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Playmer
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Theory Page for the Wiki

This is not a place to speculate, this is a place to post specific theories. If you see something you disagree with, just leave it.

Okay, with that out of the way, we all know the Wiki is very out dated, I'd like to help by making a theory page or pages. To help with that, I'd like everyone to submit all of their theories. If your theory has a branch, feel free to include the branch.

First and foremost, these will be the basis for the theories page, I hope to eventually go through the trailhead and entires pages and see if I can root out more, and consolidate similar ones. So I ask that when you submit your theories, they be easily read. Try to also name your theories and branches.

Here's an example of a confusing theory:


Jay and masky were sitting in a tree, this is confirmed by word of god.

However there are some discrepancies, in several notable canon works, it was either Alex or the Operator who saw them, and they may or may not have been kissing.



So thats a terrible example, but I couldn't think of anything. You would have to explain where each branch came from, and explain what it means if each of the branches were true, and the pros and cons of each branch.

So thanks for reading. Please submit your theories via this thread, or PM.[/url]

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:47 pm
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Maybe to help get this rolling:

Theories on how the Operator Appeared

Theories on why the Operator is doing what he's doing

Theories on what the Ark is

Theories on why Jay is important for the ark, or his role in general

Theories on TTA and Masky, if they are separate (including their motives, how long they've been around in the state of messing with Jay and/or Alex)

Why is the mask a prominent image? Does it have powers or is it part of the delusions of a crazy guy?

What Jessica's role is, as of the second season

Secondary characters (did Brian die, or is he still around? Seth? Sarah? Rocky?)

The Bath house/The House, The Red Tower

What the Fuck: Warp Doors? Teleportation? Lost Time?

(Anything else I've missed, feel free to post about!)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:05 pm
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The four masky's are Tim,Brian,Sarah/Jessica,and amnesiac Jay working under the slenderman's control against Alex.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:15 pm
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I'm bored so I'll offer ideas to Dray's questions
dray wrote:

Theories on how the Operator Appeared

Accidentally summoned by Alex while he was making Marble Hornets.

dray wrote:
Theories on why the Operator is doing what he's doing

Trying to get the "ark" from Jay and using any means necessary.

dray wrote:
Theories on what the Ark is

Probably something we would never expect I'm expecting something simple and innocuous maybe a rock of plant that Alex moved out of place or picked up (slendy is a nature/forest spirit after all) that seems unimportant but is enough to earn slendy's vengeance.

dray wrote:
Theories on why Jay is important for the ark, or his role in general

ATM Jay may have been one of slendy's familars before but he was freed and is now out of slendy's control ergo slendy wants him back.

dray wrote:
Theories on TTA and Masky, if they are separate (including their motives, how long they've been around in the state of messing with Jay and/or Alex)

I'm not yet sold on TTA and masky being the same person although they may be after the same thing if that's the "ark" or jay or slendy whatever...
totheark may well be Alex trying to warn Jay or maybe TTA is one of the other masked people.

dray wrote:
Why is the mask a prominent image? Does it have powers or is it part of the delusions of a crazy guy?

I'm thinking the mask hides the wearer from Slendy either through magic or simple trickery (the whole slendy can't move while being looked at weeping angel thing).


dray wrote:
What Jessica's role is, as of the second season

ATM I think she may be "sarah" the long missing leading lady of marble hornets (i looked back at entry 9 and there is some resemblance) and if she isn't she may have only been there to show how far the plot's reach extends.

dray wrote:
Secondary characters (did Brian die, or is he still around? Seth? Sarah? Rocky?)

Like I said above sarah may be jessica, and brian may be a masky/totheark. I don't even remember a "seth" or "rocky".

dray wrote:
The Bath house/The House, The Red Tower

The red tower was just a location that Alex left a video for safe keeping but slendy did appear near it maybe even a few times do to all the scribbles written on it including several operator symbols.
I think I may be the only one who noticed that the bath house seemed to bend time when Jay looked into the same pipe that Alex looked in a earlier video you could briefly see what looked like alex and hear his voice on the other side the whole place seems to be warping reality.

dray wrote:
What the Fuck: Warp Doors? Teleportation? Lost Time?

maybe slendy's continued presence does something to reality?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:37 pm
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The theory that slenderman sees through cameras... I'm too lazy to right one out right now, but if someone else wants too.
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The Operator is connected to cameras in a specific way.

The two most common theories (that I've found) are:

a) Cameras bind The Operator to this realm of existence, forcing him to follow our rules. Alex used the camera as a way of containing The Operator and preventing him from skipping around time and space. This is best supported y the entry (forgive my ignorance, but I don't remember the entry) in which the Operator enters the room, is seen entering the room on camera, and later is no where to be found, when the only entrance is being watched by the camera. (which never sees The Operator leaving)

b) Simply seeing The Operator and 'thinking' or 'remembering' him are enough to get his attention.


