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[Trailhead] Snow Town, USA
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Zobot257
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luci wrote:
Zobot257 wrote:
Wait, What's the Spiral webpage? I haven't seen it yet! Please can I see it?


Refer to this post by exenor - the webpage link is in the spoiler box http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=809530#809530


Totally missed that. Thanks!

Pleasehelptheyrecoming? That's... and Fred was saying "They" were coming. Oh dear. Oh dear dear dear dear.... Peg, who exactly did you marry?

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crome
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 		Intresting! Seems that peg lives next door to Ruthie's old aunt's place!


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Fred's snowmen are in our yard. That snow mound is really on our neighbor's property. Not that anyone lives there. Edward told me it belonged to Ruthie Randolph's old aunt. The house has been empty for 100 years.

Peg



Is this the place that Ruthie has been spotted running around late at night? Perhaps we can convince private snow or another character to sneek into the house for cluse?

Edit

Seems like this is a step in the right direction! New video from peg posted on youtube!




YouTube: Link

Also, According to a post made on the STL guestbook, It appears that Louise Hoskins passed away in 1911. What happend back then???

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Ruthie Randolph said: February 23rd, 2011 4:16 pm
The Snow Town Library's virtual Book Club seems to be gaining even more interest. Welcome to Snow Town! It is lovely to see so many people interested in books. I do have one minor correction to make. October, my Aunt Louise was born in 1859 and died in 1911. The dates given on our home page state the years Louise Hoskins gave to the Snow Town Library.


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Zobot257
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 		Ooo... the new video is a bit creepy. Peg's face up against the camera like that is definitely setting the stage. I bet she's just excited that her blog's suddenly getting a lot of viewers.

We should keep pestering her for her nephew's contact information, though. I'm sure he can offer some more insight.

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 		Okay, finally caught up f'realz =)

Gotta admit I am pretty intrigued by the story... time's just so tight to keep up to date with everything these days. bah.
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 		The map of Snow Town is up on the snow town library site.
http://snowtownlibrary.org/Historical_Society.html

All of the names of locations continue with the winter theme Very Happy

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 		Also a list of books suggested by The Book Club members has been added to the website.

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List of Titles suggested by Book Club Members:

The Wisdom of Solomon (aka Book of Wisdom)
The Lady of the Lake by Sir Walter Scott
The Metamorphosis by Frank Kafka
Land of the Williwaws by M.I. Ross
The Masque of the Red Death by Edgar Allan Poe
The Yellow Wallpaper by Charlotte Perkins Gilma
The Most Dangerous Game by Richard Connell
The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas by Ursula LeGuin

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 		Sweet! I suggested the Most Dangerous Game.

Time to go check out the list.

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OCTAF1SH
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 		It might be a stretch to assume everyone trying to solve this problem uses this forum, I'm not sure, but it might be worth us knowing if these stories on the book club request list came from players, or if any have been added deliberately to point us in a particular direction. For better or worse....

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luci
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enaxor wrote:
Also a list of books suggested by The Book Club members has been added to the website.

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List of Titles suggested by Book Club Members:

The Wisdom of Solomon (aka Book of Wisdom)
The Lady of the Lake by Sir Walter Scott
The Metamorphosis by Frank Kafka
Land of the Williwaws by M.I. Ross
The Masque of the Red Death by Edgar Allan Poe
The Yellow Wallpaper by Charlotte Perkins Gilma
The Most Dangerous Game by Richard Connell
The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas by Ursula LeGuin


I think it's safe to assume this is their way of telling us it's a DEAD END to investigate this path as the first four are titles I submitted and jotadinero submitted one of the others, no doubt the rest are also player suggested titles.

A reminder that there are some useful posts that summarise our knowledge that I've been trying to keep up to date - as some things being said here have all read come up and been included in the summary.

Character list & information http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=809698#809698

Open Issues/Questions
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=810154#81015

Locations
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=810439#810439

I got another email from Private that confirms one thing:

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Dear Luci,

I will confess I am from one of the three founding families. There are many members of the three families in Snow Town.


So Private is definitely descended from Haynes, Hoskins, or Harmon - mind you it's starting to look like almost the whole cast of characters are! I'd say that hearing the bells is connected to being a descendant.

I've also noticed that "They're Coming Home" is an anagram for Cemetery High Moon, and didn't think much of it until they've put up the map that calls the cemetery the Bone Orchard, which draws attention to it, and it is near the Town Hall path that the puzzle said to go down six days after the full moon... it might be a coincidence, but I thought I'd mention it.

Another couple odd things I noticed on the Library website:
- For site navigation they use the word "here" instead of "home"
- the historical society page is labelled "Memory Lane" in the tab, though there is no Memory Lane on the map and the normal thing would be to label the tab 'Historical Society'.

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 		most, if not all of these books must have some significance to the arg, so here's my take on it:

The wisdom of solomon (the book of wisdom) was mentioned earlier in the forum. February was referred to as the "Solomonth" in the events calendar.
There was also something about a king who pretended to be a "kinght of snowdoun"

The lady of the lake by sir walter scott is a poem that i'm not able to read at the moment (a.k.a. lazyness=P), but I do know about the legends associated with king arthur and the lady of the lake. However the arthurian legend and the poem are said to be somewhat unrelated. The lady of the lake in arthurian legend pertains to the lady who gave (and later repaired) excalibur for king arthur. also, i'm guessing lady of the lake and lake williwaws are somehow correlated..

