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[WILD SPEC] The Forerunner artifact...
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chaotic_mind
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 		[WILD SPEC] The Forerunner artifact...
Once agian, random assocations have taken ahold of my mind and created a intriguing idea. I submit it to the forum to see it's validity.

* Melissa became infected with the Flea BEFORE she found the artifact.

Herzog talks about the computer trouble the Apocalypso had before the artifact. I took these "computer troubles" to be manifestation of the Flea.

* The artifact found was Forerunner, not Covenant.

Herzog calls it a "Covenant artifact", but I think he may've picked up what the crew of the Apocalypso refered to it. As far as I know, the Forerunner aren't much more then a secret ONI speculation. The rest of the Navy wouldn't be expected to know anything about it.

* The artifact created the Princess from Melissa.

I still stand by this idea. I firmly believe that the Sleeping Princess was a copy created by the Forerunner artifact to examine the craft it had been taking into. The artifact, whatever intelligence it may have on it own, crafted the Princess to invade the computer systems of the Apocalypso. her primary mission was one of curiosity.

I think the denied child aspect of Yasmine may be coming through on the Princess, due to manipulation by the artifact.

Comments made by the Princess during the question game would lead me to believe that the Princess identifes with her Forerunner heritage much more than she would identify with her Melissa "sisterhood".

* Melissa was able to contain the Princess.

She used a quarantine procedure, designed to limit the activity and interaction the Princess has with the computer systems of the Apocalypso. Another feature of this system was to leave the Princess open to scrutiny by Melissa. In short, Melissa trapped the Princess the Glass Coffin.

[Here's the most wild part!][Disregard, as desired]

* The artifact, spotting this turn of events, decided to try to find a match in it's library of coordinates for Forerunner sites along with the human astrogation library.

Having found a match, the artifact took control of the slipspace engine, and brough the Apocalypso with Forerunner slipspace wizardy to the match site.

Earth.

[/wild][/disregard]

* The artifact's manipulation of slipspace created enough distortions, that the artifact thrust Melissa back in the past, and created Durga.

The artifact is currently providing the connection between the past and future. I have no idea where it is right now (probably in ONI custody), but it's using and controling Durga to find out more about Earth.

Meanwhile, it's funneling the information Durga finds back to Melissa to gauge her reaction.

The artifact is curious about the origins of Melissa, hence the Kamal .wavs.

The artifact wants to find out more about where the Earth authorities have it, hence the "Herzog" and "Ronni" .wavs.

Durga ended up on Jersey's computer because Jason Morelli was the castaway.

And Janissary James was a fortunate accident. Durga started looking into at the request of Jersey. The artifact has no idea about the SPARTANs and what they mean...but it might soon. Since it seems Jan was selected for candidacy in the SPARTAN-II succesor program, as well as Yasmine... Durga's interest in Jan is sustained.

Well, I realize this is pretty wild. Mostly, I just wanted this a collected form. It's really dependent on initial assumptions tha very widely among the board, so I doubt this'll seem kosher to all.

Anyway, feel free to tear this apart! Smile

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 		Re: [WILD SPEC] The Forerunner artifact...
chaotic_mind wrote:
Once agian, random assocations have taken ahold of my mind and created a intriguing idea. I submit it to the forum to see it's validity.

Let's go through these and see what I think of 'em. Smile
chaotic_mind wrote:
* Melissa became infected with the Flea BEFORE she found the artifact.

Herzog talks about the computer trouble the Apocalypso had before the artifact. I took these "computer troubles" to be manifestation of the Flea.


Agreed. I think we can pretty much say this is fact.

chaotic_mind wrote:
* The artifact found was Forerunner, not Covenant.

Herzog calls it a "Covenant artifact", but I think he may've picked up what the crew of the Apocalypso refered to it. As far as I know, the Forerunner aren't much more then a secret ONI speculation. The rest of the Navy wouldn't be expected to know anything about it.


Spec, true, but I think this one could go either way. Hell, if push came to shove it could well have just been a tyre afloat in deep space. We need more info before we can tell what's going on here.

chaotic_mind wrote:
* The artifact created the Princess from Melissa.