TTA/Masky:

There is some argument over the identity of Masky and TTA, and if they are the same person or not.

There are 5 major theories regarding TTA/Masky:

a) they are one and the same, meaning that both are Tim, and have some strange obsession with Jay and/or 'the ark' which he believes Jay will lead him to.

b) They are two completely different people. TTA seeks 'the ark' (whatever that may be) and Masky.....is there. TTA may or may not be one of the former members of Marble Hornets.

c) There are multiple maskies. This is one of the least formed and most poorly organized theories in existence on the forum to have a wide following. There is speculation ranging from one of the mask wearers being female all the way to them each being a different member of the cast of Marble Hornets. This theory formed due to the number of masks seen and may have some merit as one mask matches none of the others, appearing as a skull like figure, its entire structure more wide and the mouth made of blacks that seem almost like teeth.

d) Alex is TTA. Though evidence leans more to the Masky and TTA being the same side of the argument, there are a group of people who support Alex being TTA, who is seperate from Masky

e) Multiple TTA's. After a certain number of responses the style and appearance of TTA videos change, hinting that TTA may or may not be made up of multiple people.

Theories regarding the mask in general.

There are only two theories i could find for this, though there may be more mentioned in passing.

a) The mask sheilds the wearer from the Operator, somehow preventing him from being seen by The Operator, and keeping him hidden while he goes about daily work.

b) The mask is made to emulate The Operator who appears without a face. This is reliant on the Operator Controlling masky somehow, or masky wanting to be like the Operator.

Theories on Teleportation and the role of Door Ways.

There are 3 theories i could find on the role of Door Ways and the possibility of teleportation.

a) It is seen many time throughout the entries that someone opens a door and ends up somewhere else entirely. At one point Jay ends up in a basement that shouldn't exist. Another moment he opens the door to his room while sleep walking and is not seen coming out the other side. Alex leaves his door open, perhaps to prevent this from happening. During the scene in the Hotel in which J escapes, it has been theorized that the entire room moved down the hallway.

b) the Operator can move through time and space. The Operator has a quality that allows him to move from place to place without moving. He appears where he wants to appear and instantly.

c) Masky has properties much like the Operator in that he can teleport, allowing him to follow Jay from place to place.

Memory loss

The majority of speculation on Memory loss is wild geussing. As we have not had much information on the exact details it is hard to express it in words, ad most theories vary wildly depending on whom you ask. The most common theories are as follows.

a) The Operator has an electromagnetic field that emanates from him. This not only causes the damage to the tapes and video, but also explains memory loss as it effects the impulses of your brain.

b) After close contact with the operator (after seeing him) you are supposed to lose your memory. The Operator somehow thrives on stealing these memories or is perhaps not supposed to be seen and is compelled to follow you until he can wipe your memory.

I'll add and revise as I remember them.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:11 am
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My overall take on what has happened so far:

The Operator is a force that is loosely based on the Slenderman of the Something Awful forums, though he doesn't bear all of the same hallmarks and so for this series, can be assumed to be an original creature. He is an unknown, unexplainable force that does not like cameras, that perhaps is linked to fire and/or arson, water and/or drought, the bending of physics and breaking of puny human minds.

Being caught by Alex on film, the Operator was focused on and therefor his undefinable properties were given definition. He hated that. Either Alex realized that he was losing time, and began filming himself innocuously to keep track of it, or the Operator caused in him some kind of surge of paranoia that caused him to begin filming himself.

Either way, Alex set the film rolling, causing more and worse effects as the Operator became more embroiled in the situation. By proxy, Tim, Sarah, Brian, Seth and Jay became involved. The Operator found himself on the defensive as Alex moved from trying to figure out what was going on, to actively seeking out the entity. Either he was trying to find it's lair, its source of power, or... well, I'm not entirely sure what, yet. Either way, he drew in Seth, at the very least. During his investigation, Alex moved from his home to Brian's; Brian seemed to have gone missing entirely, Jay lost large periods of time, and both he and Tim were exhibiting strange symptoms such as headaches, coughing, and perhaps nightmares.

During this time, Alex became deeply involved, to the point that he wanted to extricate himself. Tim became involved if only because his medication forced him to remember the events that the Operator was trying to force him to forget. He could even have been working with Alex at one point as Seth was (#22) because Totheark (who is noted as the same as the masked figure numerous times in the series, and the latter of which is Tim as discovered for sure in #35) has footage of various clips from the earlier entries (the sound to #10, for example, in the response 'Operator'.) Jay was drrrrpin' along, potentially involved but mistrusted by or being protected by Alex. I think that Brian was killed, because there are numerous points when Brian is mentioned as missing (#17 and #20); blood is found in more than one place (#16, #22), and Alex is shown as having switched into living in Brian's house (#20 suggests that they are at Brian's house; #3 seems to show footage of Alex in a different house before the events where Alex is done investigating (#22). Because Brian was Tim and Alex's shared friend, his death would be one logical reason as to why they were intent on harming the other (#35).