The metamorphosis is a short story about a person being turned into an insect... maybe this has something to do with fred..
and masky/tim XD...
This story correlates with the yellow wallpaper...

land of the williwaws i have no idea about lol...

The masque of the red death tells the tale of a prince who secludes himself, along with other nobles, in a castle away from a plague. The plague affects everyone not inside the castle, and the people that are "safe" are content. The prince throws a party and they find out that despite sealing the door, the red death still kills them all. This could be interpreted as "one can't escape the fate of death", or that our heroes just may encounter a being that is incredibly dangerous. This story also is related to the last story on the list.

The yellow wallpaper tells of a woman who goes insane. she goes on vacation and finds that she obsessively hates the yellow wallpaper in a room. She imagines a figure in the wallpaper trying to get out and starts ripping the wall paper, and at the end starts crawling on all fours in circles around the room. This descent into insanity is closely related to the metamorphosis as both seem to be a degeneration complex. Maybe Fred is going through this.

I love the most dangerous game, thanks for suggesting it jotandinero ^_^
this story tells of a person washed up upon an island due to a ship wreck. there he meets a hunter who has grown tired of hunting regular animals. He decides to hunt the person, and if the person can evade being captured, then he is freely let go. The person ends up killing the hunter; some may argue that he was pushed to decivilization at the end, that he forgoes the agreement and ends up killing the hunter (again with the degeneration)

I first heard about ursula le guin from tales of earthsea (which i didn't read, but i read that it was supposed to be directed by hayao miyazaki, but is directed by his son). The ones who walk away from omelas tells about the city of omelas, a very lucky city. The city will only gain prosperity if they have one single child that is incredibly miserable. When people come of age in the city, they are told about the child. Initially, they are disgusted, but then moves to a mindset where they will live their lives to make sure that the child's sufferings are worth it. This story (like the masque of the red death) also shows a society in which the upper class don't care about the lower class. At the end of the story, there are people who leave the town..

There was something else that i wanted to post but i forgot lol...

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OCTAF1SH
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I've also noticed that "They're Coming Home" is an anagram for Cemetery High Moon, and didn't think much of it until they've put up the map that calls the cemetery the Bone Orchard, which draws attention to it, and it is near the Town Hall path that the puzzle said to go down six days after the full moon... it might be a coincidence, but I thought I'd mention it.


That's odd, because something about the mounds had me reminded of something which would link with that, and I have nothing in game to back it up, but they do remind me of bowl barrows/bell barrows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_barrow)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_barrow)

The page on the library site labelled here had bothered me as well, but thought I may be thinking about it too much!!

Has anybody tried to ascertain where on the map the mounds are located, we could narrow down positions slightly with the knowledge Peg took the photos in "late afternoon", but possibly not specific enough....

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user1353 wrote:
most, if not all of these books must have some significance to the arg, so here's my take on it:


Yes, but all the titles were submitted by us to the Book Group because we thought it was a puzzle - that if we deduced the right title then we would get a piece of information in return. We chose books that we thought might be an "answer." But now they've just been posted up, which would suggest it's not a puzzle, just an interaction.

I suggested the first four titles, so I know my process. I still think that Ruthie has been pointing us to something with her cryptic sign off "Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom," and the Wisdom of Solomon (aka Book of Wisdom) as explained elsewhere on the forum (http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=810110#810110) is significant somehow to the story - which is why I submitted it to the book club as a potential solve.

However, it getting put up on the website as part of a list, with three other of my guesses (Lady of the Lake, The Tempest, Willawaw) alongside other people's guesses says clearly to me that it's not relevant in this manner. They're just reposting whatever we submit, and they seem kinda relevant because we the players were thoughtful in our suggestions. If we'd suggested Emma by Jane Austen, that would be on the list instead.

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 		For the record, I submitted "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" by Ursula LeGuin, with no particular message in mind except that it's my favorite short story. I don't think the list has any particular significance as a puzzle. It's just interaction between us and Ruthie/The Book Club. Smile
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OCTAF1SH
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 		I have to say, on reflection I agree with Luci, Ruthie wouldn't keep posting the wrong suggestions if there was a 'right' one. If they have all been suggested by us, they will be all have a potential link to the story (though I disagree with the suggestion metamorphosis is about insanity - but that's for another forum entirely!!), hence why we suggested them. I merely wanted to know if we had genuinely suggested them, as there were a couple I had not heard of, but hadn't searched for when I posted. The only thing I think which would change that, is if a significant number of stories we had suggested didn't end up on the list.

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OCTAF1SH wrote:
That's odd, because something about the mounds had me reminded of something which would link with that, and I have nothing in game to back it up, but they do remind me of bowl barrows/bell barrows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_barrow)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_barrow)


Nice find re the bell mounds - so they could be burial pits.

OCTAF1SH wrote:
Has anybody tried to ascertain where on the map the mounds are located, we could narrow down positions slightly with the knowledge Peg took the photos in "late afternoon", but possibly not specific enough....


1. Next door to Peg's House, which is on Flurry St in the (I think) Willawaw Way area.
2. By Williwaw Pond
3. "At the lake" (vague)
4. Williwaw Stream (I think near the General Store)

While it's not clear, I think it's all in the north east section of town.

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