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[MusicToEat]

True, but if the only way for us to gain enough trust with her so that she'll listen to us about the PF is to give up Dana, would it be worth it?

[Ekim]

Thanks Astald, I hadn't seen that yet. =)

[HitsHerMark]

[MusicToEat]

Unfortunately, giving her my address and lying to her is not a good way to build trust.

As I said before, I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with the win at all cost strategy, just that it is valid. I'm playing Devil's advocate here and trying to look at this from many different angles. Something that is traditionally considered a good thing among ARGs.

Also, judging by Dana's latest blog post she seems to feel that the goal is no longer to fix Aunt Margaret's honey site, but to save the world. Are you saying we should protect Dana at all costs? Even if it means the destruction of the earth or some other calamitous fate?

The text you quoted already answered your question about how turning over Dana could help to repair M. I can try explaining it again, it's pretty simple though. The PF has corrupted M's original purpose and twisted it to his own unknown purpose. If we can get her to delete the PF, maybe even restore the original SPDR program if it's recoverable, she can be restored to her true purpose. The only way she's going to listen to us about the PF though is if she trusts us. You heard Zudini's call. Just telling her about the PF isn't going to work. Were going to need to gain her trust first. How do you propose we gain that trust? One possible way would be to sacrifice one for the good of the many. It's a distasteful prospect, but in times of war you need to sometimes make decisions were there are no clear-cut good options.

It's still to early to say if it needs to go that far. I'm just saying we should be considering the possibility.

[SuperJerms]

[MusicToEat]

In case you haven't been following along SJ, Melissa isn't looking for me. She's looking for a person named Dana. Who is not me.[/sarcasm]

If, on the other hand, she was looking for me and my capture/death was the only way to prevent the destruction of the world. If it meant my parents, sisters, nieces, nephews, friends, cat, and all humanity would survive I'd like to think that I would volunteer. Wouldn't you?

If you can think of some way to convince Melissa that a 33-year-old male is in fact a twenty something female, then I say let's give it a shot. We could also get Dana to lay low, stay of the net, and have some one claim that they killed her for Melissa, see if we could get her to believe us. This could backfire on us though if Dana doesn't do a good job of staying hidden.

[krystyn]

How's about, if given the opportunity, letting Melissa know that Dana was just doing what any human in this time period would do, if confronted with an apparent website hacker, and using that to convince Miss Operator Super-Scary that perhaps she needs to run approximately on million diagnostics on herself until she finds out why her perceptions are a bit wonky? There's no challenge to Melissa's authority there, if done right, and we're also trying to save Dana's skin.

Dana made an honest mistake, according to our data. The only reason Melissa would never truly listen to us (beyond being so far gone into craziness by being broken/controlled by PF) is that she knows something about Dana -we- don't know yet, something we might not like very much at all.

After all, we really don't know much about Dana, do we? And if Melissa's anything like Durga, she might have some eeeeeenteresting dirt on her.

[Karmic]

[MusicToEat]

I agree, we should first try to convince her that Dana is no threat. Judging by Zudini's call last week it seems like it won't be that easy though. We should see what M asks of us on Tuesday before we go and make any perminant plans. Maybe giving Dana's location of being in Japan was enough to satisfy her. Then again maybe M is incontrol of the gmail account now and is testing her crew. Either way, Dana emailing someone where she intends to go is a pretty big hint that we're suppose to do something with that info. What we do with it should be determined by what we are trying to accomplish. Are we trying to save Dana or the world? Hopefully we can do both, but it seems like at some point we're going to have to make a choice. The sooner we start thinking about that choice the better.

PS - I wonder if we can still talk to the SP when M breaks down. If anyone gets a live call and M goes into her I Love Bees bit should give it a try.

[drizjr]

edit: moved post to different thread. Sorry 'bout that.

[Platonix]

[turbov21]

Has anyone tried putting Dana in touch with the SP? I just sent the following to ladybee777:

[Vilnius]

If we are EVER going to use Dana to get to Melissa, I suggest that we plot with Dana. Just giving Dana up without her concent is out of the question.

What we may be able to do is tell Melissa where Dana is (with Dana's permission), which would gain trust from Melissa. Then, maybe we could find out from Melissa what she would do to Dana. Given this information, we could tell Dana exactly what was going to happen, and she would be able to properly prepare for anything Melissa could throw at her.

So, trusted crew members would become even tighter with Melissa, and we would be able to protect Dana at the same time. We would be playing both sides.

This is all assuming Dana is able to find a form of communication that Melissa can't spy on, of course.

Anyone can feel free to expand on this idea. I just thought I would lay down a template for it.

[Arashi]

Um, guys, I searched and didn't find anything...

[Platonix]