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[VIDEO] Entry 36
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jarnaez
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On the "what happened to Tim" issue I felt it was pretty obvious at the end he had somehow managed to hide on Alex's car. After he pulls away the camera points to the ground where he parked and you see what looks like a fresh wet marks. Kind of assumed that was blood.

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onetruepurple
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jarnaez wrote:
On the "what happened to Tim" issue I felt it was pretty obvious at the end he had somehow managed to hide on Alex's car. After he pulls away the camera points to the ground where he parked and you see what looks like a fresh wet marks. Kind of assumed that was blood.

Alex was bleeding from the stab wound, too, I assume. (bleed more???)
Grey Warden wrote:
"what do you want me to do"
"lay low"

*posts videos about his location*

Great job there Jay, great job.

Yeah, yesterday I was just thinking about how badly Jay messed up in #31 by basically giving his location to Tim on a silver platter.


Also: Messages was made by totheark not long after Tim found the camera in Jay's room in #19.

"I've been recording myself lately" => "You have been keeping secrets"
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HouseOfLeaves
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So, I may be beating a dead horse here, but I feel like the evidence so far really suggests that Alex was the one to send J. the package in Entry 26. Neigh? (lolz horse pun) Allow me to explain my reasoning.

4/4/2010- Jay receives an anonymous text message at 6:47PM: "41810"

also 4/4/10- Amy begins recording using Alex's cam, timestamp indicates it is on from 3:57PM until the footage cuts out at 4:05PM while all that Slendermayhem is happening. That means that there is a 2 hour 42 minute gap between the raw footage being recorded and Jay receiving that text.

Short of TiMasky hiding in a tree, jumping down and ambushing Alex to steal the tape, I think it's a safe assumption that during that window of time the footage was safe with our increasingly psychotic friend (unless, of course, the footage has legs and there was concrete nearby, in which case all bets are off).

That's my two cents.

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awakeasaurusrex
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Gus23 wrote:
yeah...i feel like what alex was saying in this entry actually led me to believe it was anyone but him who sent it. it's annoying that jay reached an opposite conclusion.

I think lots of people are assuming this mystery is solved just because Jay has jumped to that particular conclusion.

It's important for everyone to remember that Jay is a fallible character in this story, not an omniscient narrator. Just because he comes to a particular conclusion doesn't mean he's right.

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:23 am
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HunterEris
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Right. My long and detailed theory time. Activating rant mode in 3... 2... 1... GO!!!

04/04
The tape in Entry 26 that was sent to J is filmed. J begins filming Entry 26's introduction saying that he is going to stop making Entries when he recieves a text with 5 numbers on it.

05/04 (British dates, day then month)
J posts the text on twitter. The audience agrees that it has to be a date.

18/04
The date that the text shows. He recieves the tape and posts Entry 26. Alex has been on the run for 14 days.

21/04
The events of Entry 34 happen. J finds nothing and his frustration is building. Alex has been missing for 17 days.

22-26/04 (My rough estimate)
J returns to the house and the events of Entry 35 happen.
After the camera stops recording, J and Alex leave and stop at a car park for the events of Entry 36.

Theory
Tim planted the camera in Alex's house. The evidence that Alex did not film it himself is in his voice. He sounds nervous about the camera and wants to get rid of it.
Tim returns later to pick up the camera. There is no evidence that Alex and Amy took it with them and by the way Alex was acting, I believe he would have made Amy leave it behind.
Alex is watching his house after the Operator leaves him alone (since it seems to be occasional rather than constant). He sees Tim, possibly as Masky, get the camera and leave.
Tim sends the text to J. He most likely got his number when they had the interview.
Alex stalks Tim until the events of Entry 35. Amy has most likely been told to go stay with her parents and stay off camera, or something to that effect.
When leaving the shack,leaving Tim behind, Alex asks J "Why are you here?" and J replies "I was looking for you because I got this tape where you were attacked by that tall guy. I came to the return address. Why did you do that in there?", with Alex saying "We'll talk when we're further away from him."
They get in their cars and Alex follows J to the car park. Alex's car was most likely hidden just a bit down the road to avoid Tim seeing it.
While J is driving on his own his frustration builds even more until he gets out and shouts at Alex in Entry 36.
Alex calls out J on being easy to follow and send tapes to because of what he was told earlier. It's possible that J mentioned Tim attack him on more than one occasion.