I still stand by this idea. I firmly believe that the Sleeping Princess was a copy created by the Forerunner artifact to examine the craft it had been taking into. The artifact, whatever intelligence it may have on it own, crafted the Princess to invade the computer systems of the Apocalypso. her primary mission was one of curiosity.


I am not so sure on this one. When the Princess escaped, Melissa referred to it as a "Core Module Haemmorage", indicating (to my mind, at least) that the Princess is part of her core program, not a copy or a seperate part.

The Princess's glass coffin could well have been broken purposefully by the artifact, but I'm not so certain of that either.

chaotic_mind wrote:
I think the denied child aspect of Yasmine may be coming through on the Princess, due to manipulation by the artifact.


If my spec above is right, it could be (As is thoerised) that the Princess is part of the original memory dump from the human who "Donated" their brain. This would explain the childlike behaviour.

chaotic_mind wrote:
Comments made by the Princess during the question game would lead me to believe that the Princess identifes with her Forerunner heritage much more than she would identify with her Melissa "sisterhood".


Or perhaps that she doesn't recognise Melissa as part of herself, because Melissa is different to her herself.

chaotic_mind wrote:
* Melissa was able to contain the Princess.

She used a quarantine procedure, designed to limit the activity and interaction the Princess has with the computer systems of the Apocalypso. Another feature of this system was to leave the Princess open to scrutiny by Melissa. In short, Melissa trapped the Princess the Glass Coffin.


I don't think there was any scrutiny in there. It was merely a matter of containment.

chaotic_mind wrote:
[Here's the most wild part!][Disregard, as desired]

* The artifact, spotting this turn of events, decided to try to find a match in it's library of coordinates for Forerunner sites along with the human astrogation library.


Now you are basing this [Spec] on the artifact having an intelligence of it's own. Do we have any other proof to validate this assumption?

chaotic_mind wrote:
Having found a match, the artifact took control of the slipspace engine, and brough the Apocalypso with Forerunner slipspace wizardy to the match site.

Earth.

[/wild][/disregard]


Could an artifact control Melissa in such a manner? I think if Melissa identified anything like this happening, the Cole Protocol would immediately come into effect, and boom no more Apocalypso.

chaotic_mind wrote:
* The artifact's manipulation of slipspace created enough distortions, that the artifact thrust Melissa back in the past, and created Durga.


I think we can safely say that the artifact has modified Slipstream to dump Melissa in the past.

I [Spec] that the "Warp" is still in effect, and Melissa and Durga are sharing memory space (Like between apps in Windows, say). I think when Durga attempts to select "memory" from beyond the shared sector, Melissa is echoing that selection attempt back (Ergo the "Reflection").

chaotic_mind wrote:
The artifact is currently providing the connection between the past and future. I have no idea where it is right now (probably in ONI custody), but it's using and controling Durga to find out more about Earth.


Very shaky [Spec] there. Who's controlling Durga, if anyone. Again, based on the assumption that the artifact has sentience.

chaotic_mind wrote:
Meanwhile, it's funneling the information Durga finds back to Melissa to gauge her reaction.


Again, see the "Shared Memory" thoery above for another possible explanation.

chaotic_mind wrote:
The artifact is curious about the origins of Melissa, hence the Kamal .wavs.


Or is that the Princess trying to find out about her brother?

chaotic_mind wrote:
The artifact wants to find out more about where the Earth authorities have it, hence the "Herzog" and "Ronni" .wavs.


Or is that Melissa trying to find out where the artifact is now?

chaotic_mind wrote:
Durga ended up on Jersey's computer because Jason Morelli was the castaway.


This is [Wild Spec]! And why would Jason Morelli have any relation to Melissa, Durga or the Princess? Perhaps it's just random chance?

For that matter, why's Melissa on the ilovebees server?

chaotic_mind wrote:
And Janissary James was a fortunate accident. Durga started looking into at the request of Jersey. The artifact has no idea about the SPARTANs and what they mean...but it might soon. Since it seems Jan was selected for candidacy in the SPARTAN-II succesor program, as well as Yasmine... Durga's interest in Jan is sustained.


