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OmegaLimit
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distilled wrote:
catherwood wrote:
I am compelled to look at everything that includes the word 'cipher'
http://www.argn.com/images/oldsoldiers_cipher.jpg
and then transcribe it:
Code:
PMHCI QSZYO GWTDP VOUHN HQQMM QWQST Z?GTU GYMFM UKMHO
KPYAO IJYTu REVDM MVMEP BKWTV NBGFF NIAAF DXMTY UELTD
XOFDG HBFLF UZLZT OWPJC ARAVS ZYCDG PSKJV PYLKJ KPMQT
EAOYA MTBHX NBFGQ HJMZH BFFBP FKPYO AGRKM GMPMX XUOYJ
HOABP JILWN SFOKE VLPLS NPKAX VAIYO TDMXO HMHGO L?BHD
ZIUYA WJRFG FLIST WHEXQ GUMJJ SAXNS SBDGG PVWXU VCQHO
PBWAO TUNEN BNHSX JUCGS PEKNG HQZPT APOZP YANHZ VZWNS
PLXJZ VGQVA AVIED QXBJT PZTFN BKYZP XRHOL WEDDH FYZGE
RVWKL NFURL BNQAG LPKUH IYCRM FTEVZ HFMML REOPD CRJBK
BHHPJ PSQXH WOKPW ISIRC RLJYH XAGKY IIXFM RDBBL EYUFX
XIAUB VLVIX MEPBA RDUKS RESHA OOALT GGTFI SDJAC SKFLQ
RMUWN FVOHS NFAEI UJQAJ TEXXH EYPMG MFQVE ECNTH XVHBW
ZRSLY LTWHQ NJWQP UXBHM DDQIK XESSL IFQOO DPLMR JMQHE
DDPJE XGXWP XGOAF UFVHP BRIVP UNYRF IAFCQ DFLDM GPRLM
YEFBM KVDVA OXGZA ADEGD DYOIR ATJTS VCUFS DIWGQ DLCWF
BHCPV XADMG WVQBL PSOBB CJJSH UZGKW YGOYG IAMHM CQXGV
YOQWC FNQEW KJWX

I had problems in a few spots and left a ? in places


There are a total of 734 characters, which is unremarkable except for being an even number. Do we know any ciphers which split the letter strings into 5 letter segments? Doesn't playfair do that?


My hunch is that there is an overlay for the cipher page that will will block out all but a few letters. That would mean that most of the letters are noise.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:17 pm
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thebruce
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 		Re: Site down!
AnonymousOtter wrote:
The website seems down... If you enter the URL in your address bar, you pull up a blank page. Someone please cross-check this "fact." My school computers are unreliable at times...

Yep, if you try loading the SWF file that's being embedded, you'll find it's pulling a 404. Seems someone deleted the website flash Confused
I'd guess it's been like that for a while, so it doesn't seem like they're in the middle of an update. Hope someone gets on that quick.
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Zynon
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 		Re: Site down!
AnonymousOtter wrote:
OmegaLimit wrote:
AnonymousOtter wrote:
Got sent back a reply three or four days after taking the test.
My friend received his sooner... same day, I believe...

Same code on both:

UIJT JT B TJNQMF TVCTUJUVUJPM DPEF CTU J OFFE UP LOPX UIF SJHIU
QFPQMF HFU JMFG ZPV DBO SFBE UIJT FNBJM CBDL XJUIUIF TVCKFDU MPLJ

The cipher, anyone?


Go back a few pages to the posts around February 6th. You'll find your answers there.


Sensed that, thanks...
Oh, btw!!! Notice!!!!

The website seems down... If you enter the URL in your address bar, you pull up a blank page. Someone please cross-check this "fact." My school computers are unreliable at times...

EDIT: Checked the page source. The website is still blank for me, but the page source says that everything is pretty much the same. Right clicked a few times. Around the central area of my monitor (appx. a rectangle an inch smaller on all sides than my 17.5x12.25 inch monitor), I get a "Movie not loaded" sidebar, while around that, I get the normal "Back/Forward/etc." sidebar.


Yea, the site doesn't seem to be up anymore.

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operator0013
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 		age discrepancy
I don't know if anyone has noticed but according to the John Jacob Henry's gravestone he was born on July 4th, 1971. According to the death certificate he was a Cattle Rancher who died of a heart attack in 1983. A married twelve year old Cattle Rancher falling dead of a coronary strikes me as suspicious...even for Australia.

