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praisemacs
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Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 11
I think that we need to convince Melissa to back off of Dana. But I think we can only do that while the SP(her emotional center) is inside her. Thus, I believe she should be captured, and then we should attempt to convince Melissa to let Dana go.
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:58 am
praisemacs
Boot
Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 11
sry for double post, cat on keyboard.
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:58 am
johnny5
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Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 995 Location: Elysian Fields
praisemacs wrote:
I think that we need to convince Melissa to back off of Dana. But I think we can only do that while the SP(her emotional center) is inside her. Thus, I believe she should be captured, and then we should attempt to convince Melissa to let Dana go.
While I agree, I'd like to propose a different [SPEC}:
Dana will be in imminent peril, and to save her, we must convince SP to voluntarily reintegrate into Melissa.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:57 am
Jeeeeeeee
Boot
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 26 Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
[Humor] I know how to save Dana [HUMOUR]
I just figured out the best way to save Dana for sure AND get rid of Melissa...
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
If I'm correct, AIs live for 7 years. So let's just stop interacting with Melissa for a couple of years (obviously, she was "alive" before the crash) and she'll just pass away.
There you go, problem solved!
Now that was easy!
[/HUMOUR]
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:49 pm
ariock
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Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 762 Location: SF East Bay
Good Idea, johnny_Nitro One quick serious problem in the SPEC that started this thread.
There is no support for the speculation that Melissa was somehow more human ONLY while SP was incarcerated. Prior to the capture of the SP, Melissa was very moved by Dragonrider's story about the accident. In addition, if you listen to the recordings, the Melissa personality has not changed. She has the same tone and demeanor in the first week calls as the second week calls.
I agree that at some point SP and Melissa will probably need to reintegrate. However, locked away inside |= integration. johnny_Nitro's idea sounds very plausible to me.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:51 pm
Incitatus
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Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 487 Location: Austin, Texas
While I agree and dissagree with the counter [SPEC] presented, I still Have to stick with my original theory, save a possibly new action.
Are We Absolutly sure Dragonrider's call was made before weephun's?
And as far as the SP is concerned, think about it. she has no idea who she is or what is going on. she has erased memories and the mindset of a child. She also displays the basic human yearning for freedom. She WILL NOT voulentarily go back to the queen, nor will she be capable of understanding what her function/nature is.
Even if she could accept this, she won't play ball... or at least i don't believe she would.
GabrielBlade, Melissa is the central Entity. All other entities (save the PF) are there for her refference/service/use.
The SP is the core personality that influences the more human-like nature of the AI. The foundation of the Construct, but not the master sector...
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:25 pm
Incitatus
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Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 487 Location: Austin, Texas
Re: Good Idea, johnny_Nitro
ariock wrote:
I agree that at some point SP and Melissa will probably need to reintegrate. However, locked away inside |= integration. johnny_Nitro's idea sounds very plausible to me.
Yes in this case it does.
Keep in mind, the "sleeping Princess" is a dormat entity. It is meant to be non-responsive, unactive, and unchanging. A "dead process (so to speak) that exists only for refference.
The fact that this entity has "awaken" and become rampant, is subject to it's title of "Rouge proccess"
This entity as described by herself, was in the "glass coffin" for as long as she can remmber up until the crash (which damged Melissa's systems and allowed her to escape.) In fact she remmebers nothing beyond that. If she was originally in the Coffin before the massive dis-integration, then that is where we must endeavour to replace her to.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:30 pm
johnny5
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Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 995 Location: Elysian Fields
This is going to be like one of those old kids movies where the dog is sent away to protect it.
kid: "go on scruffy, get out of here"
dog: wimper
kid: "I don't love you anymore, go away"
dog: whine
kid: "Get out of here you stupid dog" <throws rock>
<dog leaves>
<kid cries>
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:35 pm
Incitatus
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Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 487 Location: Austin, Texas
johnny_Nitro wrote:
This is going to be like one of those old kids movies where the dog is sent away to protect it.
kid: "go on scruffy, get out of here"
dog: wimper
kid: "I don't love you anymore, go away"
dog: whine
kid: "Get out of here you stupid dog" <throws rock>
<dog leaves>
<kid cries>
Which Dog are you reffering to though?
