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[TTA VIDEO] Fragments
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amrith777
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awakeasaurusrex wrote:

OK, my interpretation of the video:

- It's a response to Jay, like all the TTA videos, so I think it is fair to assume that TTA is addressing Jay with this rather than sending a message to Alex.

- So, why the picture of Alex?

- We don't know what happened to Alex after entry 26. Let's face it - we already had theories that TTA might have been the one who sent that video rather than Alex, and even if Alex did send it, it's been 7 months. Anything could have happened to him in that time.

- My guess, then: this is most likely TTA's way of saying "something really terrible happened to Alex, and it's going to happen to you too if you keep trying to remember". Or, alternately: "We used Alex until we had completely broken him and was no use to us. You don't remember it, but we did the same to you. We're moving on and we've disposed of you in the hotel. Have fun completely failing to accomplish anything ever."

Some theorising:

- Alex got close to the heart of the mystery once. REAL CLOSE. We still don't know the results of his investigation but it really does appear that he managed to find some answers which Jay still hasn't uncovered.

- We also know, from the "everyone's gone" speech, that things got real grim for Alex at some point in his investigation.

- And yet, suddenly Alex reverted to a normal life. Jay doesn't remember anything bad happening to him, even though Alex does say "Jay's gone". Alex was happy, had a nice place, appeared to have someone living with him, it was all cool.

- Theory time: maybe Alex cut a deal. His friends would be restored to him, memories suitably tampered with, and he would be allowed to live out the rest of his life (perhaps after being subjected to similar tampering). In return, the dark forces required him to observe a few simple rules: don't watch the tapes, don't film people or allow yourself to be filmed, and absolutely, positively no wifin' in the club.

- If Alex really wanted the tapes burned, he could have done it himself. So why did he give them to Jay? Perhaps he wanted to see if Jay remembered anything. Perhaps he thought that, since Jay was so insistent on seeing them, Jay could pick up the investigation where Alex left off (Alex not realising how incomplete the tapes were). Either way, it seemed like a reasonable risk.

- Things went wrong when Alex's girlfriend/wife/sister/whatever found the camera and started filming. Alex got agitated because he knew that the dark powers would take him appearing on film as a breach of the rules. Sure enough, Slendy showed up and shit hit the fan.

- So, possibly this video is a sign that Alex has been punished for his infraction? And that perhaps Jay's own condition is a consequence of Alex's inadvertent breaking of the rules. Perhaps by working against the spirit of the deal by giving Jay the tapes, Alex gave the dark forces and their puppets a chance to get back at him by leaving the camera in his house for him or his gf to find.

Wow!! I have no idea if any of this is true or accurate--but it sure sounds good.I am not particularly on any specific 'bandwagon' but after entry #26,I have tended to lean towards the theory that Alex was not only 'special' somehow--but that he DID somehow manage to,as you put it "cut a deal"--the bitter irony being that since other people were inherently involved,however 'innocently' like collateral damage,so to speak--they became and remain liabilities and Alex is the 'hub' and others the 'spokes' that jut out from him centrally.
I don't know if all that is coherent--but it makes sense in MY head,LOL Laughing

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:53 pm

poisonmolasses
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iSweet wrote:

Zarggg wrote:

Thinking about it... perhaps TTA=Jay's split personality might be plausible.

My memory of season 1 has been lacking lately, but have we seen evidence that Jay has been subject to the sickness/paranoia/etc that Tim and Alex were put through, and if so, do a degree where this could reasonably occur?

How would that explain Exit?

I've thought a lot about that, and while it certainly doesn't reek of "split-personality," it doesn't really negate the theory at all. Who's to say the footage wasn't already in J's (meaning Alex's) tapes? (yes, yes, I know there are rampant theories reasoning out why Alex couldn't POSSIBLY have recorded that footage, but I still think it's perfectly plausible.)

So far the video that really does make me question the split-personality theory is "Addition." No matter which was you tilt it, it just doesn't fit.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:58 pm

GrimBloodyFable
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poisonmolasses wrote:

TTA stayed quiet until the MOMENT J began acknowledging tapes regarding his own memories. I'm sorry but I'm still seeing a classic split-personality story here.

This post is from page 5 an' all, but just throwing this in the ring.

So Masky showed up in Entry 33. TTA responded to Entry 34. Surely if Masky knew Jay's location, he could have been watching him beforehand. This brings me on to my next point: Masky's filmed Jay before, why didn't he do it this time? Instead, he waited until Jay left to start uploading videos. That seems a little odd to me. Personally, I reckon that TTA and Masky are different people. I couldn't say who's who, but this is my current theory.

Apologies if this has been said before, or if there's a gaping logic hole that I missed. This isn't concrete, this is just an outline of a theory. Feel free to argue the toss with me.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:26 pm

Leśniak
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poisonmolasses wrote:

iSweet wrote:

Zarggg wrote:

How would that explain Exit?

They aren't "Rampant Theories", they're perfectly logical.

1. Exit takes place concurrently with Entry 13.
2. While J is getting the extra battery, Alex is exploring the structure and bumps into the Operator.
3. While this is going on, party C (TTA) is filming J retrieving the battery.

