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[trailhead] Mr Kat is Dead
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reesylou
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 		Ok, I think I may have something... maybe.

Working on the basis of keyed caesar still, I tried a heap of keys with no luck, so I took another tack, and attempted to reverse engineer something and build a key...

First, an (obvious) point - Each line has a different key

I have reconstructed the following for each line (which may or may not be correct):

41 Khnty Cofqig: Woq tepq o thqt?
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41 .e.ty .a.s..: Was this a test?
With a partial key of:
....h..e......ais..tuvwxyz


IwccEapQlxchm eacspwhglc: Ulp ra?
This one is the most interesting!!
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BillDesTaylor delusional: Was he?
With a partial key of:
e.l.d.nob..ar..sthu.w.iy.z
The interesting part about this is on the wiki site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Desmond_Taylor
Where it says:
While being interviewed by the police five days after the director's body was found, Mary Minter said that following the murder a friend, director and actor Marshall Neilan, told her Taylor had made several highly "delusional" statements about some of his social acquaintances (including her) during the weeks before his death. She also said Neilan thought Taylor had recently become "insane".


31pqfnTbolh 1922 pulouq: Brfqhuo qupq?
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31stofMarch 1922 secret: Another test?
With a partial key of:
.al..o.h...c.frstn.mevwxyz


Shghtqaut:Rfpqs Ljeq
Nothing for this one yet.

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ReygaPrax
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reesylou wrote:


31pqfnTbolh 1922 pulouq: Brfqhuo qupq?
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31stofMarch 1922 secret: Another test?
With a partial key of:
.al..o.h...c.frstn.mevwxyz


Shghtqaut:Rfpqs Ljeq
Nothing for this one yet.


You've confirmed the key that I'd worked out manually earlier.

This leads to:

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A murder in Germany on 31/03/1922: Hinterkaifeck.

Hinterkaifeck, a small farmstead situated between the Bavarian towns of Ingolstadt and Schrobenhausen (approximately 70 km north of Munich), was the scene of one of the most puzzling crimes in German history. On the evening of the 31st of March 1922, the six inhabitants of the farm were killed with a pickaxe, and the murder is still unsolved.


If you feed that into the cypher the final line is:

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Tamadshud:First Ones


A google search turned up this:

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Taman Shud Case

The Taman Shud Case,[notes 1] also known as the "Mystery of the Somerton Man", is an unsolved case revolving around an unidentified man found dead at 6:30a.m., December 1, 1948 on Somerton beach in Adelaide, Australia.

Considered "one of Australia's most profound mysteries",[1] the case has been the subject of intense speculation over the years regarding the identity of the victim, the events leading up to his death and the cause of death.



So glad the 6 hours I spent last night freaking myself out reading details of the Ripper and German cases was worth it :]

Thoughts on how to proceed?

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amandel
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 		That's beaut to see Cool Missing Wallace updated his blog today and will likely be neck deep in needing that info soon.
Also, am hoping this will be useful for y'all:

F.P. Sun from the trailhead email wrote:
fpsunSPLAThotmail.co.uk

It has been suggested to me that you may have more friends that wish to help and would like to receive messages from this account.

To that end, please give out this address and ask that people send a blank email so that they maybe included in any future communications.

Sun.

PS. My life is an open book.

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ReygaPrax
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 		Reading up on the final case I mentioned above there appears to be a code involved.

I should point out that nobody has successfully cracked it since 1949. At least, not according to Wikipedia.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taman_Shud_Case

In the back of the book were faint pencil markings of five lines of capital letters with the second struck out. The strike out is now considered significant with its similarity to the fourth line possibly indicating a mistake and thus, possible proof the letters are code:

WRGOABABD
MLIAOI
WTBIMPANETP
MLIABOAIAQC
ITTMTSAMSTGAB[32]


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Carebear
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 		I have tried every variation of the last possible victim (Mary Kelly) and all of her nicknames on the second line to decypher and I am stumped!

Anyone else have anything?

EDIT: Well while I was "trying" to crack the code you guys did a lot of work! Great job.
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ReygaPrax
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 		Couldn't find a contact email for Wallace though Louise's address is on the blog.

Sent her the following email:

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Hi Louise,

I wasn't around during the events in February but I have received some information which may be of help with Wallace's new case. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find an email address for him, I'm assuming because he wants you to play secretary. You really should have a word with him about that :]

I'm a member of the community which assisted you back in February and we received a new message with the subject "Mr Kat is dead" which included the following:

"Title: 2.1891

"Two seconds in the past was once two seconds in the future" - Serca ye Deke

Djqs Mlqqiadt Vicsif
41 Khnty Cofqig: Woq tepq o thqt?
IwccEapQlxchm eacspwhglc: Ulp ra?
31pqfnTbolh 1922 pulouq: Brfqhuo qupq?
Shghtqaut:Rfpqs Ljeq"


We've been working to decode the lines of text but so far they seem to relate to a series of murders:

February 1891 in the title relates to Jack The Ripper. Below are the decoded lines (at least as far as we have gotten with the connecting case information beside it).

Last Possible Victim (Current Connection Unknown)

41 _e_ty _a_s__: Was this a test? (Current Connection Unknown)

BillDesTaylor deluisional: Was he? (Murder of William Desmond Taylor)

31stofmarch 1922 secret: Another test? (6 murdered at Hinterkaifeck)

Tamadshud: First Ones (Taman Shud Case, Australia, 1948).






Hope this is some help with the current case.

Nick


Will let you know if I receive a response.

