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[VIDEO] Entry 36
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Salty
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Oscar Langley wrote:
So, this was probably brought up a long time ago, but it just now hit me. Don't Alex's drawings as seen in the original tapes seem kinda ToTheArkish? Random crudely drawn symbols and cryptic, oddly rendered phrases like "SEESME"...I don't know why I never noticed the connection before =/ but like someone else said, there's still a lot of things that only really make sense if Tim is TTA.

Also, since post-26 all we've seen of Alex is two entries/one day, isn't it possible that Amy is still with him and just stayed home during Alex's Tim-smashing adventure?


I was scrolling through this thread hoping no one else had brought this up, lol. Then I get to the LAST post, and it's this.

Anyway, what I was gonna say is that the HELP at the end of #26 isn't characteristic of TTA at all, unlike what most people have been saying. I saw at least one person say that since it has an operator symbol, it had to have been TTA, but it's like everyone has forgotten that Alex has been scribbling that stuff for years. There are no TTA videos with all-caps scribbled messages.

Point I'm trying to make is, I believe this is evidence that Alex sent the tape and added the message, and that Alex and TTA are separate entities.

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Alright, here's what I've gathered.

J and Alex flee the scene from Entry 35, then meet up down the road somewhere. That somewhere may be Rosswood. This is the best connections I could find to it:

The lights are the same, which I know is stupid because they're the same at just about any park, but whatevs.


The two big masses seen briefly in Entry 36 are a bit similar to some buildings seen in 31.




For this to be those buildings, he would have to be filming in a different parking lot than the one he films in during entry 31. It's layout is different, and it's way way smaller. Not to mention the background is way different. This means those buildings would be oriented differently as well.

Also, I think it's too soon to be saying that Alex is the one that sent him the package. We don't know the full context of the discussion, and it's just as likely that he was talking about Tim, or maybe someone else even.

There is nothing in this video that points to whether they were together before or after 35, unfortunately, ):

Also, in total speculation, I'm still going with Alex having a split personality that's involved with TTA.

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shaboomzies wrote:
Sachael wrote:
Or, Alex really is hiding something terrible and Tim is actually some misunderstood hero...


See, this is the theory I'd like to believe. It seems to explain Alex's changed behavior. It seems very strange to me that Alex would suddenly be all macho and so assertive with J and Masky. Something must have happened to change his attitude from "gotta GTFO of this mess" to wanting to be a part of it again.


okay. this. is going to be a long post - I think it'll be my 3rd and not my first - but this is going to be a long post.


Let us all, as a group, look at the possibilities and examine their implications.


THEORY #1: Alex IS totheark and sent the tape to J to bait Masky.
What this means: well, for starter's, TTA and Masky are two different people, since Tim is Masky.
But this leads us to several questions...
...Tim gave the address of the original creepy house where J found Masky tackling him. Tim wanted to beat the snot out of J? It blacks out the tapes, something anyone could do. But why was Alex responding and encouraging J?
Alex as TTA seems to make it a very interesting game.
Slendy is following totheark/Alex, Alex is luring J out to get Masky...
Why does Alex want Masky? Prior to Masky pouncing J in season 1, we never really saw or heard a peep about Masky.
If TTA is Alex, does that Make Alex the bad guy and Masky the good guy? What the hell is the point of the mask then? Well, the obvious answer is to hide from TTA who Masky is / avoid Alex interfering with Tim.
but... then its like... why still wear the mask at the hotel? why kidnap the girl at the hotel? couldn't you just be like, "Hey J., it's me Tim. The truth is Alex is a cockbag and I'm trying to protect you and I have this really awkward white mask."?


weird stuff.

THEORY #2: Alex is totheark and Masky sent the tape to J
In all theories, Alex & Tim are against each other for some odd reason.
In 35, Masky/Tim clearly ignores J and starts to drive straight to Alex for the stab.
This means if Masky sent the tape to J... Masky was luring out Alex.
Alternatively, if Alex sent it, Alex was luring out Masky.

In this theory, though, we have to ask... how did Masky send the tape?
Clearly Alex had the tape - it was in his damn camera. So Masky had a confrontation with Alex that we haven't seen or heard about, then... and took it from Alex. This obviously had to happen chronologically before entry 36... so when did Masky meet up with Alex and take his shit?
And, like... if Masky wants to stab Alex so bad, why didn't he just do it then?