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malevolentNeon
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 		Note that the cipher is likely a double transposition cipher; Double columnar transposition ciphers were often used during WW2, which connects to the 69th infantry. Because it's double, that means that it's been encoded using this cipher twice. Using ARGtools to brute force the cipher without a codeword yields no results, just gibberish, which leads me to believe it's double.

Which means one of two possibilities; even if you find the codeword, you have to decipher the message twice using it to get the true message, or there are two codewords, one for each encoding.

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Stiffy77
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Location: Toronto Canada

 		Virtual U.S. Army Cipher Device
I've asked around for help on this and a smart friend led me to this site:
http://members.aon.at/cipherclerk/VirtualM94.html
It has an applet that decodes text similar to what we're working with.
I've tried the following keys: jacobsladder, jakobsladder, ouroburous, johnsmith, megsarahstreet, karljustice, justice, maryelizahenry, johnjacobhenry, henry, johnhenry, johnathandesmondquinn, loki, salimkhel, salim, khel, soldiers, oldsoldiers, oldsoldiersneverdie, oddjobs...and so on. Essentially everything I could find in any document we've received.

Unfortunately this code would requires the cipher device to match what we're working with and that could require too much luck.
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knarF
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 		Re: age discrepancy
operator0013 wrote:
I don't know if anyone has noticed but according to the John Jacob Henry's gravestone he was born on July 4th, 1971. According to the death certificate he was a Cattle Rancher who died of a heart attack in 1983. A married twelve year old Cattle Rancher falling dead of a coronary strikes me as suspicious...even for Australia.


I pointed this out on the last page. The weirder thing is that his headstone for his grave says he died in 1971. And it's weird that the burial on his death cert is 2 months after him supposedly dying. There's something weird about the death cert for sure.

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Liave Ekeli
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 		Re: age discrepancy
knarF wrote:
operator0013 wrote:
I don't know if anyone has noticed but according to the John Jacob Henry's gravestone he was born on July 4th, 1971. According to the death certificate he was a Cattle Rancher who died of a heart attack in 1983. A married twelve year old Cattle Rancher falling dead of a coronary strikes me as suspicious...even for Australia.


I pointed this out on the last page. The weirder thing is that his headstone for his grave says he died in 1971. And it's weird that the burial on his death cert is 2 months after him supposedly dying. There's something weird about the death cert for sure.


So, maybe we're dealing with two different people, and a case of stolen identity? Or 1971-John Henry could be the son of died-1983-John Henry...?
Marie Bontemps could have changed her name to Mary E. Henry, or been known by that name while she was married, and the burial thing could be explained if there were some suspicious circumstances surrounding his death, but a heart attack doesn't seem that suspicious, and there's something way off about the death cert.

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Stiffy77
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 		another wrong date
My smart friend found out some other interesting info:

Not sure if it is deliberate but the seal on the oldsoldiers_cipher.jpg document the year 1776 is wrong.
The official seal of the United States Army has the date 1775, "to commemorate the year in which the Army was created with the appointment of General George Washington as Commander in Chief. "
source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/7-21-13/chap4.htm#4-3-3

I tried using 1776 as a key for this cipher: http://ruffnekk.stormloader.com/bazeries_info.html
but no luck so far. Still wanted to share the inconsistency of the year with you guys.
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hexDa3m0n
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 		letter frequncy analysis on the code, would suggest it is not a straight forward substitution or columnar transposition cipher (or double).

All of the letters appear between 2% and 5%, rather than the normal English of 0 and 13%.

This would point more towards Enigma machine (which still fits for WWII) or some other rotor variant, to produce this.

Again, this requires a key, but, the Enigma key is a bit easier to spot (in some ways!!!)
We need to know the order of the rotors (probably 3, maybe 4 or 5)
the inital position of the rotors (ie ACD)
and any special transpositions (up to 6 I think)

I'm trying to write some code that will cycle through all the combinations, and test for letter frequency, but it ain't easy.....
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operator0013
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 		missed it
your right knarF I totally missed that post. However on top of the time travel scenario we should probably put cloning in the back of our minds too in case any supporting evidence comes up, the dates definitely don't make sense as they are at the moment.

