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[SickSlickMan]

[Shiawase]

[qaqa]

I believe the others were bleeding from the ears.

I support sending or at least showing them the Christmas ornament. I had wanted to ask HABIT about it, but this is a decent idea. If we can somehow find a controlled situation to expose them to this stuff as opposed to just sending them potential time bombs, that'd be good too but let's face it, the story still needs to move.

[DZombar]

We know some things are triggers to bad and some are triggers to good. Ashen Waste and the Hidden Videos= Bad for the parties involved. Is it possible that some things are not meant to be seen or for us to consider our actions with a outcome roulette.

In order to progress we do need to do something but does anyone think it might be a good idea to start looking back for things we did that helped them and didn't cause a terrible outcome?

If we can do that we might figure out a way to get them of a safer path, we know there was one last piece of corruption on that usb but is it a good idea to tell them to look at it?

Should we show them something smaller and less conspicuous. If we do have sway in this we might need to start re-evaluating all of our actions in order to help.

So HYBRIDS does anyone else think that Evan's resistance might be a clue to us? I'm starting to think maybe he has something more concrete than the others. If not then we need to consider who else might have some hidden information that might help them rather than cause issues for everyone.

[grieck]

Resistance from Evan...AHAH!

Clearly the fact that Evan is resisting shows he's less vulnerable to It. What is so special about Evan? His lack of computer/internet skills. CLEARLY this is brought about by the internet and his ignorance is saving him.

Irony: Despite the above being in jest, from a Meta stand point This IS a result of the internet. The Internet Urban Legend of Slenderman that cuased the creation of EMH.

[Soleil]

I'm just going to throw this one out there in a haphazard manner:
Is Evan the Tragic Hero?

-he seems to be more resistant
-he's taken actioney action (slender+bat)
-he wants tog et stuff done

seems hero-ey to me.
IDK about the unattainable companion, though, or how it fits with the [enter] thing (in terms of timing), but maybe the gist of what I'm saying, isn't so far from the truth?

[edited for clarity, I had more thoughts]
I mean we've all been assuming he's crazy or often inHABITed, perhaps this is the part that makes it tragic (and likely an inevitable downfall). If his wnat for action makes him heroic, perhaps it would also be his flaw? The only argument I can see against this aspect of my epileptic tree, is that, judging from the last livestream, he seems to have learned from his previous endeavors.

[Lookbehindyou]

[Lookbehindyou]

[lunaticfish]

The "internet resistance" theory is really interesting. As for Evan being the "hero", while he does stand out in several ways, you can't forget he also stands out significantly as a villian as well ("rabbit or habit", anyone?), and that each of the boys is basically set up as pure potential. All we know is that things can go anywhere from here. I do however have to add a comment on the record of Slenderman versus the World. It's pretty much S-17,465,184,651,327 : W-0.
I agree with Zombar, it's easy to forget we have effect on the story. Even if it's only a little, maybe we should try to push them towards safer paths for a while. Informational things, not actions. Again, even if things are already moving out of control we should focus on making sure they're being smart and safe. Maybe starting with asking about Alex or getting into the Corenthal letters.

[qaqa]

The thing is, I can't imagine how we would even begin to take control of this situation, assuming for a moment that the option is even available to us which I am not convinced it is - I think a lot of this is a steady downward spiral trajectory demanded by a plot the EMH crew has largely predetermined, and I often think we can only affect certain aspects of that.

And let's look at this: What have we got to work with? IG there is no outside control person to handle them on a regular basis, unless someone somehow gets drafted like GreenFeathers. So we have four kids plus Alex, all of whom have been compromised by SM (I don't count Alex out as I'm not sure he'd be much help here - look at his apathy regarding dealing with the Rake for so long), all of whom are unreliable narrators/contacts, all of whom have mental fog and all sorts of issues we only have scratched the surface of. How do we handle that?

And you have to consider this - what is good for them may not necessarily be what furthers the plot. In virtually every case thus far, stuff that has moved things forward has been disastrous for the guys. If we were to try and take an active role and protect them somehow, well, at this point protecting them could theoretically be telling them nothing or withholding information.

Looking at it now, I think breaking Steph out is exactly what SM wanted, to bring the kids back together, so in that sense when we had Rhiannon pushing Jeff to acknowledge certain discrepancies that made him realize the hidden videos were real and he needed to get "Damsel" out to act as an observer, all we really did was make things worse. We expanded our own scope of knowledge as to just how fucked up the guys are, but what have they gotten out of it?

I don't know how you balance "saving the gang" and "learning the truth" and I'm not sure it's really possible. But I would say that a start might be approaching all of them "live," either in chat or a Ustream or whatever, and discussing the soldier or the letters or something. At least then we're actively involved - I dunno.

[Brumaster]

i think time´s up for trial four...

[DZombar]

qaqa has a point, we might only have a limited section and that some things were already predetermined, which seems a pretty likely case at points.

Watch as I contradict myself right now. While it might be a great idea to try to go with a safer path it might hamper progress as well. We have information, we might want to share it but the sharing might want to be done in a manner that we can see the immediate reaction.

While things can go wonderfully from some information being shared other things might cause it to go terribly terribly wrong. Perhaps bring up the letter and ornament before trying to get them to see if they can finally see the other corrupt file from the usb now?

We might have unreliable narrators right now but that doesn't mean we can't try to help them sort things out a little before it goes even more into a possibly inevitable entropy.

So guys what do we know that we can offer up to try and help without possibly causing the entropy to break out in a healter skelter of crazy...or at least have it not go into full blown crazy entropy mode without us helping things possibly get sorted out. Maybe the ornament and letter can help them figure out the letters from before or string something together?

[Luipaard]

[qaqa]

I would show them the soldier and the letter, and try to engage them or perhaps Jeff if he's the most level-headed about exactly what they said in "The Hidden Videos" and how it relates to the letters we have seen about these children. I'd ask about their own parents and families and history, and see if we come up against any glitches or obvious holes. It may trigger a freakout, but it's all we can do, I think. Assuming for a second it is not a huge continuity gaffe after all, I'd also bring up that we heard what sounded like Jeff and Alex's parents when Evan headed to the house to confront the Rake.

It's possible someone could also approach Evan solo, since I think he is SM's own version of a "control" in this sort of human experiment. Assuming for a moment he was conscious, or the first one conscious, "eight minutes later" and that he is the primary vessel for HABIT, then he might be a way for us to learn more than what the others either consciously or unconsciously have access to. He's always been the one most receptive to hearing about crazy supernatural goings-on. His conscious personality, at least, wants the truth. So maybe we should try giving it to him, either about himself or about all of it. Maybe don't go through Jeff.

I'd stay away from more footage or situations we cannot immediately monitor - if Jeff or someone says, oh thanks we'll get right on it, well, we've seen where that leads, and maybe we should tell them so and that perhaps it's not a good idea. This is somewhat impossible to control since the EMH crew are going to do whatever they want to move the story forward their way, but if we have any opportunity only to show them some of this stuff either in gchat or Ustreams or whatever live setting, I think we should take it.

[Luipaard]