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The Masky cast theory
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redherring
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JKatkina wrote:

This is gonna be relatively quick, cause I've got company, but:

1. I always thought it had that 'balloonlike' shape because it was getting recorded either by a fisheye lens or through a peephole, as one sees on a door. That would account for the oddness, and for how little we see of the person behind the mask.

2. Even if it's not a mask, someone out there wants either us or Jay or Alex or whoever that video was taken by to THINK it's a mask. It's clearly made in the tradition of the confirmed mask's aesthetic -- eye sockets blacked, nostrils and the outside edge of the mask all outlined with black, and something on the mouth.

That's relevant.

re: 1) Yeah, it definitely looks like it's being shot through a peep-hole. Even just looking at the rounded-looking object around where we see Skully, it looks like the outer rim of one.

re: 2) I'm sort of torn... I think there's a chance that Skully has relevance, but not to the degree that people give it credit for considering how little we see it. I mean, in that same series of distorted clips, we also see a shot of Alex, yet to my knowledge no lengthy debate has come up over that clip, or the overexposed and distorted lights before that.

I guess I'm sort of falling into the camp of 'yeah, sure, Skully might be important, but considering how little context it was given and the fact that we have yet to see it again in any other entry in the series, I doubt it's anywhere near as significant as Masky/TTA or any of the other leads we've been given/found.'

Also, not sure who all has/hasn't listened to the interview or read the Q&A, but Joseph was pretty direct when he pointed out that there are some things in the videos meant to be a mystery or that are red herrings. Of course that could apply to anything and I'm not saying it's the only option for Skully, but to anyone who's said it has to be significant, I just wanted to sort of throw this out there...

And just as a general response to this whole thread, I appreciate the thought going into theorizing about 'different/multiple Maskies' but I've seen these pictures time and time again, and I have yet to be convinced by any of it. I mean, there were people arguing that Entry #33 Masky was a different Masky because he was heavier-looking, but that's another theory that makes no sense.

I know it's 'OOG' and maybe a bit taboo, but watch videos of Tim on Troy's OOG YouTube channel sometime... he's not a stick, he's got a huskier build. These aren't Hollywood actors with personal trainers and exorbitant amounts of money to throw into fitness, so maybe Tim's weight's fluctuated a bit from beginning-of-series to end-of-series. Fact is, they've all had Timburns to some degree of largeness (Tim's facial hair isn't gonna be exactly the same over a year's time) and they've all had the Mask. Sure, there COULD be multiple Maskies, or multiple people acting as TTA. But none of the visual evidence is conclusive. [/soapbox]

And I'm honestly really sorry if anyone takes this personally, I truly am. I really don't like getting all 'against' a theory because I'm a fan of crazy theorizing, but this one is really hard to support with any concrete evidence, and the same tired arguments haven't actually proven anything since they came out. If you can admit you follow this one because you have a 'feeling' about it, that's all well and good (I have hunches about this series that have no evidence too), but until someone unearths some evidence pointing towards a different Masky, like another unmasking of somebody else entirely or a Masky with different hair or skin tone, there's no sense in trying to 'prove' this as a legitimate, concrete theory. It's spec, and that's fine, but let spec be spec.

I hate leaving posts where I feel like a jerk after posting them, but considering this is probably much less harsh than other responses to this thread, I'm hoping that my attempt at level-headedness about it won't be too much of a bother... My apologies if it is.

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:13 pm

Aperion
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This may no longer be relevant but
why is everyone in this thread so mad?
I made a thread about a fan theory I had read and the replies are either accusing me of trying to preach my own theories as canon(I did not make up this particular fan theory) or wasting precious forum space with speculation(when most of the marble hornets index is pure speculation anyway) Geez guys I just wanted a discussion wasn't trying to step on anyone's toes.

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:20 pm

Aperion
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[Odysseus] wrote:

I had a look again at Skully, and the more I look at it the more I think it looks like a face just drawn onto something (no idea what though). If you look very closely at it in the footage of 26, you can see that the brown around it (not the large tan circle that frames the screen, but the area immediately around the face) is:

A. Most likely attached to the drawing due to the fact that it shifts perfectly with it for the second or so it's on screen.

