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John_Galt
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 		To keep things organized here's what we still need to figure out.

Missingwallace.net (old site):
History rewrites itself inline with common misconceptions of the whole.
pi pe sw pl az km p d mo fr iw pb ku ha ue (p and d aren't in pairs, significant?)
Under the news section: Thu, 10 Mar 2001-Sun is going and darkness is coming...(That's also what the Nutty Professor said)
729 AND 333 ARE IN STONE (from the pages source code)
333 was the case number for the missing Edward Maad, nicknamed the Nutty Professor.

Foilhead's Why? Blog
Venona- ck gm mh sw go nv
zero seven
Venona relates to the the Taman Shud case which included some codes. None are the key to the playfair code.

Also, there's the quote from the initial email:
"Two seconds in the past was once two seconds in the future" - Serca ye Deke
Serca ye Deke is an anagram for keyed caesar which related to the murder cases, but we never used the quote itself. ROT-2 maybe?

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 		Got a reply from Wallace:
Wallace in an email wrote:
Reesylou,

Not sure why Sun sent us down this road, however he does/did have a "They" and "Them" complex maybe he thinks they are all connected.

Well the fridge men can not be the same man, maybe descendants.

How are you getting on with the two playfair ciphers? Looks like the keys are passed on.

Wallace.


Interesting, the comment about the fridge men, when my original mention of it was:
reesylou in an email to Wallace wrote:

So, what links them all? They are unsolved murders. The Carrie Brown case makes reference to a man described very similarly to the men with the fridge.


I'll go back and take a look at the playfair info again in the light of Wallace's observation that maybe those keys flow on in a similar way to the others.

On other matters:
Zobot257 wrote:
Also, has anyone been able to decode the xrmmheomgvf cypher thingy yet?

Yes, amandel did and it led us to solving the rest of the codes/keys in the inital email:
amandel wrote:
RE: the code string from the FP Sun email, "xrmmheomgvf", which leads directly back to "last possible victim"
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Another keyed Caesar at 0 shift with the key: roxieunderhill

Answer: carrie brown http://tinyurl.com/4dhwvlm http://www.casebook.org/victims/carrie.html



In the light of Wallace's "looks like the keys flow on"... should Roxie be linked into the flow of keys... I think not (that it was a PM prod on the relevant key/code), but what do others think?

Regarding the morse code:
ReygaPrax wrote:
ETA: Oh, and we need to figure out the significance of that morse code.
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729 AND 333 ARE IN STONE

Roxie in an email wrote:

Yes they do and they should mean something to you as well.

They are the core of the numbered, almost holy to them. They are the beginning and the end.

Ask the P.I.

Roxie Underhill

(07 92 80 49)


Roxie suggests we ask Wallace about the 333 and 729, so I will. But first, in Biblical symbolism/numerology:
    * 333 is transistion, change, travel or to awake (physically or spiritually)
    * 729 is the triple expression of nine, the biblical number of endings, finality, judgment, fruits and suffering.


Hence Roxie's comment they are the beginning and the end.
I do not know what that MEANS... except perhaps (pure speculation) we are dealing with a group with a biblical link... like/similar to the Knights Templar... perhaps this is a continuation of the events surrounding Feb 9 since Maad was/is 333. (I have some thoughts on the link between Feb 9, the numbered, and Wallaces new book, but will leave them unspoken for now)

My only comment so far about the (07 92 80 49) under Roxie's new email is that perhaps that was Roxie on the phone to foilhead. Will keep looking at it.

Phew, what a long update!

Edit: Went back and looked the following:
ReygaPrax wrote:
There is a new update on Foilhead's Blog which includes the following:

Quote:
Venona - ck gm mh sw go nv

then a long pause, I was going to hangup then

zero seven


and it translates using playfair to mccarthyismx using a key of 'The Somerton Man'. The 'x' is a filler. I originally thought it read 'McCarthy is M', but google helpfully corrected me by asking 'were you seaching for McCarthyism'.

So, McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. (thanks wikipedia)

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 		(Sorry for double post, but the last was getting too long)
I have been looking into a link between McCarthyism and the pi pe sw pl az km p d mo fr iw pb ku ha ue code.

I have been assuming the space between p/d insignificant (at least for now), but have not come up with much. Just so others know what I have tried and save themselves some time, here are the keys I have tried unsuccessfully:
Martin Dies
John Rankin
John S Wood
John Wood
Ku Klux Klan
House of Un-American Activities Committee
Bertolt Brecht
Bertholt Brecht
John Howard Lawson
Hollywood Ten
Larry Parks
Red Channels
Edward Dmytryk
Alien Registration Act
The Red Scare
red scare
communists
communism
the red ripper
witch hunt
Eisenhower

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 		Well before reesylou put the icing on the Caesar cupcake I sent some emails. Here's the replies & nice work on the playfair.

