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Defining "Masky"
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TheBioGuy
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Defining "Masky"
Let's consolidate a few things...

It occurs to me that while there is the "Missed Connections..." thread for TTA, many people do not necessarily think that TTA=Masky, and therefore, they make all of these various masky theory threads that clog up the system.

While I personally believe that masky=TTA, I completely understand where the other opinion comes from, and will not be surprised if it ends up being the case. In the interest of consolidating all theories regarding Masky, I have decided to make this thread.

To clarify- THIS THREAD IS ABOUT MASKY, NOT TTA. If your theory involves masky being TTA, it is welcome. Otherwise, your TTA theories would be welcome in this thread.

Topics might include-
Why Tim wears the mask
Why the mask looks like it does
Whether or not Tim is the only "masky" (keep it civil!)
What relationship masky, totheark, and/or the Operator have to each other

Personally, I believe that Masky is a fragmented personality of Tim that is malevolent, though undirected and possibly (probably?) insane. But I could see ti going many ways. This is obviously not canon or anything.
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Great idea to open this thread. I agree that Masky/TTA are one in the same, but until anything is proven, separation is a good idea.

Another thing to add to the list of speculation is what Tim needed the pills for. I wonder: could "Slendersickness" be a way the Operator "creates" a Masky? Perhaps it's a way he gains influence over Tim. If Jay was one as well, he had quite the cough, along with Jessica.

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I've been fond of the idea for awhile that the Operator has a very... chaotic way of affecting people. It'd be pretty hilarious if his effect on Tim was just that Tim went nuts and sought to somehow "protect" the Operator.

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My two cents: "Masky" as we refer to him isn't a character unto himself. There are the characters we know, and then sometimes there's a mask. Usually it's Tim, though I'm convinced the twitpic with the mask is Jay (check out the distance between those eyes, man). I don't think there is any evidence whatsoever for any other character donning the mask, however.

The mask itself is a tool, not a magical macguffin or amazing split-personality-generator. It's hard to say what exactly the tool's for, though I'd tend to suggest that it's used as some sort of protection from the Operator, maybe to keep the Operator from quite catching on to the wearer's identity. It could as easily be a tool to keep Jay or even the audience from realizing the identity of the wearer for some reason. (There are other things it could be, but I'll let other people elaborate on their own theories.) I don't think there's a personality change with or without the mask -- I think Tim's just nuts in either case, though a functional enough nuts to live in the real world too (see Entry #15).

I think the pills are seizure medication, due to the fact that when Jay ganked them from the house in Entry #16, the next time we see Tim in entry #18, he straight up has a seizure. That's the only time we see that particular symptom in him, or anybody. Seizure medication messes with the brain's electronic signals -- inhibits them to some degree and in some form, which is exactly what prevents a seizure -- and crossing that with the theory that the Operator has an effect on electrical currents or fields, we have a reason why the pills are relevant to the story. They could be protecting Tim to some degree against the Operator, maybe preventing the memory loss that the others have suffered, which seems like it'd be a totally legitimate reason for someone to quietly lose their mind. Imagine being stalked by the Operator for years simply because the meds that keep your brain working also make sure you're going to be continually stalked by an eldritch horror!

Ugh, there is so much more, but I just don't have time. :c Maybe I'll visit this thread again later.

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My honest opinions based on what information there is
There is more than one Masky (well either that or he/she/it can do some verry limited shape shifting at least to me it seems like there are slight diferences in body size and type not much thought but unless masky is constantly going in and out of diets it's gotta be plural)

The masks have no powers they are just masks (ok and that guess comes from the fact that one of them was left just hanging on the house I'm sorry but I don't care how crazy I am if I have a magical power giving mask there is no way it's gonna be out of arms reach)

TTA is a masky (but like I said I think there is more than one)

Maybe I am missing something but I have seen no evidence that proves what I just said as false.

The cult idea seems sound but I haven't seen anything to fully colaborate that so I reserve the right to take that back

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My main issue with the "multiple Maskys" theory is that we have exactly zero evidence to corroborate it. Every time we have seen "a Masky" in the series, it has been Tim.

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TheBioGuy
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Before this goes where I see it going, let's make sure that we are treating each other's opinions as valid, no matter what they are. ChangoLaton, please present your evidence, since you claim that there is some. Zarggg, feel free to analyze the evidence when CL presents it, as I'm sure many will, and respond politely afterward. I just really want this to stay civil. I'm sure you weren't going to be excessively rude or anything, Zarggg, but I have seen these discussions go in that direction.
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I saw an idea that Tim wears the mask to hide his face from the camera. I thought that idea was interesting. As to why he does this, another idea i saw (none of this is mine) was that the operator "sees" through the cameras...and somehow travels.

