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[LOCKED] EverymanHYBRID 2011
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ZomgShaylex
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qaqa wrote:
I like the way you crazy, Mattwan.

Agreed. I must say his trees are my favorite.

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ZomgShaylex wrote:
qaqa wrote:
I like the way you crazy, Mattwan.

Agreed. I must say his trees are my favorite.

Seconded, or thirded?

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Lookbehindyou
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Mattwan wrote:

The handheld device of mystery does seem significant, though, and it did have a distinct reaction when the camera got close. Or, perhaps, the camera had a reaction when the device got close.

Let's make this tree mighty and strong: Maybe Arkverse artifacts can also, if used appropriately, allow passage between our world and the ravaged one.


Well, I don't take the mystery device distorting the camera as meaning much atm. Ever put a cell phone near a television? It can get loud and ugly.

As for your tree...when do we leave? And with that, I go to sleep having delivered the worst pun in internet history.

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Mattwan holds a lot of sense with that crazy tree I adore Mattwan's trees so much.

That whole idea that things in the storage unit were compromised is highly plausible. However what if the unit wasn't compromised only by Slenders or HABIT. Maybe this was something of a team effort or an outside party acting to keep things in a controlled environment. What if all the artifacts and clues that we have gotten are controls for the environment.
These controls could send it a certain way depending on how they are used as far as information goes. So the thing is what if the storage shed was a control given to the boys for a reason something that is needed for a cycle but the objects we have are a way for us to subtly change the controls they have been given. Like one huge experiment on actions and reactions of people and information.
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Mattwan, if you dislike the geiger counter being a Slendetector, try to think of it like this:

The monsters in Silent Hill cause radios to play static. But do you really think they're broadcasting white noise?
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Y'all are the best! Smile

Lookbehindyou wrote:
Well, I don't take the mystery device distorting the camera as meaning much atm. Ever put a cell phone near a television? It can get loud and ugly.

As for your tree...when do we leave? And with that, I go to sleep having delivered the worst pun in internet history.


Bad puns are also the best. Wink

And the idea that the handheld device is just leaking EM radiation, like a cell phone or vacuum cleaner or model train set (grrrr) near a TV, is simple, elegant, and totally plausible. Love it!

Karuvitomsk wrote:
Mattwan, if you dislike the geiger counter being a Slendetector, try to think of it like this:

The monsters in Silent Hill cause radios to play static. But do you really think they're broadcasting white noise?


Good point, Karu. Maybe it's just because it's been a genre convention for a while, but I don't have a problem with supernatural entities disrupting broadcast frequencies; in fact, I wouldn't even give it a second thought. It's just what ghosties and beasties do. It's the idea that they're throwing off ionizing radiation that gives me pause, and leaves me wondering what the half-life of Slendermanium would be. This may be because TVs and radios feel like magic boxes even though I (very vaguely) know the theory behind what makes them work, while Geiger counters and ionizing radiation feel very much like scientific equipment and nothing else.

And I'd like to see a little more explication on the controls theory, DZombar.

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I agree with you, Mattwan, but I think it's a little more nuanced - it's not about science or explaining SM, it's about the genre convention in which otherworldly entities give off some strange sickness or even a form of radiation when we come into contact with them, based on them being so alien and different from us, having spawned God knows where. It goes as far back as Dracula and as recent as, at least, stuff like Stephen King's It and The Tommyknockers, I believe. But that doesn't mean we can just automatically detect them with some gizmo. There is no exact science here.

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qaqa wrote:
There is no exact science here.


Exactly this. And that's what makes it so scary.

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Mattwan wrote:
Good point, Karu. Maybe it's just because it's been a genre convention for a while, but I don't have a problem with supernatural entities disrupting broadcast frequencies; in fact, I wouldn't even give it a second thought. It's just what ghosties and beasties do. It's the idea that they're throwing off ionizing radiation that gives me pause, and leaves me wondering what the half-life of Slendermanium would be. This may be because TVs and radios feel like magic boxes even though I (very vaguely) know the theory behind what makes them work, while Geiger counters and ionizing radiation feel very much like scientific equipment and nothing else.
Maybe it's not that he's throwing off radiation so much as him causing distortion or erratic behaviour in electronic/electrical equipment in general? So with video cameras his presence messes with the picture, with audio recording equipment the sound gets all messed up, and with Giger counters you end up getting a sudden burst of clicks for no apparent reason and the like?

Then the Giger counter could be like an efficient way of picking up on Slendy-related interference without too much of a delay; to notice the distortion on a video or a tape you'd have to stop and play back the recording, but a Giger counter gives you continuous feedback so you'd notice interference really quickly.

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awakeasaurusrex wrote:
Then the Giger counter could be like an efficient way of picking up on Slendy-related interference without too much of a delay; to notice the distortion on a video or a tape you'd have to stop and play back the recording, but a Giger counter gives you continuous feedback so you'd notice interference really quickly.


