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Yes I know that it may be just because Marble Hornets wasn't prepared for high tech recording at the time, but still...


Anyway, thanks for checking this post out,

See you later,

Zero

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blahblah
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 		Re: Wiki update by yours truly
ninjaboyjnw wrote:

Has anyone noticed the lack of visual and audio distortion in most of the first season's videos? It strikes me as kinda weird...

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Yes I know that it may be just because Marble Hornets wasn't prepared for high tech recording at the time, but still...



Zero

Yeah, there was distortion, there would be like... the rectangle? that popped up at the bottom of the screen... idk how to explain it. The lack of audio distortion in the first few videos is because TTA removed it. You can hear the missing audio in some of the TTA videos, and audio distortion is clearly present.



Also, there is a MarbleHornets viewing party on livestream, a full run through of both season 1 and 2.

http://www.livestream.com/typicaloddities

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Sylvine
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 		Please punch some holes into this, 'cause I can't seem to put full force into my own punching attempts. I just like the idea too much.

We've always had reasons to suspect J might be a very unreliable narrator, but ever since entry ####, there was a different thought lurking in the depths of my mind - and I'm sure not only mine - namely, that we don't know who we're dealing with. There are a lot of direct and indirect implications to TTA invading J's account. The direct, of course, being: Big deal, he got his password somehow. The indirect, though, is much more sinister.

The Youtube channel and the Twitter account are the only means through which J will communicate with us. Then, suddenly, TTA gains control of the Youtube account, if only - apparently - temporarily. But that's okay, J is there on Twitter to assure us he didn't post that.

Beginning of season 2, we get three Tweetpics on J's Tweeter. Again, J hastens to explain that he didn't post those, but here we run into a problem.

The implications are obvious and scary at the same time - both accounts have been invaded and corrupted once; the info coming from them is not reliable anymore even WITH suspension of disbelief. We have been told ingame that TTA can apparently mess with the exclusive means of communication with us, the viewers, at any time.

I found it rather funny how J hastened to say he didn't post the three twitpics, while simultanously telling us he didn't remember the last seven months. It can be easily dismissed as a momentary lapse, an unplanned goof, and quite frankly, that's probably all it is. But it doesn't have to be. Similar to the message in entry ##### - 'control has been taken away from you' - it could be a subtle clue.

But wouldn't J notice if TTA was planting stuff in his name? Not if he's not able to notice due to not being around anymore. Yep, I'm proposing the theory that it's not J who is posting the entries anymore.

Okay, so the evidence towards it is rather scarce, true. Except for the two intrusions, the only thing I've got left is that J's entries pick up where we've left them - he's going from hotel to hotel - for seven months? Man, he's gotta be loaded.

Two things punch a rather big hole into it already, though - entry #26, where J speaks to the camera, and the outdoor shots in the woods, which show us that they were made rather recently, what with the bare trees and rotten leaves on the ground, plus the warm clothing. Both can be explained away, but the ammount of mind gymnastics needed to do that is too great for it to be really feasible.

Also, this could be easily busted by one live event (EMH style) featuring J, heh.

Nevertheless, I wanted to put this out here, see what other people think, even if only to bust that line of thought completely and not be distracted by similar thoughts again.

Damn, I'd love that kind of twist, though.

~Sylv

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TomCat
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Sylvine wrote:
Okay, so the evidence towards it is rather scarce, true. Except for the two intrusions, the only thing I've got left is that J's entries pick up where we've left them - he's going from hotel to hotel - for seven months? Man, he's gotta be loaded.

While I don't exactly subscribe to your theory (although it is quite interesting - nice speculation there), I can't help but agree with your comment on Jay moving from hotel to hotel for such a long period of time without ever once mentioning money being an issue. This, in my opinion, is a bit of a flaw in the story (even though it's probably not relevant to the in-game story at all). I remember when I first watched Entry 27 and when the text came across the screen that said his room was only booked for the night, the first thing that came to my mind was "So how is he going to afford to stay here any longer without any money?" Also, how has he been buying gas for his car to drive to all of these hotels, not to mention buying food and drink for sustenance every single day of those 7 months (he does still need to eat, right?) - I mean, come on, living even an extremely unsocial life such as Jay's still comes with a heavy price tag, especially if you haven't done anything to earn money in 7 months.

Anyway, this is just something that has been bothering me since the beginning of Season 2, and since you brought it up here it rekindled the fire in my mind on this one.

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LichFox
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Sylvine wrote:
Please punch some holes into this, 'cause I can't seem to put full force into my own punching attempts. I just like the idea too much.

We've always had reasons to suspect J might be a very unreliable narrator, but ever since entry ####, there was a different thought lurking in the depths of my mind - and I'm sure not only mine - namely, that we don't know who we're dealing with. There are a lot of direct and indirect implications to TTA invading J's account. The direct, of course, being: Big deal, he got his password somehow. The indirect, though, is much more sinister.