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FINNENGARLSH
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 		Re: missed it
operator0013 wrote:
your right knarF I totally missed that post. However on top of the time travel scenario we should probably put cloning in the back of our minds too in case any supporting evidence comes up, the dates definitely don't make sense as they are at the moment.


Cloning would make since, seeing as how it had already been stated the Karl Justice died ten years prior to this scenario, yet he has shown up again. It could be a clone... or just some guy using his name.

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OmegaLimit wrote:
distilled wrote:
catherwood wrote:
I am compelled to look at everything that includes the word 'cipher'
http://www.argn.com/images/oldsoldiers_cipher.jpg
and then transcribe it:
Code:
PMHCI QSZYO GWTDP VOUHN HQQMM QWQST Z?GTU GYMFM UKMHO
KPYAO IJYTu REVDM MVMEP BKWTV NBGFF NIAAF DXMTY UELTD
XOFDG HBFLF UZLZT OWPJC ARAVS ZYCDG PSKJV PYLKJ KPMQT
EAOYA MTBHX NBFGQ HJMZH BFFBP FKPYO AGRKM GMPMX XUOYJ
HOABP JILWN SFOKE VLPLS NPKAX VAIYO TDMXO HMHGO L?BHD
ZIUYA WJRFG FLIST WHEXQ GUMJJ SAXNS SBDGG PVWXU VCQHO
PBWAO TUNEN BNHSX JUCGS PEKNG HQZPT APOZP YANHZ VZWNS
PLXJZ VGQVA AVIED QXBJT PZTFN BKYZP XRHOL WEDDH FYZGE
RVWKL NFURL BNQAG LPKUH IYCRM FTEVZ HFMML REOPD CRJBK
BHHPJ PSQXH WOKPW ISIRC RLJYH XAGKY IIXFM RDBBL EYUFX
XIAUB VLVIX MEPBA RDUKS RESHA OOALT GGTFI SDJAC SKFLQ
RMUWN FVOHS NFAEI UJQAJ TEXXH EYPMG MFQVE ECNTH XVHBW
ZRSLY LTWHQ NJWQP UXBHM DDQIK XESSL IFQOO DPLMR JMQHE
DDPJE XGXWP XGOAF UFVHP BRIVP UNYRF IAFCQ DFLDM GPRLM
YEFBM KVDVA OXGZA ADEGD DYOIR ATJTS VCUFS DIWGQ DLCWF
BHCPV XADMG WVQBL PSOBB CJJSH UZGKW YGOYG IAMHM CQXGV
YOQWC FNQEW KJWX

I had problems in a few spots and left a ? in places


There are a total of 734 characters, which is unremarkable except for being an even number. Do we know any ciphers which split the letter strings into 5 letter segments? Doesn't playfair do that?


My hunch is that there is an overlay for the cipher page that will will block out all but a few letters. That would mean that most of the letters are noise.


What I'm most worried about is the last four letter segment in the end... Looking at the paper closely, there are the four slashed out letters that we don't know if they're intentional or not... And it's still difficult to figure out which letters are the true ones, the superimposed letters, or the hidden ones under that.

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 		Re: age discrepancy
knarF wrote:
operator0013 wrote:
I don't know if anyone has noticed but according to the John Jacob Henry's gravestone he was born on July 4th, 1971. According to the death certificate he was a Cattle Rancher who died of a heart attack in 1983. A married twelve year old Cattle Rancher falling dead of a coronary strikes me as suspicious...even for Australia.


I pointed this out on the last page. The weirder thing is that his headstone for his grave says he died in 1971. And it's weird that the burial on his death cert is 2 months after him supposedly dying. There's something weird about the death cert for sure.


This is a comic book... Death is usually not permanent and, for the most part, nothing more than an inconvenience. Wink
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SugarlessLlama
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 		Did you use a website to decode it? If so, which one?
notgordian wrote:
Transcription error on my part I'm sure, but translated message:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
It's a ROT-25:

THIS IS A SIMPLE SUBSTITUTIOL CODE BST I NEED TO KNOW THE RIGHT PEOPLE GET IL EF YOU CAN READ THIS EMAIL BAK WITH THESUBJECT LOKI

What it probably reads:
This is a simple substitution code but I need to know the right people get it. If you can read this email back with the subject Loki


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