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[Sublime50lbc]

I didn't see this posted at all (though I could be wrong), but I was thinking about some of the talk regarding Masky/Tim dying and/or not being ToTheArk and I don't think either of those are true..

As with any theory, it's just speculation, but take note that the latest TTA video is just a distorted face that keeps getting jumbled up. What happens in Entry #35? Masky's face gets bashed with a rock. Which doesn't necessarily mean that he was killed either. Since that was a while ago, it's possible that Masky's face is just disfigured now (like in the latest TTA video). Guess that could also account for the limp... but I don't know if they'd go that far into that kinda detail, but yea.

[theonewhoquestions]

[Thermal Boners]

At this point, frankly I cannot believe that anyone is even considering that they showed up there together. I mean, come on. One of the big arguments for it is Jay's talking. "What is it you want me to see?" He says. But wait, you are trying to tell me that Alex led Jay there to show him something, but didn't tell him what it was? Please. They are on the run from at least one paranormal being. There's no time for that bullshit. "Oh hey Jay, go snoop around in there, I'm telling you there's something to see, but you gotta find it yourself, like hide and seek!" Come on. That talking is Jay to himself, plain and simple the creators trying to make Jay more human.

[8bitFilk]

*If this seems like an awful lot of reading again, just skip to the final few paragraphs*

[HunterEris]

Another point that Alex and Jay wouldn't have met before this.

We know that J constantly films himself, so he would have had footage of him meeting Alex, even if Alex then instantly said "Turn the camera off!" and raised his hand to it.

If we assume he's looking through the labeled tapes (as in tapes with dates/times written on the cover) then the most natural thing to help him recall what happened in those 7 months would be to look through them chronologically.

The theoritcal footage of him and Alex meeting would have been before this so Entry 35 would have been: "Look! I met Alex!" with about a minute of footage. This would have been Entry 36.

EDIT - I also don't trust Alex, but after his little break down about all these tapes and wanting to burn them, maybe he's just lost all his fun? I do think he followed Masky here from his house (after Masky picked up the camera and tape) and waited for the right time to ambush him. J came along and that made it the right time.

He was there for business and when Masky slashed his arm he lost it. Luckily J refused the knife or I think that he would have killed him instead of breaking his leg (I'm in the camp of Entry 33 being Tim).

[Zarggg]

Just like the hotel teleporting issue, this is likely to become ridiculous, so I'm just going to say this:

If Jay knew that he and Alex had met up before going to the house, don't you think that he would have mentioned this already?

[HunterEris]

[AdrianHD]

So this topic's turned into a whether they met before this or not?

Okay, so first things first, why Alex would send Jay in there before him is stupid. Alex wasn't an hour away, he was behind a minute. I'm sure with the trouble going on, Alex isn't going to be sloppy in how this is executed.

Anyway, Jay seems aggravated in the beginning. He's talking to himself too. If you guys didn't notice in the last entry, Jay was pretty talkative too, to the point where he had to catch himself. I think that point is irrelevant because of that. People who are agitated are more vocal. I'm pretty sure this wasn't his second return to the house, he's probably been there a few times before. Since these tapes are seemingly in a chronological order. Seeing as he drove out there, that house is his only clue. If he had to return there multiple times without luck, he probably didn't really care to look again. See how he just lazily looks? Yeah.

On top of that. When Jay hears Alex call him, maybe it's just me, but when I'm in a bad mood, I'll just call back "what?" Why would Jay go from questioning what he's doing to a quiet turn around? There's a half second look between each other. After seeing his friend stalked by a tall creeper, I'm sure he's just shocked to see he's alive. At which, a noise is made in the back.

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Now, I'm not against either scenario. I can be totally wrong, I have been about this series before. But this is one of those cases where I'm actually collective about the fact that we'll probably find out in an entry or two, so no reason to burst my brain over it.

[Zevin_Mars]

So, several pages back someone mentioned that their friend with a limp swears Tim wasn't limping in entry 33.

That's fine and all, but until I see "limp consultant" as a crew position on the credits of season 2, I'm willing to accept that what Tim was doing was supposed to be seen to us as a limp, and we sure seem to have got that message, even if it was a somewhat inaccurate portrayal.

But yeah, I'm just curious how long Masky knew Jay and Jessica were in the hotel, why he let them stay there so long, and why Alex wasn't there...

[Lookbehindyou]

I cannot believe for one second that Jay and Alex were together before this video. First of all, Jay shows up alone. When looking around outside the building, there is no sign of anyone, nor is there when he enters the building.

Secondly, why say "Hello?" like he does if he's got Alex with him or knew he was there? He acts like he is angry that nothing is there and that he's wasted his time going back again.

Third, Alex when making his entrance states as more of a question than a statement, "Jay?".... then Jay turns around and we see Alex standing there.

I really cannot fathom how anyone would believe they WERE together before this video. The whole point of the trip was to FIND Alex. Never once during my initial or subsequent viewings did I ever think they arrived together. Actually, I was spooked by Alex's near teleportation-like abilities.

[Philosopher Xu]

Alex actually seemed mildly surprised to see Jay - he goes "Jay?" as if to confirm that's him. Sequentially these events are only a few weeks after the events of Entry 26 (April 4). So from what we've been shown starting from E26 we have:

1. Alex and Amy encountering the Operator - Alex seems not as freaked out as he should be (E26).

2. After the footage there is a request for help. Jay promises to go to the return address, presumably to help Alex(E26).

3. Jay goes to the return address and finds nothing(E34).

4. Jay tries again and encounters both Alex and Tim(E35).

So there is a bit of discontinuity here, because in E35 Jay says "what is it you want me to see?" when, according to what we have been shown, his motivation for being there is to find/help Alex, so logically he should be calling out Alex's name rather than looking under boards. The TTA Fragments video was only posted now, not back in April, so it is irrelevant to the actual time line here. Therefore I believe that Jay obtained new information about this location between E34 and E35, which we can only speculate about.

[EDIT] You got in there with that faster than me Lookbehindyou

[8bitFilk]

I apologise for my part in the whole "Did they / didn't they meet up before" debate.

But because it's almost inevitable that we'll find out one way or another soon enough; because we're blatantly not going to reach a broad consensus on this; because there are almost certainly vastly more important things in the entry to discuss...

...Can we move on?


. . . Pwetty pwease?

[Magyk]

People forget that the tape from #26 ended in a very TTA-esque "HELP." (<-a fact that's being grossly overlooked.)
TTA/TiMasky lead Jay there to show him something and wasn't expecting Alex to show up.

TTA=Good.
Alex= Either mislead, or bad.

Take it to the bank.



EDIT:
Most of the tapes are labeled, by the way. If Alex and Jay teamed up prior to this, it would've been posted. Simple as that.

[AdrianHD]

[Oscar Langley]

I only read the first 20ish pages, so sorry if this has been brought up already

Anyways, when I watched the video my first impression was that he was talking to totheark. As if TTA had seen J go in the house, then sent him a video saying something to the effect of "look closer and you'll see what you were supposed to find there". So J responds by going back to the house, looks around a while, gets irritated, and starts yelling at TTA out of frustration as if he were there (which, if he's Tim, he was).

Problem with that, of course, is that there wasn't a TTA video. Unless of course it was sent through something besides Youtube, like another tape.

But it's just a random thought.

Also, I'm thinking the (in game) reason Entry 34 27 wasn't posted during the spring/summer is that Jay, as usual, wasn't in the position yet to post it, and when he finally was about to post it, the situation with Alex happened, and J, like now, thought "maybe I shouldn't upload this", but unlike now, he decided against it and thus gave up on posting things on the internet entirely.