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a theory, not necessarily evidence

Hi, I usually talk shop about MH on the TV Tropes forums, so just an advance warning in case I induce any 5-hour timesinks Wink

While I don't have any solid opinions on exactly who Masky is, I'd always subscribed to the belief that he was a very Blue and Orange Morality type of figure. Such a moniker may not mean much in a series like Marble Hornets, except that I believe that Masky and the Operator were never on the same side. I'm more inclined to believe that he's autonomously trying to draw Jay away from/to the Operator rather than being directly a Slenderminion/proxy himself. And while I can't exactly reason away a video like "Return" yet in concordance with this theory, there must be a corresponding explanation for it somehow.


However my theory doesn't discount the possibility that the Operator may have had a more direct hand in turning Masky into what he is. Maybe the Operator could have induced his signature Slendysickness in pre-Mask Masky (Tim/totheark/whathaveyou) except that unlike his other victims he may have had some inborn immunity in it. Meaning not immune enough to keep his sanity, but *just* immune enough to give him his own sort of low-level resistance to the Operator's powers (whatever they may be)

I'm really sorry, am I making sense?

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edited to add one random possibility in analogy form I cooked up to explain this theory:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Dracula:Van Helsing
Operator:Masky?


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Axilog, I've proposed a theory in the past that could jive well with yours. A name for a medicine that came up in the past when discussing the pills in season 1 was Piracetam.

The theory is that Tim took Piracetam for a preexisting seizure condition (explains the seizure in #18 ). However, one of the uses of piracetam is assisting patients with dementia or Alzheimer's. In other words, memory problems. The thought is that while the presence of the Operator makes many forget him afterwards (such as in #17), Tim's medication caused him to remember.

He may have used this at first in hopes of fighting the Operator, and one instance may have been directly before #20. He shows signs of an operator experience, chills, coughing, foggy focus, irritability, etc. So what does he do? He takes the pills. After a while, though, his dealing with the operator without the release that others had in forgetting the Operator.

This drove him insane. Not necessarily batshit crazy, but perhaps he willingly fragmented his personality to deal with the maddening effects of the Operator. One personality, Tim, to live in the regular world and interact with regular people, and Masky (totheark?) to fight the Operator and guide those who may be doing the same.

The pills were taken by Jay in #16, well, at least some of them. And perhaps Masky used that opportunity to take them even when he was stopping in on Jay, and that explains their disappearance, or perhaps he was force-feeding them to Jay in his sleep or something.

Could that help?
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TheBioGuy wrote:
Axilog, I've proposed a theory in the past that could jive well with yours. A name for a medicine that came up in the past when discussing the pills in season 1 was Piracetam.

The theory is that Tim took Piracetam for a preexisting seizure condition (explains the seizure in #1Cool. However, one of the uses of piracetam is assisting patients with dementia or Alzheimer's. In other words, memory problems. The thought is that while the presence of the Operator makes many forget him afterwards (such as in #17), Tim's medication caused him to remember.

He may have used this at first in hopes of fighting the Operator, and one instance may have been directly before #20. He shows signs of an operator experience, chills, coughing, foggy focus, irritability, etc. So what does he do? He takes the pills. After a while, though, his dealing with the operator without the release that others had in forgetting the Operator.

This drove him insane. Not necessarily batshit crazy, but perhaps he willingly fragmented his personality to deal with the maddening effects of the Operator. One personality, Tim, to live in the regular world and interact with regular people, and Masky (totheark?) to fight the Operator and guide those who may be doing the same.


So if I'm understanding you correctly, up until he started taking the seizure medication Tim was simply subject to the same sort of Slendy-induced amnesia as everyone else (Jay, et al.)?

That could pose a plausible explanation for why Tim-as-Masky remembers stuff that Jay doesn't. Of course this still begs the question of exactly why Tim would even make the decision to become Masky/totheark and "fight the Operator and guide those who may be doing the same" in the first place. And then there's the rest of what happened during Jay's lost seven months...

Jay approaching Tim out of the blue in Entry 15 might explain why Masky stalks/harasses/whatever-the-heck-you-call-what-he-does Jay from that point forward, but while the Masky-->Jay connection is there I still can't find a concrete Masky-->Operator one besides all our miscellaneous theories. Hopefully a future entry could directly address this?