B. Definitely not anything resembling skin, in case anyone wants to think that that's a part of someone's face. The material has a certain sheen to it that is not flesh.

I'm with 8bit and TheBioGuy. We shouldn't assume it's a mask.

If skully isn't a person wearing a mask (either a distortion of tim's or another) I think it could be a paper mache skull like a calaca doll
I don't know why tim would have one though (maybe it was dios del los muertos when he shot the video?)

TheBioGuy wrote:

Also, regarding theories that one mask looks more feminine... so what? They are masks. Their point is to obscure the identity of the wearer. Men can wear feminine masks. Heck, I always thought the main mask was kinda feminine. It's in the way the lips are highlighted.

I wasn't insinuating the mask looked feminine I was suggesting the body of the person wearing the mask (at least of what could be seen of them) looked feminine.

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:26 pm
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8bitFilk
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redherring wrote:

...It's spec, and that's fine, but let spec be spec.

I hate leaving posts where I feel like a jerk after posting them, but considering this is probably much less harsh than other responses to this thread, I'm hoping that my attempt at level-headedness about it won't be too much of a bother... My apologies if it is.

That all came across as totally reasonable to me. Nothing harsh or agressive in your wording.

And what you said about it being fine if it's speculation, but let spec be spec... I tried to say that earlier but couldn't figure out how to word it right. Totally agree with you there though.

This thread was only spec to begin with. I think some folks have got a bit irritated because they thought it was being presented as a more firm theory but Aperion said it was spec (and someone else's at that!) in the first place.

Anyway, the whole point of these boards is for discussion and debate. If everyone agreed we'd get nowhere. i often post theories or ideas that run against the popular views just to stir up a bit more thought and debate. Doesn't mean it can't stay friendly though.

EDIT Aperion's posted twice since I started typing! Yeah, I wondered about papier mache too. To be honest, my hunch IS that it's a mask of some sort, but that is purely a hunch - I haven't seen any real evidence to make me believe that.

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:29 pm

morscata12
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Aperion wrote:

[Odysseus] wrote:

I'm starting to agree with this. I had thought it was facepaint, but you can't see any visible human eyes on the skull. We put a lot of importance on it because masks were a big theme and this was the last video, but maybe it is something else..

As far as people hating on this theory, it is based on a very important question: what happened to the rest of the MH cast? We don't have any evidence that the Operator kills people (see Alex, Tim, Jay) even if he causes them to bleed. Yet Brian, Seth, and Sarah are out of the picture. I can see where this would lead speculation to think that maybe they are integrated into the current story. Tim was part of the cast, and tracked down Jay's YouTube activity. If Brian/Seth/Sarah were equally affected, they might do that too. (Of course, if they didn't survive MH, then that answers that question.)

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:15 pm

JKatkina
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redherring wrote:

I hate leaving posts where I feel like a jerk after posting them, but considering this is probably much less harsh than other responses to this thread, I'm hoping that my attempt at level-headedness about it won't be too much of a bother... My apologies if it is.

For what it's worth, your post sounded perfectly reasonable to me. You talk sense, I think, especially about hunches vs. evidence.

I wanted to chip in again, though, and point out that if the Skully image IS something painted on a sack, or papier-mache, or some sort of mask facsimile, I think that actually raises more, and WEIRDER questions than if it was another mask. I mean, think about it this way: if it's another mask, we can assume that it follows the same logic and is being used the same way as the mask we're familiar with. Even if we don't know quite the reason for the mask we're familiar with existing as such, at least it gives us a reference point. If we're dealing with a fake, I mean... then we have to get into mind games and faking-out and oddness like that. Like, why would someone who's obviously familiar with the aesthetic of the mask make a fake mask and parade it around? Or even make a fake at all? And what do they gain from either filming it or putting it in a place to be filmed? It just seems to me like the whole thing gets way more bizarre if it's a guy painting a mask shape on a sack and, I don't know, putting it on a stick up to the peephole in someone's door.