Alex was incredibly angry at being brought back in by Tim after having escaped. Following my theory, this is evident. We've seen that Alex has gotten angry in the past and specifically at Tim in Entry 9.
Something happened between them and it involved the Operator.

This theory also goes with Tim being TTA.

After this point in time
J waits for Alex's call. Tim finds somewhere safe to hide and heal. We still don't know when noentry happens or if/when J meets Jessica.

Things to point out
J states in Entry 26 that he doesn't plan on putting up any more Entries, at least in the short term. People should stop saying "Entry 35 explains why he didn't post any more" because he deliberately went out of contact.

tl;dr Tim = TTA. Tim sent the tape and Alex stalked him when he picked up the planted camera. 35 is Alex and J's first meeting since Alex left.

Sorry for the wall of text.

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YamaKami
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Aww man. Before this I was positive that TTA sent the tape to Jay. Now I don't know what to think. I agree with the people who have pointed out that there's still no solid proof that Alex sent that tape, meaning it was never explicitly stated. And I have a hard time believing Jay's conclusions. Alex's words are so vague - how could Jay assume from that snippet about the hotel room that Alex sent the tape? Like awakeasaurusrex said a few posts back, Alex could easily have been referring to how easy it was for TIM to track Jay. OOG, I feel like they must have left it that vague on purpose. If they wanted us to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Alex sent it, it would have been more clear. Also, why would Alex decide on April 4th, the day of the Operator attack, to text Jay the date of the day he'd receive the package, and then wait long enough to ensure he'd get it exactly two weeks later? It's tricky to know for sure when a package will get to its destination, unless you overnight it, like somebody already mentioned. So if that's the case - why wait? And if he hand-delivered it, why leave it there instead of talking to Jay directly? He'd already been dragged back into this business; if he was going to get involved, why be cryptic about it? Then there's the nature of the message. It looks like Alex has been taking care of himself just fine, and he seems quick to leave Jay, so what does he want help with?

Then again... I'm seeing now the similarity between the "Help (X)" and Alex's drawings from the early entries. And then there's the fact that Alex knew where to go in #35, which lends credibility to the theory that he sent that package with that return address specifically to lure Tim there, who he knew would follow Jay. Maybe he wanted help taking out Tim? Also, it now occurs to me to wonder why, if TTA sent the video, didn't he just upload the thing to Youtube? That's his usual MO after all. I guess one possible answer is that it was TTA's intention to lure Alex to that location by luring Jay there. But there again - how did Alex know where to go? I think some people have already speculated about getting locations from Twitter and whatnot, but I have no idea how easy or plausible that is. And I've already talked myself in a circle.

I just cannot make up my mind about who sent the tape. The one thing I am still certain of is that Alex is not TTA. (And I hold firm in my belief that neither is Tim. Still in the "TTA is a third party" camp, and will remain there until there's conclusive evidence otherwise.)

Also:
HunterEris wrote:
"Why the hell did you do that? What the hell were you thinking?" sort of thing coming from J.

Ahaha, I remembered that post as soon as I heard Jay's outburst. You got the words almost exactly right, good job man! XD

And bravo to shoeler as well, whose prediction was also pretty much on the nose. This forum is getting good at this, huh?

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HunterEris
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YamaKami wrote:
HunterEris wrote:
"Why the hell did you do that? What the hell were you thinking?" sort of thing coming from J.

Ahaha, I remembered that post as soon as I heard Jay's outburst. You got the words almost exactly right, good job man! XD

And bravo to shoeler as well, whose prediction was also pretty much on the nose. This forum is getting good at this, huh?


I'm British. Therefore I swear. I like to add "the hell" to a lot of things~ Smile

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ArkyMcArkArk
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I've been seeing lots of questions in this thread:

Why is Alex suddenly a Badass? (Cold killer, call it what you like)
Why would Alex send the tape, if he did?
Where is Amy? (Alex's girlfriend)
Who was phone?