J could not be filming himself (unless he has extremely long, and extremely invisible, extra limbs), and Alex couldn't reasonably be said to be filming him either, because he was in a completely different place doing something completely different. In order for him to get the footage of J getting the battery, events would have to run something like:

1. J goes to get the battery
2. Alex films J getting the battery, then as J starts walking back to the woods, he turns his camera off and runs back to the Creepy Abandoned Pool
3. Once at the creepy abandoned pool, he turns the camera on again and has his encounter with O-face, all before
4. He presumably meets back up with J not too soon after

And bear in mind he'd be doing all this on a camera with a near flatlining battery.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:42 pm

redherring
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Posts: 469
Location: NJ

(Sorry if this ends up being a huge WOT, but I didn't want to double-post and I'm replying to a few people.)

ectobandit wrote:

This was way back on the first page, but... that smile was upside-down and later torn apart.

Also, regarding the lack of eyes in the second set of footage of the torn apart picture: maybe they're black, just like the mask? I don't know, I might be grasping at straws.

I'm confused about what you're trying to say here... the smile isn't upside-down (definition: frown). A few of us tried to piece together the scraps in Photoshop and unless his bottom teeth are massively disproportionate and are larger than his top row of teeth, that's definitely a smile.

As for the eyes, I'm also not sure what you're implying. Maybe you could elaborate? It sounds like you're implying the man in the photograph is Masky, but I don't know if that's just a guess or if I'm reading this wrong.

GrimBloodyFable wrote:

So Masky showed up in Entry 33. TTA responded to Entry 34. Surely if Masky knew Jay's location, he could have been watching him beforehand. This brings me on to my next point: Masky's filmed Jay before, why didn't he do it this time? Instead, he waited until Jay left to start uploading videos. That seems a little odd to me. Personally, I reckon that TTA and Masky are different people. I couldn't say who's who, but this is my current theory.

(Yay, people are theorizing! Very Happy

This is why I started following MH this season!)

You may be right with this, but something just sorta pushes me towards disagreeing. No real 'evidence', but whether or not Masky and TTA are one in the same or separate but connected individuals, I don't think TTA had to be posting footage of Jay just because he knew where he was. Sure, it was fun for him/her/it I'm sure, but as ##### pointed out, this is 'not a game' anymore.

If they are the same person, TTA/Masky didn't need to post videos of Jay because... well... he knew where Jay was. If he gave away this knowledge by posting closed circuit footage of him, Jay would've run long before.

If they're not the same person, though, then I guess neither of us have a reason to believe anything different here. I've always wondered about that too, whether Masky and TTA are on the same side (if they're different people) or if they have their own interpersonal struggles and allegiances to different parties (is one team Jay, one team Alex, or either on Slendy's side?).

Leśniak wrote:

Also, this ^

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:49 pm

Jynx62009
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I wonder how J will respond to this (on twitter like he has before), if he says anything about it at all that is.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:56 pm

MorbidPuppies
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Jynx62009 wrote:

I wonder how J will respond to this (on twitter like he has before), if he says anything about it at all that is.

I would hope J has the common courtesy to reply to his number one stalker, that video obviously took some time and effort to complete.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:00 pm

GrimBloodyFable
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redherring wrote:

(Yay, people are theorizing! Very Happy

Wait, this gave me an idea. What if ToTheArk is Masky... and someone else? Again, not too much evidence here, but maybe, just maybe, TTA is a joint account. One owner is Masky. He makes the live action videos (such as Addition). The other owner is unknown. (S)he makes the non-live action videos, using stock footage and previously seen MH clips (like Fragments, or Signal).

To be honest, this doesn't change too much, but as far as I know, it's entirely possible. There's no evidence against it.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:11 pm

GrimBloodyFable
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MorbidPuppies wrote:

I would hope J has the common courtesy to reply to his number one stalker, that video obviously took some time and effort to complete.

TTA's his number one stalker? Have I been replaced?

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:12 pm

purplesharpie
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redherring wrote:

ectobandit wrote:

This was way back on the first page, but... that smile was upside-down and later torn apart.

I think what they're trying to say is that the ripped-out piece of paper that has his smile on it is upside-down, not the smile itself. I noticed that too.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:16 pm

Ovenmix
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Joined: 11 Feb 2011
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Did anyone else here that awful ear splitting ring during the video?

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:28 pm

GrimBloodyFable
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Ovenmix wrote:

Did anyone else here that awful ear splitting ring during the video?

Damn you ta hell. I went back to listen again. Now there's earblood everywhere. EVERYWHERE. EVEN ON THE DAMN CAT.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:31 pm

bobthecrusher
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Quick question, is there a way to go and find if we've seen this picture before? It seems like the sort of thing TTA would do, make a vague reference to an older video with a strange picture.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:31 pm

GrimBloodyFable
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Wow, my brain's switched on today. A rare occurence. I mentioned in my other post an unknown person, the one who doesn't film Jay. What if he is Jay? Masky films Jay, Jay uploads the video, doesn't realise he's uploaded the video, etc. This satisfies the conditions for both 'Masky is TTA' and 'TTA is Jay's split personality'.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:00 pm

Megarain
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redherring wrote:

Leamony wrote:

incedio wrote:

And to the people trying to put it together, I kind of think that the way it is cut up and displayed, you probably won't get an actual picture, but that's just speculation.

It's true, some pieces are bent, some pieces look reversed, and I don't think they're all even from the same photograph.

But it will hopefully give us a more certain idea of who it might be.

Here's my attempt (hoping the attachment shows up...?). Sorry it's so sloppy, kind of a rush job...

(EDIT: Sorry again, had problems uploading. I didn't use 'every' piece because well... having trouble fitting some in >.> Hope this is a good start!)

Oh Hi Alex.

I just had a freaky theory.

What if J isn't real. What if he's just a construct, who's lost his connection to whatever is controlling him.

Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:02 pm

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