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[VIDEO] Entry #35
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Salty
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Zaden wrote:
There's one thing that I want to point out that I don't like about the "Jay and Alex went there together" theory. Aren't these kids supposed to be film students? Anybody that knows anything about filming would film from a position where all the important details are on the screen. Obviously, if you're filming something, you point the camera at it.

If two guys are going into a building and one of them has a camera, the only thing that would make sense is for one to film the other walking in. Basically what I'm saying is, it seems totally illogical for Jay to be in front with the camera and Alex in the back.


I think you're exactly right, because that's what Entry #22 was like.

Zarggg wrote:

@Magyk:
Yes, the tear along the bottom of the frame has always been associated with the Operator. Generic audiovisual distortion happens when "bad things" are afoot (such as Masky).


Well I know, but I'm saying, why? Why do we assume it means the Operator must be around if we've seen the tearing at least a couple of times when Tim is around, and no other sign of Slendy?

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 		I don't think Alex and Jay were together at all.. as I said about 20 pages <----that way,

I feel like everyone is overlooking the very important fact that this building was the return address of the Entry#26 package.The package that had a tape in it. A tape that ended in one word: "HELP." That "help" was written in very TTA-esque styling. Assuming that Timasky = tta, he may have been asking for help, and was startled when he saw Alex there in addition to J. That's why he ran by J to get to/attack Alex.

Also, Jay wasn't like "OMG I HAVENT SEEN YOU IN YERRRRRS" because Alex made the universal "shhhh.." sign, simple as that.

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 		(Could finally post here since the day this came out, blame college if this has been said)
Theory: J and Alex finally meet before this video.
Alex convinces J to search for Mask and elliminate him for "X" reason (The ark?) (Probably someone dying,since Mask´s knife is bloody).
Alex knows Mask is in the abandoned house.
Mask knows Alex is after him, so tries to kill him (hence the knife).
Alex decides to kill Mask.
Tim is killed by Alex, so another Mask is the one who appears in Entry #33.
In short: Tim is dead, another Mask has come along. Next entry might tell us more about Alex´s whereabouts.
Oh, and if tta makes a video response in which we see Alex effectively killing Tim, I´ll flip the fuck out.

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Zaden wrote:
la snip.


Umm, but you see, the issue with this is, Alex doesn't like being filmed, remember?

So, it would make sense if jay wanted to continue filming that Alex wanted Jay to go first to keep himself from being filmed, this become even more apparent when Alex wants him to turn the camera off when the biggest scene for the production (I.E. the climax if you're into story progression) comes up, a good filmer would not want the camera off for that scene.

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 		I don't know if anyone has posted this, but has anyone tried to determine whether the scream from Entry #22 and this entries scream are the same? they sound a lot alike.

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TheCrimsonKnight wrote:
(Could finally post here since the day this came out, blame college if this has been said)
Theory: J and Alex finally meet before this video.
Alex convinces J to search for Mask and elliminate him for "X" reason (The ark?) (Probably someone dying,since Mask´s knife is bloody).


I have a problem with this theory, for one, J's reaction to Alex asking for the knife means (to me) that he had not idea before they got there that Alex was there to kill Masky.

I'm also not so sure about them meeting up before-hand, It's been said before, but if Alex and Jay had teamed up than I think that Alex would be on screen. Also, had Jay known masky was there and entended on finding/ killing he wouldn't be shouting

EDIT: off-topic, but someone mentioned entry 22, is it possible the crackling was a geiger counter, rather than just distortion?

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Zeta Kai
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Is there a transcript for this entry yet? I'd like to incorporate it into the MH wiki for Entry 35, if it exists yet.

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bobthecrusher wrote:
TheCrimsonKnight wrote:
(Could finally post here since the day this came out, blame college if this has been said)
Theory: J and Alex finally meet before this video.
Alex convinces J to search for Mask and elliminate him for "X" reason (The ark?) (Probably someone dying,since Mask´s knife is bloody).


I have a problem with this theory, for one, J's reaction to Alex asking for the knife means (to me) that he had not idea before they got there that Alex was there to kill Masky.

I'm also not so sure about them meeting up before-hand, It's been said before, but if Alex and Jay had teamed up than I think that Alex would be on screen. Also, had Jay known masky was there and entended on finding/ killing he wouldn't be shouting


You are right on that one. So, Alex might have wanted to kill Masky, without telling J anything. J would have only known they were looking for something. OR, Alex and J agreend on seeking out Masky, but Alex, in a fit of rage, decides to kill masky.
If Alex planned to kill Masky (J knowing it or not), he would have J carry the camera.

