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[SPEC][QUESTION] McKaskill, James James, Herzog connection
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CoffeeJedi
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[SPEC][QUESTION] McKaskill, James James, Herzog connection

in the axon clips, it just seems like their connection comes out of the blue, there's no strong link set up between them prior. How does McKaskill know JJ? It's pretty accepted that he was talking to Herzog in the guise of the Grumpy Ol' Man on the Apocolypso, so what's the Weedy / J^2 connection?

also, was any one else surprised that McKaskill was black? I guess the name just made me think of a white guy, maybe Irish. Maybe in the future people aren't so uptight about marrying other races and we have new emergent cultures genotypes. For example Kamal is obviously of Indian descent, but his mother sounds Greek or eastern European. Heck, maybe Hiro is actually a white guy and Jersey is Samoan! Perhaps Jan has blue skin! wait, what was i talking about?

anyway... yeah... how does McKaskill know James? from black_taxi: "I heard you were the best" at what? from whom?

EDIT - topic tags! -SG
edit: sorry! Embarassed you'd think i'd know by NOW -CJ
edit: changed the topic again to better reflect the new direction of the spec -CJ
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Nobody's black. James is driving the "black taxi" AKA a taxi that drives "offline" AKA can move from city to city w/out logging the ID of who he is driving where.

With his Spartan 1.0 advanced reflexes he's able to do this. Apparently this is not a common trait, my guess is that traffic moves so quickly now with everything automated that normal people would just kill themselves driving "offline".

Probably just his job, either just random coincidence that he ends up getting the "job" to drive McKaskill ... though I'm sure there's probably more than just coincidence involved here.
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It's an interesting question. We can assume from the context of the black_taxi and flu clips, Jan's responses in particular, that JJ does this quite often.

He provides a 'black taxi' service, that is driving without computerised driving aids in order to stay under the radar as it were. The point of that is, obviously, that it allows one to move around without being tracked. This would seem to me to be a useful service to a great many people in the Haloverse. As such, it's likely that JJ has many connections across the spook/underground community.

I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that perhaps McKaskill doesn't know JJ at all - but he's been told that if you want to vanish when you're being looked for, JJ is the man to talk to. Or whatever alias JJ operates his little taxi business under.
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weephun wrote:
Nobody's black.


I know it's impossible to tell with absolute certainty from a mere audio clip, but McKaskill "sounds" black to me. The timbre of his voice and his manner of speaking suggest, to me and apparently to CoffeeJedi as well, that it is a black man speaking.

And for the record, yeah, it kinda caught me off guard - I'm not sure why.
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OK, yah, hey, truly from all we know they could all be purple. Just was trying to say that the clip didn't specifically say that anybody was black.
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Nova wrote:
weephun wrote:
Nobody's black.


I know it's impossible to tell with absolute certainty from a mere audio clip, but McKaskill "sounds" black to me. The timbre of his voice and his manner of speaking suggest, to me and apparently to CoffeeJedi as well, that it is a black man speaking.

And for the record, yeah, it kinda caught me off guard - I'm not sure why.

yeah, that's what i meant, it was his voice, its got a "stereotypical 80's tv cool black guy" ring to it... not the "black taxi" bit, that was just coincidence (or the PM's having fun)

operating an "A-Team" like mercenary service, or at least being a tranporter/bodyguard would explain why he's trained Jan to lie and beat PQI's, as well as warning about staying under ONI's radar

but... assuming that JJ just DRIVES people places only, where is he taking McKaskill?

(i think that a game where you play James operating his black taxi service would make a great Halo spinoff in a futuristic espionage vein like "The Tranporter" or the BMW "Driver" films It could be like GTA in the future, with an overreaching story concerning an ONI conspiracy and the refugee situation... man, i'm really getting off track here! (no pun intended))
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CoffeeJedi wrote:
operating an "A-Team" like mercenary service would explain why he's trained Jan to lie and beat PQI's, as well as warning about staying under ONI's radar


Well, we've heard JJ talk before about "his unit" - presumably we can now take that to mean his little band of disenfranchised Spartan 1.0s that are lurking quietly on Earth. Presumably, judging by the weapons caches they seem to have, these guys have some sort of underground resistance/militia organisation ready to go in the event of something like, I dunno, a Covenant armada arriving in Earth orbit.
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Well, McKaskill certainly doesn't sound like a "weedy" white guy to my ear.
It did catch me off guard, as I was expecting a guy along the lines of "Mouse" from the Matrix.
In any case, I agree that McKaskill didn't know JJ, but either knew of him or asked the right people in order to find him.