Louise in an email wrote:
Gertrude Lamson wasn't convicted of the crime though, I think Sun is basically saying that none of these murders were ordinary and that maybe they were a series of tests. That is how it reads to me:

Was this a test?
Was he?
Another test?

First Ones: Haven't got a clue what Sun is on about here, Wallace has suggested to me in the past it is one of his most favourite mysteries that perhaps the Somerton man was a plant like that dead body they used in World War 2 Operation Mincemeat. Wallace also said the man's cause of death was never proven. What killed him? Perhaps he was the first one to be killed in this method.

It is late I must sleep. Had a great date with a really nice old man (coroner) I always like older men, it was why I went out with Wallace Wink

Have actually read The Man Who Never Was and can recommend it. Operation Mincemeat Link Here Drowning myself in cold meds & back to bed. Rolling Eyes

And Roxie Underhill in an email wrote:
The Somerton Man was the first to be removed by the Group. Is was before Fred's time. He was one of the unnumbered. That is all I know about this event. The data will be passed on at the correct time and no sooner.

The number is almost complete.

Roxie Underhill.

(07 92 80 49 74)

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 		Solved it.


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
pi pe sw pl az km p d mo fr iw pb ku ha ue is a playfair cipher and decrypts to:

on es ev en tw ic e f ou rp lu sf iv et wo

i.e. ones even twice four plus five two

using the codeword Joseph McCarthy


ETA: It seems amandel got in there first with another puzzle to solve Smile Given that it is now 02:30 I will take a look in the morning.

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reesylou
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ReygaPrax wrote:
Solved it.


Spoiler (Rollover to View):
pi pe sw pl az km p d mo fr iw pb ku ha ue is a playfair cipher and decrypts to:

on es ev en tw ic e f ou rp lu sf iv et wo

i.e. ones even twice four plus five two

using the codeword Joseph McCarthy


ETA: It seems amandel got in there first with another puzzle to solve Smile Given that it is now 02:30 I will take a look in the morning.


Doh! I thought that would be too obvious so didn't try it. Well done!!

I think it should be
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one seven twice four plus five two
But does that mean 17174 +52 .... doesn't look right
or 178 +52 hmmm
or 1744 +52 looking better: 1796
or 1774 +52 better as well: 1826


Hmm now to work out the significance of that.

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 		Far too tired to work anything out, especially without another code to bounce ideas on. I'm sure the numbers could add up in a multitude of ways but it's too late now. Here's some things from those two possible dates reesylou came up with.

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1796-First smallpox vaccine. Maybe they're injecting us with something?

This ones really weird:
1826-July 4– Former US Presidents Thomas Jefferson and John Adams both die on the 50th Anniversary of the signing of the United States Declaration of Independence.


Just checked the clock and remembered it's daylight savings today so it's now an hour ahead and I just lost an hour of sleep.

DAMN YOU BEN FRANKLIN!!!

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Wikipedia wrote:
1826 – William Morgan (52), resident of Batavia, New York, disappeared just before his book critical of Freemasonry was published

My totally groundless, personal fav b/c there's tons to read about this and it's Laughing to tie Masons into every conspiracy EVAR.
Left a comment for Foilhead on his blog since that's the only way to find out anything more from him atm.


Update on the original Missing Wallace site with Sun is down, twilight starts... posted today in the RSS feed.
Quote:
Nf xf h Q qc qm fo

Despite what you may have heard The Somerton Man was one of the numbered. C.O.P.S. do not make mistakes.

Looks like another playfair cipher. Roxie told us The Somerton Man had a number yet this update sounds a lil defensive imo.
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reesylou wrote:

I think it should be
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one seven twice four plus five two


Of course it should, sorry. Fingers weren't working properly at that time of the morning :]

Update on Wallace's blog

Louise on Wallace's blog wrote:

'C' Report of Kat's Demise
Wallace asked me to post the information I gathered on my trip into the field. I do not want to upset or get into trouble the man (nice old man) I retrieved the data from so I have blocked out the names and password protected the file, see below:

Link to the 'C' report

Louise.


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 		Look at the big brain on amandel!

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Nf xf h Q qc qm fo with the key "freemason" decodes to:

Seven Hunters

I'm working on the password for the report so if someone else wants to follow this one, have at it.