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My theory is based on the assumption that the Ark is an actual place that the Operator is trying to find, as well as the well founded assumption that Tim is totheark. I think the Operator initially tried to manipulate Alex into leading him there, but seeing as how the physical form it takes is more or less a hollow mockery of a human being, his attempts were unsucessful. I think Operator's influence is similar to Reaper Indoctrination in the Mass Effect series. I don't know if anyone else here has played the games, but the way the Indoctrination works is that the more influence the master excerts over the indoctrinated individual, the more corrupt the individual becomes, to the point where they cease to be themselves. It seems very possible that Operator's influence works in a similar way: the more influence he has over a person, the more broken they become. Maybe the "Ark" can only be found by someone who isn't too corrupted. Alex is a resourceful dude, he found a way to escape the Operator for a few years, so Operator focused its attention on Tim. Either by accident or on purpose, he corrupted Tim to the point where he's basically just using him as a pawn to encourage J to find the Ark.
I also think Tim is a sleeper agent, capable of living his life oblivious to his actions as the masked man until that part of his personality is activated. It's noteworthy that when he was finally captured by Alex and J, even when J had unmasked him and Alex was about to attack him with a rock, Tim did not once try to reason or negotiate with them. He just growled and sturggled in an almost feral like manner the entire time. I think that's significant.


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Geneaux486 wrote:
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My theory is based on the assumption that the Ark is an actual place that the Operator is trying to find, as well as the well founded assumption that Tim is totheark. I think the Operator initially tried to manipulate Alex into leading him there, but seeing as how the physical form it takes is more or less a hollow mockery of a human being, his attempts were unsucessful. I think Operator's influence is similar to Reaper Indoctrination in the Mass Effect series. I don't know if anyone else here has played the games, but the way the Indoctrination works is that the more influence the master excerts over the indoctrinated individual, the more corrupt the individual becomes, to the point where they cease to be themselves. It seems very possible that Operator's influence works in a similar way: the more influence he has over a person, the more broken they become. Maybe the "Ark" can only be found by someone who isn't too corrupted. Alex is a resourceful dude, he found a way to escape the Operator for a few years, so Operator focused its attention on Tim. Either by accident or on purpose, he corrupted Tim to the point where he's basically just using him as a pawn to encourage J to find the Ark.
I also think Tim is a sleeper agent, capable of living his life oblivious to his actions as the masked man until that part of his personality is activated. It's noteworthy that when he was finally captured by Alex and J, even when J had unmasked him and Alex was about to attack him with a rock, Tim did not once try to reason or negotiate with them. He just growled and sturggled in an almost feral like manner the entire time. I think that's significant.


The indoctrination thing does sound plausible in this context, though I think it bears repeating that while Masky=Tim has been confirmed in-story, Masky=totheark is still up in the air (hence why this thread exists).

Just asking, but in accordance with your theory are you more inclined to believing Tim is a full-on groomed minion of the Operator (his Renfield, if you will), or is he more of just a highly unexpected side effect of the Operator's agenda?

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I agree with the mask being a tool. In one of the TTA vids, return I think, J's all laid up against a door with his face covered in paint (looking like the mask) and the operator moves -right- past him. I think the mask, for whatever reason, protects you from the operator. It also looks like in the videos the mask has evolved over time. The first one might well have been in entry...26? The one with Amy and Alex running from the operator. That one kinda looked like a Grim Fandango character.

Seperate thought here, if Tim is indeed TTA-

I think what's significant is that the TTA vids are all...different in tone. Some warn him, some seem to taunt him, and others just..don't make sense. I think what stands out the most is that Tim always attacks J, but never wants to hurt him. He stabs Alex in the most recent one, yes.. but if Tim = TTA, he would have had the drop on J when he went to any number of places. Thing is, we see a TTA vid with footage of J collapsing on the floor. If there was a malevolency about luring J to that house, you wouldn't simply watch your target collapse on the ground.

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axilog14 wrote:
So if I'm understanding you correctly, up until he started taking the seizure medication Tim was simply subject to the same sort of Slendy-induced amnesia as everyone else (Jay, et al.)?

Of course this still begs the question of exactly why Tim would even make the decision to become Masky/totheark and "fight the Operator and guide those who may be doing the same" in the first place.


In my theory, the seizure condition was preexisting, and Tim has been aware of the operator since day 1, not that it has any real bearing on the theory, but it seems like if he had a seizure condition, he would already have meds, yeah?

And in my theory, I would say that Tim's decision to fight the Operator comes from the horror of what the Operator is. Like he couldn't bear to have that near the people close to him? Maybe? Or maybe he didn't start fighting until Brian disappeared, and he's out for revenge?
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