That all said, however, I AM of the camp that if the skully mask is relevant to the current story, it's in a minor and probably oblique manner. I think it does get a lot more attention than it warrants, but I don't think it is completely irrelevant, either. I personally like the idea that Skully was an alternate or a prototype for Tim's current mask.

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:29 pm

TheBioGuy
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Aperion wrote:

TheBioGuy wrote:

I wasn't insinuating the mask looked feminine I was suggesting the body of the person wearing the mask (at least of what could be seen of them) looked feminine.

I acknowledge that you haven't said that, and I was in fact responding to another person on this thread, who had said that the mask looked feminine. While I don't personally agree with your theory, I wouldn't misquote you just to make you look stupid.

My main beef with this theory is that it relies on minute details that could easily go one way or the other. "this looks this way" or "this distorted picture looks like it has..." theories always irritate me a bit.

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:40 pm

redherring
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Aperion wrote:

I apologize, Aperion, if you took anything I said as mad or accusatory. I meant neither to anyone directly, but more to the general air on this thread. I don't think a speculative thread is a bad thing. On the contrary, that's the point of this forum, really - a place to discuss, muse, speculate, compare evidence, and also goof around a bit too. Why I shared my piece is because there seems to be an assumption (by some forum members) that the visual evidence brought up quite a while ago about Entry #### (I dunno how many hashes are in that�) conclusively 'proves' that there are multiple Maskies.

And just to make a correlation, let me elaborate a bit by comparing this to my own theorizing/speculation. So in Entry #35, Masky was unmasked and revealed to be Tim. This is proof, undeniably, that Masky is Tim, but it is not proof that Tim is TTA. I personally believe it is, and I have my reasons (in fact, I think there's a good bit of evidence in the first season) but nothing is conclusive enough to constitute 'proving' my theory is right. That, to me, is like these Entry #### pics and the other 'multiple Maskies evidence' - you can pull theory out of it, but the evidence itself doesn't prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I'm sorry if you feel like I was attacking you personally, and apologize in general for you feeling like people are upset with you individually for this thread. You shouldn't feel so victimized in your first moments on the form, especially if you're making a point to be active, intelligent, and most importantly: you aren't trolling. This forum needs more of that, so I hope nothing in this would turn you off from sticking around.

8bitFilk wrote:

redherring wrote:

stuffstuffstuff

Thanks, 8bitfilk! Yeah, things got a tad heated, but I think when you have this many people following a series, there are guaranteed to be people who are strongly opinionated and get heated when somebody puts up an opposing viewpoint. I've thrown out theories myself (although they tend to just get ignored or lost in the shuffle Razz

) and it's a good thing.

(I comment on the paper mache below�)

JKatkina wrote:

redherring wrote:

doo-do-doo-doooo

^ Liking the 'alternate Tim mask' theory here. That seems, to me, to be some legitimate spec. We've never seen another worn mask other than this one, so it seems logical that Tim might've worn that mask at some point early on, or that it was something he used before finding his current mask.

I also think the paper mache thing could be sort of legit. It's definitely not a 'mask' in the same sense as the current one. It's clearly painted/drawn on top of something with curves or volume. Whether that means someone's wearing it or it's acting a bit like Jadusable's / Haunted Majora's Mask's 'Elegy Statue' I don't know, but either way I feel like if we ever see it again, it'll be something along the lines of 'oh hey look in the background of Tim's hangout, there's that burlap sack with a Skull on it! Nifty!' Would be a nice little easter egg, though!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Or maybe we'll see something on the inevitable MH DVD� even MORE of an easter egg!

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:05 pm

Jynx62009
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redherring wrote:

Liking the 'alternate Tim mask' theory here.

I like it too. Had a thought it was just his temporary mask.

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:28 pm

AnAppleFalls
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redherring wrote:

Aperion wrote:

8bitFilk wrote:

redherring wrote:

stuffstuffstuff

) and it's a good thing.

(I comment on the paper mache below�)

JKatkina wrote:

redherring wrote:

doo-do-doo-doooo

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Or maybe we'll see something on the inevitable MH DVD� even MORE of an easter egg!

I agree, and I would also like to posit that there are, in fact, five maskies.

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 9:33 am

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