This really, truly leads me to believe that Alex HAD to be the one to send the tape to J.... but what does that mean?

I'll get to that after.

THEORY 3: Alex is NOT totheark and sent the tape to J
I really feel Alex had to send the tape to J, because otherwise, again, there had to be a confrontation between Alex and Masky where Masky took the tape but didn't damage Alex at all.

if Alex is not totheark, who is? Is it Masky? Those seem to be our only two leads for it. sooo...

Masky is TTA. Masky is watching over J, but also sending him cryptic video messages, and not going anywhere with either side of it... just watching and waiting. This sorta makes sense - Masky is waiting for either Alex or Slendy. If what he wanted was J, he'd have done something.

THEORY 4: Alex is NOT totheark and did NOT send the tape to J

this seems like the unlikeliest of theories after examining the facts.
Given that Alex seems to have found J regardless of who sent the tape...
...either Tim or Alex has some weird way of knowing where J is going.
But you figure that with Alex whispering / shushing J in the previous entry, he knew what was up.

What that leads me to think is that Alex sent the tape - hence knowing where J is/will be -
but put the return address to where he already knew masky would be.
that's like the only logical conclusion I can have for how the events of entry 35 have played out. Otherwise Tim or Alex just are superpowerful stalkers, and I'm not comfortable with anyone but Slendy playing that role.

THINGS THAT MUST BE TRUE IN ALL THEORIES:
The real grudge is not Masky vs J, but Tim vs Alex. This is true in all theories as whoever sent the tape probably sent it to lure out the other.

Alex probably sent the tape to J.
...which logically was to lure out Masky.
...but again, what does Alex have against Masky?
...what does Masky have against Alex but seemingly for J?



the real question is why did Masky "attack" in entry 34 (I think it was 34) when he did?
J's leaving the hotel and masky won't allow it? Like, what?!




yereguads I thought typing it all up would lead to some discovery but it just makes my brain hurt

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theonewhoquestions
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This entry does smash that "taped over another tape" theory, since the footage that would be supposedly earlier, makes reference to the event a few seconds ago (not that important, but I thought it would be a decent enough note).

I think that fall may have messed up the camera a bit though. I'm playing against the "distortion is coming from inside the house" theory for fun. We don't really see Jay his stop (It's not impossible, he could have done a quick rewind before recording the next bit). The camera may have had a mechanical malfunction from the fall, maybe recording intermittently. Would explain the sudden facing away from Jay the camera does in this entry, Alex grabbing it and zooming in and out at the road before replacing it. And it would explain the corruption well enough in my book, though, I'm not an expert in such a field (and actually breaking a tape seems like a dangerous proposition for 100% for sure getting the footage they need off the tape).

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Wait, what do you mean Alex grabbing the camera and zooming in and out? They weren't in the same car.

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Another great entry, even if it was short. Sooner rather than later, a lengthy entry is due I'm thinking. Okay, I read through the posts and the only things I have to add are a few odd things I thought about while watching 37 and reading through all the posts.

1. I truly believe that Alex=TTA now. I was on the fence recently and didn't want to believe it, but now I'm 100% sure.

2. Does anyone else find it strange that now TiMasky can't talk it seems? I don't know if this point has been brought up before, but even if Alex/Jay were to go back to the house and try to question Tim (if he was even still there) that it's be useless because he can't talk. I'm not sure he could even write at this point which might be the operator rubbing off on him. This would also lend credibility to the idea that TiMasky is trying to help Jay and is being cut off at the pass every time. This might not have always been the case, but could very well be now.

3. During some of the Red scramble, I could have sworn I saw the faces of some/most of the cast of MH which would be really creepy and odd. I could be wrong here, but when I first watched it, that's what I thought.

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Lookbehindyou wrote:
Another great entry, even if it was short. Sooner rather than later, a lengthy entry is due I'm thinking. Okay, I read through the posts and the only things I have to add are a few odd things I thought about while watching 37 and reading through all the posts.

