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Defining "Masky"
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axilog14
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TheBioGuy wrote:
In my theory, the seizure condition was preexisting, and Tim has been aware of the operator since day 1, not that it has any real bearing on the theory, but it seems like if he had a seizure condition, he would already have meds, yeah?

Makes sense, though I personally feel I don't agree with the "been aware of the operator since day 1." I feel more inclined to believe Tim was just as indifferent to the Operator as everybody else until much later into production when poop started to hit the fan: Alex's paranoia getting worse, "screwy stuff" happening to everyone else around him, etc.


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Or maybe he didn't start fighting until Brian disappeared, and he's out for revenge?

I'll admit that I rarely got this vibe from Tim; at the very least I didn't really see Tim and Brian as being close friends like J and Alex were. Then again this whole series is told from J's point of view, so who knows what off-screen aspects of Tim & Brian's friendship we're not seeing?

Maybe there might even be a whole Tim-centric Hero Of Another Story angle here. Kinda fits right? This whole thing started because J wanted to know what happened to Alex, maybe the whole Masky business started because Tim was getting along just fine with what happened to Brian (and everybody else, I guess) until Entry 15 dredged up all the bad memories and sent him over the edge all over again.

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axilog14 wrote:

Maybe there might even be a whole Tim-centric Hero Of Another Story angle here.


I would pay to see Marble Hornets 2: The Tim Chronicles


axilog14 wrote:

This whole thing started because J wanted to know what happened to Alex, maybe the whole Masky business started because Tim was getting along just fine with what happened to Brian (and everybody else, I guess) until Entry 15 dredged up all the bad memories and sent him over the edge all over again.


It COULD make sense if you're with the TTA=/=Masky theory. But if you're the opposite, it doesn't quite add up that Tim would stop being batshit insane (there were already totheark videos) just so he could meet with Jay.

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axilog14
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Randoman96 wrote:
It COULD make sense if you're with the TTA=/=Masky theory. But if you're the opposite, it doesn't quite add up that Tim would stop being batshit insane (there were already totheark videos) just so he could meet with Jay.

*facepalm* I forgot that the first canonical TTA video was a response to Entry 9, the Tim interview being Entry 15. My bad.

Then again, a bunch of people in this thread did suggest the split fractured personality angle, meaning that maybe the Masky half can get away with doing stuff the Tim half doesn't know about at all...

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IMHO, It's very likely that Tim is not TTA, however he is the best lead we have so far.

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axilog14 wrote:
The indoctrination thing does sound plausible in this context, though I think it bears repeating that while Masky=Tim has been confirmed in-story, Masky=totheark is still up in the air (hence why this thread exists).

Just asking, but in accordance with your theory are you more inclined to believing Tim is a full-on groomed minion of the Operator (his Renfield, if you will), or is he more of just a highly unexpected side effect of the Operator's agenda?


I'm aware that Tim has not been confirmed to be totheark, which is why I referred to it as an assumption, though all evidence within the series points to said assumption. As for your question, I'm more inclined to believe that Tim is full-on groomed minion, the result of the Operator requiring a human proxy to act on its behalf.

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I'd just like to summarize what we know as fact about Masky, to make sure the various theories at least address them, and do not contradict them.

1. Masky is Tim.
2. Tim is not healthy, he coughs, takes pills, and has had at least one seizure.
3. Masky is antipathetic to Alex to the point of stabbing him.
4. Masky does not talk.
5. Masky has an unknown interest in Jay.

These are just some simple things to build theories on. I don't think its a great idea to imagine that Masky has any supernatural powers, or is under the influence of any, until we get some evidence that's the case. Not saying that any of these theories are wrong, just that I prefer to rest on the simplest theory until better evidence comes to light.

So at this point I think the simplest theory is that Tim has become ill to the point of insanity, and for unknown reasons he needs to find/follow Jay.

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Philosopher Xu wrote:
4. Masky does not talk.


The first time we see Masky, he says both "Boo." and "No!" Just wanted to throw that in there.
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Geneaux486
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It is also noteworthy that at the end of the Signal video are the words "Come back" and "Find me", followed directly by J going back to the house and finding Tim. Really the majority of the audio excerpt from "Silent Snow, Secret Snow" was eerily relevant to J's future interactions with Tim, particularly "Just wait 'till we're alone together and I'll show you something new".

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redherring wrote:
Philosopher Xu wrote:
4. Masky does not talk.


The first time we see Masky, he says both "Boo." and "No!" Just wanted to throw that in there.


I don't remember him saying "boo".

He also says "no" occasionally in #35.

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JKatkina wrote:
My two cents: "Masky" as we refer to him isn't a character unto himself. There are the characters we know, and then sometimes there's a mask. Usually it's Tim, though I'm convinced the twitpic with the mask is Jay (check out the distance between those eyes, man). I don't think there is any evidence whatsoever for any other character donning the mask, however.



this is what I'm seeing with the exposure adjusted:



I can't even tell where the eye on the left is

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The Twitpic is always the one that trips me up, too. The hoodie pulled tight (why would you hide those glorious sideburns if you really are Tim?), not to mention the hoodie instead of the jacket. It is probably the most compelling evidence for "Masky does not always equal Tim." At the very least, it still looks like the same mask, so it does tend to point away from the multiple maskys theory (ish?).

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On the other hand, it might be that they didn't have Tim on hand last October when they wanted to do that and were hoping the fans wouldn't notice. But knowing their fans, why would they do that?

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Randoman96 wrote:
I don't remember him saying "boo".


He definetely whispers something loudly, which causes J to turn and point the flashlight at him. It never really sounded like "boo" to me, but the general consensus seems to be that that's what he said.

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Geneaux486 wrote:
Randoman96 wrote:
I don't remember him saying "boo".


He definetely whispers something loudly, which causes J to turn and point the flashlight at him. It never really sounded like "boo" to me, but the general consensus seems to be that that's what he said.


Oh wow. I never heard that before. Sounds kind of like he's bumped something, said "Jay" or just made a noise. "Boo" seems slightly out of character, but then again, this was at the begining of Masky's character development.

Huh. Learn something new every day, I guess.

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cemetrygates
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I'm starting to subscribe to the theory that Tim is friendly and Alex is TTA.

Masky is notoriously bad at attacking Jay, but he managed to stab Alex. The distortion in entry 36 couldn't have been caused by Masky or the Operator. J is left a note with the safe combination, Tim then waits for him to put the tapes in his bag before scaring him off rather than stop him or hurt him(he could have possibly been trying to scare him away from the house during the first attack). But whereas Tim seems to be trying to lead J towards answers, Alex seems to be trying to get J off of the trail of something.

Of course, a hole in this theory is that Tim could have just talked to J about the Operator and Alex from the beginning civilly without wearing a mask.


EDIT: Also Tim is a crossdresser and Jessica is one of his disguises. It all makes sense now.

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Masky is notoriously bad at attacking Jay, but he managed to stab Alex.


This has been something that's been bothering me for some time. If Tim was really all that interested in attacking Jay with a weapon, why hasn't he done it before? It seems more like his focus is on Alex. In 35, it really looks more like he's just pushing past Jay and heading straight for Alex.

Going on the possibility that Tim/Masky is in fact TTA, it certainly adds to the idea of TTA trying to warn Jay about Alex, as has been suspected from the Sidetone video.

Also on a note about the masks, there have been a few theories in the Slenderman mythos that things like masks and possibly the operator symbol are a means of essentially tricking Slendy into thinking he's being watched, and therefore makes him visible, sort of a Schrodinger type situation

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