Now, for me, all of these questions have one pretty obvious answer. Amy is dead/taken by long, tall, and faceless.
Still not seeing it? STORY TIME.
'Kay, so say I'm right and Amy is dead/"gone". Alex is in a pretty dark place right now, and probably thinking of one thing: revenge. Now, who was the most likely person to have planted the camera in his house? And therefore lead to the Slendermurdering of his girlfriend? Why, none other than your unfriendly neighborhood TiMasky! Very Happy
So, in his despair (and not wanting to appear on camera again, because we all know how well that worked last time), Alex semi-reverts to his Slenderstalked state, scratching HELP (With operator sign) onto the end of the tape, knowing it would be enough to get Jay to come to the return address he'd use and that, therefore Masky/TTA? would be sure to follow, so that he can Stab/hit him with a rock.

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Leśniak
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I agree with what was posted above that Tim probably planted the camera in Alex's house (there's that segment just before the main section of the entry where you see whoever's holding it looking out of the windows for the Operator, then a quick cut before it's being held by Amy). My guess is that he probably did it with all intention of getting Alex killed by the Operator (or at least scaring him enough to make him go on the run again).

He then picks up the tape and sends it to J as a way to lure him to the abandoned house so he can have his wicked way with him there. My thinking is that once he realised that J was probably just going to give up and flee the scene, he had to do something pretty drastic to get him back, and that was involving Alex in things again. It's also more than likely that Tim didn't want Alex or J to find each other independently, because two people working together are much harder to intimidate and manipulate than a single person alone and panicking.

However, instead of dying or fleeing in terror, Alex simply gets Amy out of the house, and lies low until the Operator's gone (or possibly he knows how to pacify it now?), and waits for whoever planted the camera to come and collect it. He then follows them, and thus we end up with the events of Entry #35.

The most interesting thing about this is that it suggests that either before or after the events of Entry #26, Alex was aware of J's vidjapostings. If Tim had been keeping tabs on both of them, this may have been an incentive for him to plant the camera: Alex could have contacted J on his own time and screwed up Tim's game much earlier. However, it's more likely that Alex initially assumed J had planted the camera (because he gave him all the tapes) and began looking into it afterwards.

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My Theory:

Alex says "...hotel you are at, etc." However I think that he could be saying in context:
"They were able to find the hotel you were at, the room you were at and get a pacakge delivered to your door."

I think they are probably talking about Tim here. I think Tim sent him the video, as Tim knew where the Operator was, but suddenly before Tim can get down to explaining, Alex turns up, after watching J and his entries online. Then Alex gets the whereabouts of the mystery hut/house and turns up as well, not wanting J to know the whole truth (?). Then Tim realises Alex is there, then puts on his mask and tries to get stabbing.
Of course, this fails and his leg is broken. Then after Alex abandons J in this entry, (which looks like the park from a few entries back) J goes back to find Tim to see if he is okay, as J is a nice guy and all, plus he wants answers. However, upon arrival, our favourite tall gentleman turns up and wipes J's memory.

No idea where Jessica is in all of this. Still wanting to know where Amy is. Hoping the next entry contains some traces of Slenderman.

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killerkittycat
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IonCharge wrote:
My Theory:

Alex says "...hotel you are at, etc." However I think that he could be saying in context:
"They were able to find the hotel you were at, the room you were at and get a pacakge delivered to your door."



I was thinking the same thing.

We don't know how both Alex and Tim knew where the place was located, but I think that if Tim was the one to leave the package at the door, he probably left something with Alex too.

Otherwise, if Alex dropped off the tape, how did Tim know where that place was? Jay didn't leave any info in the entries as to where it was before he went there.

Just a theory

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Trying not to trout too many people here, so I'll try not to dwell on this theory too much!

Alex and Jay, at least, were able to escape the Operator from the original filming of the movie, Marble Hornets. Alex has managed to retain his memories of that time, however Jay's coping method seems to be forgetting the Operator and moving on with his life. When Jay re-found the tapes and began uploading them, it messed up his mental block and began to get him involved with the Operator; Alex discovered the youtube and, feeling guilty or chagrined, came up with a way to walk Jay along the steps that he knew would get him to a point that he'd be safe again. As TTA, Alex managed to mask his identity and any connection Jay would have with him, thus keeping Alex out of the fray.

When Tim was contacted, he joined in as Masky; not to say that he didn't don a mask earlier, but at some point he managed to get in contact with Alex as well. Alex chose to work with him to help Jay because Tim was in the area and able to do things that Alex wasn't, from out of state. They worked together, though didn't necessarily trust one another. TTA videos were made to goad Jay to post videos of what he was doing so that Alex could hear from the horse's mouth just how Jay was doing, and what was happening.