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Zeta Kai wrote:
Is there a transcript for this entry yet? I'd like to incorporate it into the MH wiki for Entry 35, if it exists yet.


there was this one that was posted on page 34

HunterEris wrote:
This really needed to be posted earlier, I think. This is what we know for sure, no debates.

[0:08] J looks around while walking up to the house
[0:22] J enters house
[0:32] J seems to sigh and then says "Hello?"
[0:40] J looks under some wood on the floor
[0:43] J kicks around some pipes/wood/trash
[0:45] J says "There isn't anything here!"
[0:52] The notebook can be seen
[0:53] J says "What are you wanting me to see? I'm not seeing anything!"
[0:57] Alex says "Jay?" from behind J
[0:58] J turns around and sees Alex standing in the doorway
[1:00] Alex puts his finger up to his lips and points behind J
[1:04] J says "Ok, hold on" while moving into the back room
[1:09] Masky pops out of a doorway in the back room holding a knife
[1:10] Masky runs past J and out of the back room
[1:11] J drops the camera. There is distortion
[1:12] Alex shouts "Ah! God!"
[1:13] Camera lands, then noise is heard (sounds like fighting)
[1:16] Masky lands on the floor face down and Alex pins him down. A cut can be seen on Alex's arm
[1:19] J appears to be helping Alex when Alex says "Get the cord!"
[1:21] J runs to the right and grabs some off-screen cord, passing it to Alex
[1:24] Alex starts tying up Masky and J picks up the camera
[1:25] The camera distorts until 1:32. Shouts are heard
[1:34] J says "Keep him still"
[1:36] J unmasks Masky!!! It's Tim!!! What a surprise!!!
[1:38] Tim starts coughing. Alex seems to gesture to the left and J says "What?". J looks left to see Masky's knife
[1:41] Alex says "Give me the knife!"
[1:43] J says "No! I'm not giving you the knife!" and picks it up
[1:45] Alex says "Turn off the camera!"
[1:46] Alex gets up off Tim and walks left
[1:47] Alex picks up a rock and J shouts "What? No! Hey, hey, hey, hey!"
[1:48] Alex walks over to Tim and raises the rock above his head saying "He's not gonna follow us!". Tim moves his legs as though he's trying to crawl away on his back and protect himself
[1:49] The camera tilts down to the right and J says "What are you doing?" then Tim screaming is heard
[1:50] Camera shows J driving and he does not look happy. Only the driver's seat can be seen


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 		You know, for someone who's living in terror and wants to get out the news about his situation as quickly as possible, he sure does love to post almost exclusively on Tuesdays. :p

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Indextic wrote:
Rawkz0rz wrote:
If J did film himself driving after the Timasky incident occurred, we'd see him starting the camera up. This leads me to believe he was recording over footage of himself driving. When the footage of them inside the house cuts out, it reverts to what was originally on the tape.

This too leads me to question J, what if he's been filming over important stuff?


Wait, no, that answers the question as to why it just cuts to driving! He had no more tapes, but needed to get this on tape... so he taped over a video of him driving! Meaning this video could be VERY late in the 7 months! That's why it seems like he's already met up with Alex even though there hasn't been a video of them meeting for the first time! AGH IT MAKES SENSE NOW


Shocked

Rawkz0rz wrote:
Hmm... Although interesting I do have to ask, J clearly didn't expect to find anything when he went into the house- why would he feel the need to get it on camera?


Because he's determined. Cool But really, if I'm looking for something and I just know it has to be in a certain place, I'll give up but end up looking again.

Daniel Kay wrote:
-Hmm new entry, rather short one. Confused
-Huh revisits the house, cool Smile
-Whow, Jay genuinely frustrated and angry Surprised
-ALEX! Surprised
-MASKY!!! Surprised
-FACE REVEAL!!!!! (though we all knew it was Tim this is till something) Surprised
-Why does Alex want the knife... nah he can't WTF ROCK, SMASH...
-... Shocked ...


lol That was my reaction exactly ;3

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Zaden wrote:
There's one thing that I want to point out that I don't like about the "Jay and Alex went there together" theory. Aren't these kids supposed to be film students? Anybody that knows anything about filming would film from a position where all the important details are on the screen. Obviously, if you're filming something, you point the camera at it.

If two guys are going into a building and one of them has a camera, the only thing that would make sense is for one to film the other walking in. Basically what I'm saying is, it seems totally illogical for Jay to be in front with the camera and Alex in the back.