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reesylou
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 		ARRRGGH, I was up until midnight, and then almost as soon as I go to bed something happens!
amandel wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:
1826 – William Morgan (52), resident of Batavia, New York, disappeared just before his book critical of Freemasonry was published

My totally groundless, personal fav b/c there's tons to read about this and it's Laughing to tie Masons into every conspiracy EVAR.
Left a comment for Foilhead on his blog since that's the only way to find out anything more from him atm.

Freemasons fit with my theory of a group like the templars... and they have been around long enough.

But, since most of the others (except the last) have been murders, how about a masonic murder on Sept 11 1826? (EDIT: just read Jahn_Galt's update - a freemasonry is the link, so this murder is more interesting now Smile


amandel wrote:
Update on the original Missing Wallace site with Sun is down, twilight starts... posted today in the RSS feed.
Quote:
Nf xf h Q qc qm fo

Despite what you may have heard The Somerton Man was one of the numbered. C.O.P.S. do not make mistakes.

Looks like another playfair cipher. Roxie told us The Somerton Man had a number yet this update sounds a lil defensive imo.


Roxie actually said the Somerton Man was one of the unnumbered.

John_Galt wrote:
Look at the big brain on amandel!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Nf xf h Q qc qm fo with the key "freemason" decodes to:

Seven Hunters

I'm working on the password for the report so if someone else wants to follow this one, have at it.

The Seven Hunters, featuring a "Phantom of the Seven Hunters".

Just found something useful for lots of situations: a list of ppl who have myseteriously disappeared

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 		Am imbibing cold meds by the gallon now yet really thought Roxie said in her email to me: The Somerton Man=numbered and Fred=unnumbered. Also, just updated my first post on page1 to a general overview post and will add to it as we proceed.
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amandel wrote:


And Roxie Underhill in an email wrote:
The Somerton Man was the first to be removed by the Group. Is was before Fred's time. He was one of the unnumbered. That is all I know about this event. The data will be passed on at the correct time and no sooner.

The number is almost complete.

Roxie Underhill.

(07 92 80 49 74)


Must be your cold, but definitely Somerton man = unnumbered. So whoever is controlling the old wallace site seems to be part of C.O.P.S and is correcting Roxie

My thought on the password for the file was Apollo11 (or something related to the Moon Landing), but have not found anything yet.

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 		Another foilhead update:
Quote:
McCarthyism - The Red Scare
It would appear the message I received via phone see below relates to McCarthyism

"Venona - ck gm mh sw go nv"

Operation Venona was all about reading the "Reds" coded radio messages so it seems to line up with McCarthyism angle. Why give to me I don't know. Are they perhaps suggesting that history once again is repeating itself this time in the form of the "War on Terror". Our civil liberties removed in the name of the greater good.

Remember my post about cliff hangers and history being full of curious coincidences, are we then at another dramatic point in history. With Nuclear power stations round the world going fut, what really happened on the 9th February (haven't got round to emailing the P.I. yet) and now this.

What is this 729 number as well, aside from the obvious maths of the number 9x9x9 = 729 and if you apply simple numerology 7+2+9 = 18, 1+8 = 9. 9 is the number what it means I haven't got a clue. This number came from my source regarding the 9th February.

It is said that God doesn't play dice perhaps he likes to tantalize us with coincidences with numbers, of course this is based on the Base 10 number system change the base and I'm sure these curious connections will cease to be or maybe new connections will appear.

There is a lot going on, the world is far from dull.


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 		Coffee Seems apparent Louise's riddle is related to a lunar photo-op. Last case there was alot of humor so maybe it's a pun?

For clarity here's the email Am wrote:
To Roxie Underhill:

It's become apparent that this email address is being monitored. Also, I wasn't hinting that you should pass Fred's data early, simply suggesting you may need to consider other contingencies to protect it and yourself. Finally, I'm still curious why Fred found it important for us to know that his "life is an open book" Thank you and good luck.

And
Roxie Underhill wrote:
subject: Number Completed

Some books are not always made of paper and people can show their lives to world with a click of the button these days.

Privacy is becoming a thing of the past. When you are being watched you are more self conscious and therefore more easily controlled. The Group monitors many, it is the price we pay for freedom. It is possible that I was in error.

The number is completed, we await you. Supply last key to continue.

Roxie Underhill.

245 Qbd Dfibq 07301975


Tried with no joy these words from the last key, "sevenhunters/Flannan Isles lighthouse disappearance", solved from the "freemason/William Morgan disappearance" clue. So Props John_Galt & am hoping this one leads to a new web address.
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