You make some good points, but you just made another thought occur to me. This has probably been covered somewhere before, but how do we know TTA hacked J's account? TTA could be J when he loses his memory. It's a bit cliché, but there could be a "multiple personality" sort of deal going on. Not saying I believe that necessarily, but it's a possibility that occurred to me due to your comments.

TomCat wrote:
While I don't exactly subscribe to your theory (although it is quite interesting - nice speculation there), I can't help but agree with your comment on Jay moving from hotel to hotel for such a long period of time without ever once mentioning money being an issue. This, in my opinion, is a bit of a flaw in the story (even though it's probably not relevant to the in-game story at all). I remember when I first watched Entry 27 and when the text came across the screen that said his room was only booked for the night, the first thing that came to my mind was "So how is he going to afford to stay here any longer without any money?" Also, how has he been buying gas for his car to drive to all of these hotels, not to mention buying food and drink for sustenance every single day of those 7 months (he does still need to eat, right?) - I mean, come on, living even an extremely unsocial life such as Jay's still comes with a heavy price tag, especially if you haven't done anything to earn money in 7 months.


It doesn't bother me much. He's not going to post videos about how he's making money. It's not really relevant, and it's unrealistic that someone would post about their job with all this crazy stuff going on. Also, people take off and leave for a year or two all the time.

I remember reading about one woman who saved up, quit her job, and traveled through South America for a year. There are bikers and other people who save up or make money through odd jobs. Another point, J has a laptop. Some people telecommute or have technical jobs that don't require going into an office. J could have even been doing something for work on the computer the night his surveillance camera in his apartment caught him disappearing. Some people have a good deal of money from inheritance or stocks.

There are a number of ways through which he could afford his current activities, and inserting that information in now, unless it is subtle, could take away from the story or seem out of place.

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LichFox wrote:
It doesn't bother me much. He's not going to post videos about how he's making money. It's not really relevant, and it's unrealistic that someone would post about their job with all this crazy stuff going on. Also, people take off and leave for a year or two all the time.

I remember reading about one woman who saved up, quit her job, and traveled through South America for a year. There are bikers and other people who save up or make money through odd jobs. Another point, J has a laptop. Some people telecommute or have technical jobs that don't require going into an office. J could have even been doing something for work on the computer the night his surveillance camera in his apartment caught him disappearing. Some people have a good deal of money from inheritance or stocks.

There are a number of ways through which he could afford his current activities, and inserting that information in now, unless it is subtle, could take away from the story or seem out of place.


This has been discussed before in the entry threads. The general consensus is that it doesn't really require too much suspension of disbelief, but that he's most likely either got a job he can do from 'home' (term used lightly) or he's still living off of his student loans. I doubt we'd hear any more about this until after season two is over in a Q&A of some sort, and even then I don't think it'll be any big revelation, just a 'he had money saved up' type of situation like LichFox pointed out.

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ninjaboyjnw
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 		Hey everyone,

going over Entry 32 to create a transcript for the wiki, I noticed something really... weird.

It seems like the emotional state and the audio and video distortion problems are linked. For example, at around 0:42 in Entry 32, as Jessica gets more pissed off, the audio distortion worsens, and at 1:41 when Jessica is trying to get all of the info off her chest, the audio and the video seem to freak out.

The only possible thing that I can think of is that whoever or whomever is in control here leeches energy or something off of emotions, especially negative ones. The process of the energy transfer may be what's causing the distortion.

Let me know what you think on this,
Zero

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LichFox wrote:
TomCat wrote:
While I don't exactly subscribe to your theory (although it is quite interesting - nice speculation there), I can't help but agree with your comment on Jay moving from hotel to hotel for such a long period of time without ever once mentioning money being an issue. This, in my opinion, is a bit of a flaw in the story (even though it's probably not relevant to the in-game story at all). I remember when I first watched Entry 27 and when the text came across the screen that said his room was only booked for the night, the first thing that came to my mind was "So how is he going to afford to stay here any longer without any money?" Also, how has he been buying gas for his car to drive to all of these hotels, not to mention buying food and drink for sustenance every single day of those 7 months (he does still need to eat, right?) - I mean, come on, living even an extremely unsocial life such as Jay's still comes with a heavy price tag, especially if you haven't done anything to earn money in 7 months.


It doesn't bother me much. He's not going to post videos about how he's making money. It's not really relevant, and it's unrealistic that someone would post about their job with all this crazy stuff going on. Also, people take off and leave for a year or two all the time.

I remember reading about one woman who saved up, quit her job, and traveled through South America for a year. There are bikers and other people who save up or make money through odd jobs. Another point, J has a laptop. Some people telecommute or have technical jobs that don't require going into an office. J could have even been doing something for work on the computer the night his surveillance camera in his apartment caught him disappearing. Some people have a good deal of money from inheritance or stocks.

There are a number of ways through which he could afford his current activities, and inserting that information in now, unless it is subtle, could take away from the story or seem out of place.

You make some good points there, I didn't think about a technical job from home (which would be within the realm of Jay's abilities). But, like you said, it's really irrelevant anyway.

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