The idea that I get from watching Alex's behavior is that he knew for a while that something alive and dangerous was through that doorway. Why would you purposely put the guy with both hands free and full maneuverability behind the cameraman when the danger is in front? In fact, the more I think about Jay actually advancing first even after Alex's warning, the more it breaks suspension of disbelief, as if the director simply wanted a close-up of the assailant emerging.

Also, back to details, isn't the fact that you're investigating with someone else instead of by yourself a fairly large detail to be left off-camera?

Jay's speaking. Admittedly, I talk to myself. Sometimes very loudly. From someone who has experience vocalizing his words without addressing another person present, I think it sounds like Jay is talking to himself. Subjective opinion, but I think it's accurate.

And to those who say Jay doesn't react to seeing/hearing Alex, there's no way to tell that for sure! Think of two different reactions being surprise and shock. Surprise results in jumping out of your skin. Shock results in deer-in-the-headlights. For instance, my reaction to this video: Did I scream and jump through the roof, or fall off my chair? No. What I did do was sit there, perfectly still, speechless, with my jaw on the floor. Much like Jay's reaction when he turns and sees Alex. I was a little surprised, yes, but mostly, just shocked. Shock and awe of this outstanding entry.
(You could use the word "startle" here, it might fit better than "surprise".)

Now we don't know for sure, but Jay could have been completely dead-pan, or his eyes could have bugged right out of his skull and his jaw fell all the way down to his belt buckle, and it would look exactly the same from the camera's perspective. The only thing we know is that he was still and speechless.

I say he was shocked. Totally wasn't expecting to find Alex.


Now, I've never believed they came together before this footage. There was a problem I ran into with not believing it though. It is OOG though. So that will be below the line.

I completely agree that the fact we can't see his face makes claims that he didn't react ring hollow. And it is my belief that Jay probably wouldn't have been yelling like that if he knew Alex was just outside, since it... well, this is hard to explain. I think Jay is at least self-conscious enough not to throw a hissy fit in front of someone he wants to respect him. He still has an ego, after all.

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The way the Alex reveal was blocked... I decided on my own to watch that scene muted so I could better focus on the way the camera moved. A second can be a powerful thing, and I think if it focused on Alex for a single second longer before Jay turned around, it would have come off the way I think it was supposed to come off.

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Speedjump wrote:
Danger Fox wrote:
I haven't seen this brought up yet, but I think Tim coughing has an easier explanation than the "slendersickness." If you notice when they have him on the ground, they have a chord wrapped around is neck. I think the coughing may be purely from the fact that he is being strangled at the moment.


Not to mention inhaling whatever dust and grime was lying around in that dirty shack.
That's a valid point, but the creators have already put so much emphasis on the symptom of coughing, it'd be strange to just let this one slip. Writers include and exclude details for reasons, so I don't think they'd write in that Tim would start coughing from the gag and smoke when coughing already has such a significant meaning. Probably make Tim's acting easier though. Wink

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 		Some things I noticed based on the discussion.
One reason I believe Jay didn't know Alex was there is because he says "Hello?" right away. That doesn't seem to me like something you would say if there was someone with you, but it is still possible. Also, people take his shouting to be a sign, but he practically whispers towards the end. On the other hand, the way he says "OK, hold on" after seeing Alex seems unsurprised. I'm personally up in the air, I just didn't see those things mentioned. (though having read all 43 pages, I doubt I remember everything)
Also, Alex may not have had Masky, but he definitely had at least a skully if entry 26 is any indication. So he would at least be familiar with the idea of Masky, though I agree he knows Tim too well by this point to have only an acquaintance.
One more thing: I think that if Alex were with Jay, Alex would have held the camera. Maybe Jay still wasn't comfortable with not having a camera in his own hand, and didn't trust Alex, but Alex definitely does not like being recorded, and taking control of the camera would be the best way to ensure he isn't.

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 		Long time lurker, first time poster... Name's Asher, pleased to meet you.

Now, I've been combing over this entry for a while, trying to pick up on any little detail that may help, and I think I may have found something that I don't think has been brought up in the past forty-some-odd pages.

See, during Entry #34, there was a lot of talk of the graffiti, and if it held any significance, or any Operator themes, and I think I found something that was deliberately hidden from us on Jay's first run-through. What's one thing we don't get a clear view of in his first runthrough? The doorway. The threshold, specifically. So on a hunch, I paused the scene right when he turns to see Alex, and found something that might be of value, or might just be interesting and Easter-Eggy.



Possible evidence that this is an Operator hotspot?

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