One thing that seemed odd, it didn't sound like anybody got paid for the service. Is JJ doing this for free.

Also, did it sound to anyone else like JJ has a limp?
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Here's my working theory; J2's working for Herzog. Probably not directly, and through some cutouts or dead drops, but I think Herzog is paying J2's bills. Let's look at my reasons.

  • J2 already has a security clearance, and has worked with ONI before.
  • Any intelligence service would find a "black taxi" very useful for their skullduggery on Earth. Moving goods or people untraceably would come in handy for lots of intelligence operations.
  • Herzog is actively researching what happened aboard the Apocalypso.
  • Assuming that Herzog was the old man that McKaskill spoke with on the Apocalypso, Herzog has a vital interest in protecting him until he can be debriefed; this is best done clandestinely, especially since Captain Greene had her "accident".
  • Moving McKaskill to a "safe house" (untraceable location) using a "black taxi" (untraceable transport) makes a LOT of sense for Herzog under those circumstances.
  • J2 and Herzog both have expressed reservations about ONI excesses.
  • J2 doesn't strike me as the kind to operate as a criminal, yet he does operate in an illegal manner. That suggests intelligence work to me, though that may be a bias of mine.
  • Herzog has demonstrated a willingness to recruit operatives on Earth. (Rani, for one.)
  • Both J2 and Herzog know more about ONI operations than they should, were they citizens or normal ONI staff.

There's probably some more stuff, but I've got to get back to work. I'll stop here, but please feel free to build on this.

-- Steve thinks that Herzog may be the unifying link among the clips, too, but it's too early to make that assumption yet.
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Anton P. Nym wrote:
-- Steve thinks that Herzog may be the unifying link among the clips, too, but it's too early to make that assumption yet.


I like this. What does the fact that Melissa does not want us listening to the clips featuring Herzog add to this?
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Nova wrote:
Anton P. Nym wrote:
-- Steve thinks that Herzog may be the unifying link among the clips, too, but it's too early to make that assumption yet.


I like this. What does the fact that Melissa does not want us listening to the clips featuring Herzog add to this?


I like this alot too... I have a feeling that Herzog contacted McKaskill and told him to seek out JJ after the crash, he's probably funding this whole "black taxi" business too
does Herzog have anyone superior to him involved in this? or is he so high up in ONI that he can carry out his own secret projects without anyone else noticing?
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I too think this is a very solid speculation.

I don't think Herzog has a high ranking, but I do think he has power through connections. Perhaps his official position is vastly different than his functional position. It would seem Standish is the one with the high ranking, but Herzog seems to be able to get around him rather easily.

Does anyone know the different "sections" of ONI and what they represent?
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Re: [SPEC][QUESTION] McKaskill, James James, Herzog connecti

Side note, rather minor:

CoffeeJedi wrote:
For example Kamal is obviously of Indian descent, but his mother sounds Greek or eastern European.


I wouldn't say Indian... Kamal is a very common Turkik name (Kamal Attaturk is viewed as the father of the modern Turkish state, equivalent to George Washington) and does wander about the Muslim parts of the Mediterranian a bit.

As far as McKaskill being or sounding black... maybe multiculturalism has ruined my ability to be surprised by surname/accent mismatches. Very Happy I didn't even really consciously register that.

-- Steve does think that the voice does match with Melissa's description of the tool-crib king, though.
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Nova wrote:
Anton P. Nym wrote:
-- Steve thinks that Herzog may be the unifying link among the clips, too, but it's too early to make that assumption yet.


I like this. What does the fact that Melissa does not want us listening to the clips featuring Herzog add to this?

Sorry for the apparent double-post, but I just figured out how to put an answer to this in words instead of gut-feeling.

I think Melissa is covering for ONI. ONI has an entire section (section 2) dedicated to propaganda... and undermining the image of ONI by showing internal faction fighting is the LAST thing that ONI would want. So classifying the Herzog stuff would make sense if Melissa is still abiding by strictures built in by ONI when they put her aboard an ONI stealth vessel.

If Durga is indeed a version of Melissa, then she has shown an intense desire not to weaken the war effort. That'll factor in, too.

-- Steve also thinks that our version of Melissa isn't as good at doublethink as the Operator was; this may explain her erratic behaviour in some cases.
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According to the Assasin wave on the recipe 3 page Herzog is a Colonel which would support the spec about not being high command but having good connections.
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