Forcing Dana to run and cutt contact?
Forcing the SP into the Coffin?
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:52 pm
Trynian
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Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Posts: 146
Apologies for coming to the party late, but could someone point me to the evidence that the princess and Melissa are one entity?
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:03 pm
Incitatus
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Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 487 Location: Austin, Texas
Trynian wrote:
Apologies for coming to the party late, but could someone point me to the evidence that the princess and Melissa are one entity?
Mel calls her escape a "Core module Hemorage"
Mel Calls her "The Rogue Proccess"
The SP calls Mel "The Queen"
The SP is within Mel's Castle, and has always been there.
The SP has been quoted as reffering to the Glass coffin as "INSIDE the queen"
The SP was in the glass coffin continuously since well before the artifact or Crash.
Durga has dirrectly told jersey that a Human mind is required for the construction of an AI personality.
The SP displays the mindset of a child, if she is the mind of Yasmine, this is her mind being wiped before her "abduction/training" in the Spartan program.
The SP Has portrayed *erased* memories of her life before becoming the base for Mel.
Mel is trying to reintegrate the SP into her.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:16 pm
johnny5
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Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 995 Location: Elysian Fields
Incitatus wrote:
johnny_Nitro wrote:
This is going to be like one of those old kids movies where the dog is sent away to protect it.
kid: "go on scruffy, get out of here"
dog: wimper
kid: "I don't love you anymore, go away"
dog: whine
kid: "Get out of here you stupid dog" <throws rock>
<dog leaves>
<kid cries>
Which Dog are you reffering to though?
Forcing Dana to run and cutt contact?
Forcing the SP into the Coffin?
The SP, yes, sorry.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:17 pm
Incitatus
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Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 487 Location: Austin, Texas
Ok, Just wanted to be sure.
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Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:27 pm
Darketnal
Boot
Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 26
jellyfish_green wrote:
Incitatus wrote:
Darketnal wrote:
Interesting. Hmm. Thought occurs to me.
Say you're going to sabotage an AI, and you're very good at it - which I assumed you'd have to be for it to work at all. You're probably very clever and know how AIs work pretty well. You'd no doubt also be aware of it's autorepair unit, huh? And you'd probably want to take steps to ensure it's auto-repairing didn't include reintegrating that process you just took so much trouble to sabotage.
so your speculating that the SP is an altered process, and the PF is an insurance protocol?
Or do you refer to the Black Widow of autorepair sequences?
If you wanted to *deliberately* cause the Crash to free the Princess, and you knew about the SPDR, a good saboteur like yourself would make sure the SPDR would find nothing wrong, and not attempt repair.
encrypt strong
!triage
fail - As in phase 1.
Hmmm.
Actually, I think thinking about the Widow and the Flea. If I were the theoretical saboteur, the idea would not be to free the princess, but just to ensure that melissa doesn't have access to that process.
I'm not especially convinced that SP was meant as a backup. She was sleeping, but she can't seem to remember why she was sleeping, and I'm not sure if she's sleeping because she was meant to be sleeping during melissa's creation, or if she was -put- to sleep by someone with less then pristine intention. It may be that she was always meant to be a part of melissa, and was sleeping because someone wanted her out of the way. Bite of this apple, anyone?
I'm confusing myself a bit though. I see 2 possibilities - the original SPDR was in fact, untampered. The flea waited until it repaired what the flea wanted repaired, and then had SPDR destroyed before it could do any serious work like reintegrating the princess. Only works if SPDR only activates when there is actual system peril though.
Could also be that the original SPDR was compromised, and the flea is a counter agent.
Eh....probably all wrong anyway, so no reason to sweat it I suppose.
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:29 pm
darkranger001
Greenhorn
Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 6 Location: BC, Canada
I may be a n00b but I just don't get it.. how exactly does getting the SP to go bak into her coffin and or get captured by melissa help? if she was locked away previously to the crash, would that not imply that she was not a part of Melissa's core program in the first place?
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:29 pm
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