In the meantime, I think we really ought to work on figuring out the missing case(s) that applies to the top two lines of text as it may give us a hint of where to proceed from here.

Thoughts?

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amandel
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 		Coffee The murdered Mr. Kat's brother is Wallace's new client. Since I had the original "F. P. Sun" email and it predicts Mr. Kat's death 24 hours before it occurred (Yikes!), had just forwarded it to Wallace giving props to his new decoder-wiz pals.
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reesylou
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 		Looks like I stuffed up the keys (by encrypting instead of decrypting lol) but ended up with the correct output

With try to find proper keys again to get more info

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John_Galt
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 		I don't have any breakthrough's yet, but this is as good a time as any to jump in. I've been working on the "was this a test?" line and managed to reverse engineer almost the same incomplete answer but with a different alphabet, no shift:

OabcHdfEPgijklmnrsQTuvWxyz

The capital letters need to be in that spot and lowercase letters can all be shuffled around. The only difference is in that first word, .e.ty. I didn't get the y. Maybe that got mixed up with the encryption/decryption mistake.

Going off my sans y result I checked what each word could be: .e.t. and .a.s... The results are only what's in their dictionary, but it's better than nothing. I also did both together which gave a bunch of names of ordinary people, one actor who died a few years ago, and a murder case I can't find any information on.

One of the names was Betty Hansen. A quick google leads to this. Eight pictures from the crime scene. It's nothing gruesome but black and white makes everything creepier. The date, 1951, is close enough to be feasible but I can't find anymore information. Maybe I haven't found the right wording.

So basically I've got nothing, but it's so much nothing that it warrants a post anyway.

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 		Haha ReygaPrax you're going to invoke the wrath of Louise - be careful!
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amandel
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Wallace in an email wrote:
Always a pleasure, Louise says "Hi".

I really don't see how this pertains to Kat's death. Sun's information is almost nonsensical though I am sure he believes that it will help. I will ask my friend Bill Rouke to look into when he comes back from Cambridge. I've put all the contact details on the new site.

Louise wants to help with this case, I'm not sure it being a murder after all. She no longer remembers anything to do with the last case, I appear to be only one in the world that remembers why is that?!? One possible hope on that front looks like it was Foilhead trying reach me at least according to one of his blogs, only just read it. He doesn't have any contact details. I'm sure he will find mine another ally I hope.

Has anyone tried emailing this Sun, I know he said do not reply but knowing about Kat's death well is definitely interesting to say the least.

Speak soon and thanks for the help again

Reckon I'll let one of Wallace's newer friends wade in here by emailing F. D. Sun first whose mail address is in my post above.

reesylou, am quite impressed & hope you have time to continue. All I'd gotten was half of the easier one, "31stofMarch 1922 s" & kept messing up with "BillDesTaylor", thinking it must convert to "JackTheRipper" being the same length etc.. Props!!
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ReygaPrax
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distilled wrote:
Haha ReygaPrax you're going to invoke the wrath of Louise - be careful!


You may well be right.

Received a response from Louise:

Louise via email wrote:
Secretary! What do I look to like you a door stop! Men same the world over always expecting the woman to do all the work!

Check his blog again, it is right in the contacts sidebar where I told him to put it.

Where did you get this message from, I hope you are not winding me up I don't suffer fools. Normally I hit first and ask questions later.

L.


My reply:

Quote:
Hi,

I did say you ought to have a word with him about it. Having spent the last few days wading through the details of some thoroughly unpleasant murders I can assure you that not all men are expecting you to do all the work.

The message was received from someone called F.P. Sun via the email address fpsunSPLAThotmail.co.uk. I'm not sure whether that name means anything to you or not.

I believe a mutual friend has passed the information I sent yesterday along to Wallace and I'm happy to note that his contact details have indeed appeared alongside yours on the blog.

If you have you information on how to proceed it would be greatly appreciated,

All the best,

N


Reply from Louise at 18:27

Louise via email wrote:

Nick,

Fine okay, you forgiven for the moment.

L.


Phew, thats me off the hook. Wink

ETA: Note to self: Don't attempt to type large blocks of text before coffee.[/quote]

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ReygaPrax
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 		There is a new update on Foilhead's Blog which includes the following:

Quote:
Venona - ck gm mh sw go nv

then a long pause, I was going to hangup then

zero seven


Next code to crack?

This links back to the case in the final line of text:

Quote:
Taman Shud:

Rumours began circulating that Boxall was involved in military intelligence during the War, adding to the speculation that the dead man was a Soviet spy poisoned by enemies unknown. When Boxall was asked in an interview whether he told the woman if he had worked in a military intelligence unit, he stated "No", rather than denying that he had worked in an intelligence unit.[44] The fact that the man died in Adelaide, the nearest capital city to Woomera, a top-secret missile launching and intelligence gathering site,[52] heightened this speculation. It was also recalled that one possible location from which the man may have traveled to Adelaide was Port Augusta,[3] a town relatively close to Woomera.

Additionally, in April 1947 the United States Army's Signal Intelligence Service, as part of Operation Venona, discovered that there had been top secret material leaked from Australia's Department of External Affairs to the Soviet embassy in Canberra.[53] This led to a 1948 U.S. ban on the transfer of all classified information to Australia.[53]

As a response, the Australian government announced that it would establish a national secret security service (which became the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO)).[54]


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Bezza
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 		Playfair cipher
I am at work so no time to delve into this until this afternoon. THis looks like a playfair cipher!

ck gm mh sw go nv

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 		Old site
Have you noticed that Wallace's old website has change?

Currently traveling so can't look into it in any detail, thought I'd mention it.

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