Or perhaps Melissa is trying to track down her old crew. Especially since McKaskill has just used the James' services to get away from the heat. Wouldn't you say she's trying to look after her crew still?

chaotic_mind wrote:
Well, I realize this is pretty wild. Mostly, I just wanted this a collected form. It's really dependent on initial assumptions tha very widely among the board, so I doubt this'll seem kosher to all.

Anyway, feel free to tear this apart! Smile


Hope this helps some, though it's all [Spec] on my part, and subject to assumptions and the like as well.

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 		Considering the fact that the Forerunner can build an installation that can wipe out all life forms in a 7 light year radius with just one burst, anything
is possible.

Your [SPEC] relies heavily on the "Artifact" having a very intricate plan and
therefore either very sophisticated programming or it's very own AI. This
would help explain the whole "accident theory" that puts Mel/Flea/SP on
ILB and Durga in the future but I don't really know if you're right about the
reasons. Who knows though, there could be a [SPEC] that was written way
back on Day 1 that is absolutely correct but sounded like nonsense at the
time.

I do agree, though, with your assumption that the "Artifact" is a major
character in this story. I myself, believe that although ILB itself may not tie directly into Halo2, the "Artifact" is so important that it will indeed play
a role in the game.

Edited: Because it was 5:00 a.m.

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 		AngriBuddhist are you refering to Halo?

If you are I should point out that it was not built by the Covie but by the Forerunners.

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 		[SPEC]vs[EVIDENCE]

1) While it is possible that this artifact is covy... remember in Halo, Cortana knew of the Forerunners. she speculate, "The covanenet were right, this facility looks forerunner in design"(Excuse me i was paraphrasing)

2) And it is EXTREMLY Likly that the Incitatus/SuperMega theory of the SP being the core-donor-brain-personality of Melissa is the tru7h.
It has gained more and more evidence as we go all.

The Sleeping princess has been part of Mel for a long long time now, well predating the crash or the artifact.

3) Very good [SPEC]. Janissary james a fortunate accident.
Makes sence, Durga subconsiously knowing about the impending invasion, and knowing that the hiding Spartan 1s could be cruscial.

4) Jason Morelli... I think not. One of my intitial theories was that Jason M was onboard the apocolypso. This was proven wrong to me by my associate, due to the quote of durga telling jersey his father was fine.
Though it may still be a possibility that durga, being a somewhat undamaged/disintegrated form of Mel, may have been trying to spare his feelings, keeping in mind her earlier mistake of revealing his mother's affair.
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Incitatus wrote:

4) Jason Morelli... I think not. One of my intitial theories was that Jason M was onboard the apocolypso. This was proven wrong to me by my associate, due to the quote of durga telling jersey his father was fine.
Though it may still be a possibility that durga, being a somewhat undamaged/disintegrated form of Mel, may have been trying to spare his feelings, keeping in mind her earlier mistake of revealing his mother's affair.


Or she doesn't know.
The Castaway wasn't identified. For all Durga knows, he's still in space deploying buoies..buoeys..buoyes...uh...beacons.
Also, they could have dropped him off before heading back to Earth.
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 		Am I taking crazy pills?
Who's to say that Durga wasn't the true AI for the Apocalypso? What if (according to your spec) the Forerunner artifact created a duplicate of Durga but because of the warping of space and time, the duplicate split in two becoming the SP and Mel...and the flea tagged along...
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 		Re: Am I taking crazy pills?
halcpu wrote:
Who's to say that Durga wasn't the true AI for the Apocalypso? What if (according to your spec) the Forerunner artifact created a duplicate of druga but because of the warping of space and time, the duplicate split in two becoming the SP and Mel...and the flea tagged along...


Melissa is mentioned in the dialogue aboard the Apocalypso.

Quote:
"McKaskill", I said, "sending messages off to people without clearance, you know, that could be construed as treason."

"Op! Melissa! I didn't mean—"

"And we're at war, crewman. Which makes treason a capital offense."

His eyes got wide. "But-but-but you got it," he said, "it didn't go nowhere."


Now remember that Durga is the name Jersey gave to the AI he found. It's entirely possible that Durga's real name is Melissa, and that she and the Melissa from our time are split or whatever, see the zillion other threads about that line of spec. Smile
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