In any case, the breaking point is reached during #22, where Seth is lost and Alex is transported back to Brian's house. He stores the tapes in the attic and when Jay asks for them, he rids himself of them and leaves town forever.

Three years pass. Alex is building himself a new life during this time. He has decided that no cameras of any kind are allowed in his house. Tim is dealing mediocrely with the balanced need for his life-saving medication and its side-effects of never being able to forget the Operator, and is possibly going quietly insane. Jay has forgotten everything, and only remembers something off when he coincidentally stumbles into a thread on the Something Awful forums that reminds him of Alex's tapes.

He begins to watch the tapes. He posts them online for us all. Tim gets wind of them (possibly he has been hunting for more information about the Operator for some time, and the surge seewhatpunIjustmadethere?! of Slenderman art, information, etc. has led him to Marble Hornets. Jay admits that he's actively seeking Alex and the reason behind what is happening. Totheark (Tim, I'm guessing for the sake of this theory) begins to reply to Jay's videos with clips that he has retained. He is both warning Jay and trying to draw him more deeply into the mystery, possibly having decided over the course of the last three years that if someone can have gotten through them all in blissful ignorance, he's worth harrying for answers. Tim could want to know how to move on, but he might also want revenge for the death of Brian.

Jay discovers that he possesses either some residual effects or maybe 'powers' (though I hesitate to call them that) from his encounters with the Operator. The masked figure seems to possess these as well, so they could be being transferred to Jay through either second-hand contact or through direct contact (as in Jay's door-warping in #24 a little while after his direct contact in #23.) He decides this is way too creepy and, with goading from totheark, leaves his place, which is promptly burned down by Tim/totheark such that Jay will be forced to be on the move.

Where this theory diverges for me is around #26:

1) Alex does not know about Jay and is living his life normally, but Tim/totheark knows where he is all along, and plants a tape for Alex (or in the case of things, Amy) to find in order to attract the Operator back to him. The tape is then delivered by Tim to Jay as a set-up to get Jay to meet with Alex.

2) Alex has been following Marble Hornets and knows about Jay's circumstances. The tape was legitimately accidentally found, Alex sent it, and wanted Jay to arrive. He could also have wanted Tim to intercept the package, as a setup.

I'm leaning more towards the tape being a plant because it seems really unusual that Alex would both know of Jay's circumstances and know where he is despite constant moving, but then that might knock down the theory that Tim was using Jay as a means to find Alex and seek revenge.

In any case, we're coming up on a section of time that is pretty contentious and is being slowly divulged during the present, so some theory-style zeerust will probably set in shortly.

Jay finally finds the address that was listed on the package, depending on if the tape was a plant, it was a setup by Alex to get Jay and Tim together, because Alex knew that if Jay was arriving, Tim would surely follow and could therefore deal with him. If the tape was a plant, Tim managed to lure them both to the same place with the intention of getting at Alex to finish him off. Though Tim manages to stab Alex, the latter wins out and Jay and Alex go on their way... It could be that Amy was killed during the latest appearance of the Operator, so Alex has some ammunition to refuel an old grudge (if the tape was a plant) or has been newly reintroduced to some old memories, to his great dismay.

Alex and Jay work together briefly, but Jay discovers that Alex is not the same person that he remembers at all. Alex has dealt with his encounters with the Operator in a way that has taken something away from him, and left him rather remorseless and hollow (and no, not hollow in the sense that it's being used in other Slendy-style stories; I don't think Alex is a Masky or even totheark at all!) Alex imparts some information to Jay that is important in dealing with the Operator, and they keep in contact but it isn't exactly what Jay hoped; there isn't some quick and easy way to be rid of either the Operator or Tim, so, possibly, Jay parts ways with Alex.

Tim is busy recuperating from a bashing to the leg, but when he is able, he contacts Jay as well. Through either trickery or manipulation of Jay's sense of morality or nobility, he manages to sway Jay to see his point of view... or a part of it. Because they are speaking in person (or over the phone, whatever) Tim isn't using or even checking his account on youtube. Alex has convinced Jay not to upload information that Tim could use, but Tim has found a new method to keep track of him... for the time being.