1. I truly believe that Alex=TTA now. I was on the fence recently and didn't want to believe it, but now I'm 100% sure.

2. Does anyone else find it strange that now TiMasky can't talk it seems? I don't know if this point has been brought up before, but even if Alex/Jay were to go back to the house and try to question Tim (if he was even still there) that it's be useless because he can't talk. I'm not sure he could even write at this point which might be the operator rubbing off on him. This would also lend credibility to the idea that TiMasky is trying to help Jay and is being cut off at the pass every time. This might not have always been the case, but could very well be now.

3. During some of the Red scramble, I could have sworn I saw the faces of some/most of the cast of EMH which would be really creepy and odd. I could be wrong here, but when I first watched it, that's what I thought.


What makes you think he cannot speak? He yells, "no!" in entry 18..

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I think that he cannot speak NOW. I believe that it could be a Slendy security thing almost so that nobody can question him, as well as Slendy rubbing off on him. He makes grunts and screams just fine, but no words have escaped his lips in a long time. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, just a theory I have now.

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Lookbehindyou wrote:
I think that he cannot speak NOW. I believe that it could be a Slendy security thing almost so that nobody can question him, as well as Slendy rubbing off on him. He makes grunts and screams just fine, but no words have escaped his lips in a long time. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, just a theory I have now.


Gotcha, that's a nice observation.

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Salty wrote:
Wait, what do you mean Alex grabbing the camera and zooming in and out? They weren't in the same car.


Okay THAT I didn't notice (mostly because they never show that seat, and I figured he was driving Alex to his car (if you're ambushing someone, you don't want them to know you're there with such a distinctive car)) . But I'm still of the opinion that Jay wouldn't play with the zoom and try to focus in front of the car while he was driving (and if he did, shame on him. That's worse than texting.). The zoom I guess could have been part of the mechanical failure, but the fact it was facing forward does kind of go along with my intermittent recording story. Well, that and it blacks out temporarily while talking to Alex, but I guess the question is whether it is mechanical or Slenderference in origin.

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I love how we're up to page 10 and this vid is only 4 hours old =)

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First: Does ayone remember Entry #####? That Entry would suggest that Alex is not TTA, given the fact that when given the chance in Entry #35, Alex smashed Masky's leg. If he was going to do that, why would he send a creepy and cryptic video of Masky all close up and everything? Wouldn't it have been smarter to just off him then and there, without J's presence?

Second: People keep mentioning that Alex seems more aggressive in recent Entires than usual, but I don't think so. He was a pretty forceful, d-bag-ish guy whenwe first saw him in Season 1. His little fits of rage have been alluded to and evendemontrated a few times throughout the Entries. And even if he is acting more aggressively than usual, can you blame him? Amy is not with him, so either she is presumably dead or missing, or something else is bothering him. Y'know, like the fact that he and J are being constantly run around by a man in a mask who was once a friend of their's, and a mysterious otherwordly demon of some sort. That could be the source of his pent up rage. Or the fact that he got stabbed.

Just my two cents, take it or leave it. Very Happy

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Funny entry Smile
- Lay low.
- Yeah. I'm great at doing that, Alex.

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Rawkz0rz wrote:
Lookbehindyou wrote:
I think that he cannot speak NOW. I believe that it could be a Slendy security thing almost so that nobody can question him, as well as Slendy rubbing off on him. He makes grunts and screams just fine, but no words have escaped his lips in a long time. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, just a theory I have now.


Gotcha, that's a nice observation.


Thanks. I had thought about this once before when he showed up in the hotel, but quickly forgot about it. This video brought it right back front and center as something that could be important.

Theory if this were to be true - Timasky started out helping TTA/The Operator and after awhile, it began to wear at his Psyche (This is evident in many vids). Assuming Alex=TTA or possibly Tim WAS TTA and Alex took over after Tim started to show signs of betraying him(those masks aren't hard to come by and we now know Alex has been following the series), Alex is now trying to play cover-up and stay one step ahead of TiMasky so that he can't do anything to help Jay. If Alex knows that Tim has "crossed over", he might have gone back to try and kill him and got a surprise when TiMasky had recovered (remember, Tim ran right past Jay ). This leads me to think that it could be possible that TiMasky took out Alex in the mysterious tunnel video only to turn around and find Slendy staring at him. Now he's being forced to do the Operator's bidding. Again, just a theory, but has some potential to be the case.

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Yeah Alex is not TTA

It was a neat idea, but there's too much evidence against it

I still like to think that TTA is Seth, even though there's absolutely no reason to.

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