Tim interceded a couple of times, or possibly more than a couple of times, using both youtube accounts to post his own material (Warning, and later ######) and get his own point across. While Alex was trying to get Jay to dig deeper into his investigation -- possibly in hopes of triggering another mental block -- Tim possibly wanted answers or results of his own. After Warning, the youtube account totheark went inactive; it's possible that Alex abandoned it after it was hacked, or somehow disabled it. In ###### Tim could have been referring to himself and Alex, rather than himself and the Operator; it could simply have been that Tim's interception of Alex's prompts were a game for him, but that Tim was going in a different direction. 'totheark' could still be taken as both a call sign and a destination.

In any case, for whatever reason, Timmasky had begun to keep tabs on Jay as he ran, and though their partnership was compromised, giving info to Alex (or at least keeping communication open with him) as well. Tim planted the tape when he saw that Jay was starting to do better, not only to lure Jay back into the dangerous escapades he'd been doing, but to loop Alex in as well.

Alex texted Jay directly after the incident, not so much with a plan formed, but with the intent to get some revenge. He spend the following couple of weeks hatching a plan that he knew would get both Tim and Jay in the same place -- like most people have said. Only after he'd found the hut did he decide to send the tape to Jay, possibly pretending to Tim that he believed the camera was just left in the closet, and not a plant. It could be that, working together under the pretense that there was still some kind of alliance, Alex meant that he could pass the package to Tim to deliver, and that Tim could find Jay.

Anyways, Fragments and Broadcast could be from Tim rather than Alex at this point. They're less about pointing Jay towards useful information and more on dwelling on the faults and pains that people have undergone; more like Warning and ######, they seem more straightforward and peevish than chestmasterly. I still think that Tim is lurking somewhere, waiting for Jay to upload the video of when he gets his revenge (re-revenge?) on Alex. I'm not sure what his game is now, except that he's an insane fucker who enjoys watching Jay squirm. O_o I'm also curious to see how Jessica fits in to all of this. It's very strange that she'd come into the story seven months later and just disappears again.

I hope that we get the occasional video from the present in addition to the tapes being gone through! I think it would be nice to keep tabs on Jay's current condition as well as his progress from the summer. Surprised

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...If Tim sent the tape, how did Alex know where to go?


...if Alex sent the tape, how did Tim know where to go?

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dantheman3k wrote:
...If Tim sent the tape, how did Alex know where to go?


...if Alex sent the tape, how did Tim know where to go?


If Tim sent the tape, Alex has been stalking Tim since he picked up the tape from Alex's house.

If Alex sent the tape, Tim followed J there the first time and set up the ambush in case he came back.

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While I'm on the fence about many of the issues brought up in this thread (indecisive is my middle name), there's one thing that I'm fairly certain of: I still think that Jay and Alex didn't reunite until Entry #35. The way the entry started, up until when Alex makes his reappearance does make me believe that. Although, the way Jay vented out his frustration did make me lean towards the Masky set-up theory (where Alex AND Jay knew that Tim was in the house) other people have stated. At least to me, Jay's tone when he was throwing a hissy fit in the house had me feeling a tinge of fakeness. Interestingly, I felt a similar way when Jay yelled "You broke his leg with a block of cement", so I'm not on the Set-up theory anymore and blame the acting. ;P

Like what many people have already pointed out, Alex saying "You're not exactly hard to find." makes me think that he (along with Jay's other stalkers) have been keeping a close eye on him for whatever they want to use him for. I do think that Alex is manipulating Jay, but I don't really blame him. A faceless wonder has been harassing him and making his life miserable. Everyone around him is being affected and someone he knew stabbed him, so I think he has every right to be paranoid. Maybe he's keeping his distance and withholding information from Jay in case Jay ends up like Tim, but he knows that he can't get through this without some help. I can see in-between 35 and 36, Jay would be freaking out about Tim, and Alex would be like "Shut up. We gotta leave; we can't stay here."

I don't take notes of any kind, so anything I say stems from my horrible memory of past entries and posts. If there's something you guys would love to point out about what I said, then please do. ;D

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