Tim eventually suggests that Alex is the ark, regardless of whether or not Alex truly is. His reasoning could be from a mixture of factors: part honest if crazed belief, part manipulative intent to direct Jay to do his own dirty work... in any case, the ark is someone who keeps the Operator alive and kicking, and Tim convinces Jay that Alex is just such a person through evidence of #26, where the camera only focuses on the guy for a few seconds before the Operator appears.

He convinces Jay that Alex needs to die, and after some severe differing of opinions between Jay and Alex, the former is not completely unconvinced... but there is no way that he can kill someone. He learns that Tim is going to set up an encounter between Alex and the Operator to destroy the ark and release them from being haunted, or stalked, or whatever, by the Operator, forever. Jay gets wind of it but is too late to do anything about it, and in #29 we see that there is nothing left but blood...

But the Operator is still there. And Tim and Jay are left holding the bag of shit.

Something happens then, and the intervening months are probably not entirely coherent. Jessica enters the picture some time soon after, either through association (she was in the park at the time, as it was a place she often went as a child; or maybe she was loosely affiliated with Jay?) or the intervention of Tim. For whatever reason, it's gotten into their heads that she's become a second ark and is the reason that the Operator is still around.

They manipulate her as they try to figure out how to fix things; do they have to kill her? Was she plagued by the Operator before Alex's death? Jay plays the part of himself to get information from her, Tim hangs back for the time being. Something goes wrong, however -- either they find something out that they weren't supposed to, or the Operator got too close and nearly ruined everything -- and drastic measures need to be taken. Tim forces them to forget a large period of time, or else the Operator does and Tim helps that along... however, he keeps track of the both of them when they reach the hotel.

Tim wants to speed things along, however, so while Jay and Jessica are figuring out who they are and what happened, he is devising a plan; that plan involves getting Jay the information he needs to get up to speed, and keeping him and Jessica from running off together, because the last thing that he needs is to have to track down two frightened people. Jay is, for the time being, the more important one.

So he's catching Jay up to speed, and Jessica is left in the dark. Where this is going to go, I don't know, but I have a feeling that it will involve someone dying, or plain old disappearing. I'd like if Jay wound up having a... not a happy ending, but one in which he's able to move on. I think that they'll probably have something messed up and confusing and that generates the most questions of all, though. :/

WoT: Comprehensive theory about what happened, is happening.. and not so much about how it will end.

>_> I don't know if I did this properly, but I could try to break it down into points if that would be more profitable!

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I think that Tim's ultimate goal is to control The Operator. That through luck or clever planning on his part, he was able to retain his memories and he was able to figure out some of the "tricks" to using The Operator's powers. He wants to have The Operator's full power but it makes him too sick (as a puny human), so he's using Jay to ferret out "the ark", a means that a human can use The Operator's power, without risking his own life. From the powers he's gained he can use doors to teleport, scale three floor buildings, and instantly know where Jay is, but he is still vulnerable. He has been overpowered almost everytime he has tried to attack Jay so it shows that he has hubris, and (probably) that his prolonged exposure to The Operator has made him insane. I believe the mask he wears is more of a wishing stone than a magical item (but it's hard to tell), that the mask gives him the confidence to act and work against Jay and Alex. That by wearing the mask he feels he is the God like power he wants to be but if you strip him of it he's the mortal he fears he is.

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Operator symbol theories

there are 3 common theories about the symbol.

a) The symbol summons The Operator to wherever it is drawn.

b) The symbol acts as a ward against The Operator to keep him away.

c) The symbol acts as a warning sign against The Operator.

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Re: Theory Page for the Wiki

Playmer wrote:
we all know the Wiki is very out dated


I wouldn't say that it is outdated at all. JKatina, myself, & others are working hard to keep the wiki as up-to-date as possible. Check it out.

That said, I have created a page on the wiki for Theories. Most of the theories presented here have been added. Feel free to add more, either here or on the new wiki page. Enjoy.

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:46 am
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Re: Theory Page for the Wiki

Zeta Kai wrote:
I wouldn't say that it is outdated at all. JKatina, myself, & others are working hard to keep the wiki as up-to-date as possible. Check it out.

That said, I have created a page on the wiki for Theories. Most of the theories presented here have been added. Feel free to add more, either here or on the new wiki page. Enjoy.


It's awesome to have that theories page! I've been putting speculation and theories on the pages applicable, though, too. For example, a handful of days ago I put together a page for the Ark with all the speculation I could find about it.

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Re: Theory Page for the Wiki

JKatkina wrote:
It's awesome to have that theories page! I've been putting speculation and theories on the pages applicable, though, too. For example, a handful of days ago I put together a page for the Ark with all the speculation I could find about it.


Speculation & Analysis concerning individual episodes should probably still go in the pages for their respective entry. But this new page will hopefully be a good clearinghouse for ideas. BTW, it's nice to finally talk to the other person updating the wiki; Howdy.

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