Oh, I get that that's the idea; I'm just (long-windedly) saying that it doesn't work for me, personally. Smile

I'm not even saying it's an inherently bad idea. We all have our own little idiosyncratic things that break the suspension of of disbelief, and this is one of mine.

EDIT because I lost the part that was a response to qaqa

qaqa wrote:
I agree with you, Mattwan, but I think it's a little more nuanced - it's not about science or explaining SM, it's about the genre convention in which otherworldly entities give off some strange sickness or even a form of radiation when we come into contact with them, based on them being so alien and different from us, having spawned God knows where.


I could totally buy that being what they're going for, and it's not like I'll be upset or anything if that's the road they take. I would buy without hesitation a model based around the antiquated miasma theory of contagion, but Geiger counters are so very single-purpose that my brain just throws up a "Whoah there! Why is Slendy emitting gamma rays?". It's a personal failing. Smile

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That's a good way of looking at it, qaqa. If the counter, or whatever it is, is really giving off signals when the Slender Man's around, I don't think the reason behind that is that somehow It's emitting some radioactive signal. I don't think it's that easy to explain, and even if it was, that's just weird, and I think that's the impression Mattwan's getting. Why the hell would SM be radioactive?

The point is that I don't think he is. What it is is distortion, of reality and its waves and beams and signals. The Slender Man does not belong here, and everything that is of our own reality reacts in certain ways. People cough, and bleed, and lose great chunks of time. But It isn't a carrier of any real disease, It doesn't have to touch you to cause injury, and It's not putting roofies in your water. It just is.

I getcha, Mattwan, and I agree with your reasoning, but I think we're looking at it in different ways, too.
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Well, if the Geiger counter is Corenthal's, he could have modified it so it picked up Slendy interference. *shrug*
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Glomple wrote:
Well, if the Geiger counter is Corenthal's, he could have modified it so it picked up Slendy interference. *shrug*
Or possibly he could have tried to use it to pick up Slendy interference and failed. The thing doesn't necessarily work the way he was hoping it would have worked.

Or maybe it's nothing to do with Slendy at all? Maybe it's something from tests he was doing on the kids to try and work out what was up with them?

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Maybe it's just me, but the way I saw it was that the camera reacted to being pointed at the device-- I don't think the noise in the video was audible to say, the boys in the storage unit, or else they would've probably mentioned it. And the noise only happened when Jeff was pointing the camera at it, rather than the other way around (it seemed to me). So I don't think you can say that the device was making strange noises and detecting anything, because I don't think it was making any kind of a noise...

To me, it seemed more like the device has some of the same... camera-influencing essence that Slendy does, and perhaps that when the item was handled, it even summoned Him, or let Him know where the boys were, or something.

As far as the vomiting blood goes, I tend to stick to something similar to what M proposed in his 'the tutorial' blog. Slenderman is wrong for this reality. He's not of this place, and he's not even remotely natural, and being near him basically causes people to start breaking down, physically and mentally, because of that wrongness and otherness. It's not radiation (slapping scientific terms on something like Slenderman seems almost futile, to me) but it's sort of a similar idea, so it could be thought as a type of radiation, I suppose. But I'm pretty sure that no amount of radiation will make you start vomiting columns of blood immediately without also causing your eyeballs to melt. Not to mention, if Slendy was radioactive, the boys would all have radiation sickness and would be going bald, etc. I just don't think you can apply a simple 'hard' scientific label to any of Slendy's qualities.

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Badgerconda wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but the way I saw it was that the camera reacted to being pointed at the device-- I don't think the noise in the video was audible to say, the boys in the storage unit, or else they would've probably mentioned it. And the noise only happened when Jeff was pointing the camera at it, rather than the other way around (it seemed to me). So I don't think you can say that the device was making strange noises and detecting anything, because I don't think it was making any kind of a noise...

To me, it seemed more like the device has some of the same... camera-influencing essence that Slendy does, and perhaps that when the item was handled, it even summoned Him, or let Him know where the boys were, or something.

As far as the vomiting blood goes, I tend to stick to something similar to what M proposed in his 'the tutorial' blog. Slenderman is wrong for this reality. He's not of this place, and he's not even remotely natural, and being near him basically causes people to start breaking down, physically and mentally, because of that wrongness and otherness. It's not radiation (slapping scientific terms on something like Slenderman seems almost futile, to me) but it's sort of a similar idea, so it could be thought as a type of radiation, I suppose. But I'm pretty sure that no amount of radiation will make you start vomiting columns of blood immediately without also causing your eyeballs to melt. Not to mention, if Slendy was radioactive, the boys would all have radiation sickness and would be going bald, etc. I just don't think you can apply a simple 'hard' scientific label to any of Slendy's qualities.


To be fair, I don't think that anyone was trying to apply any particular label to Slender Man, just saying, "Hey wouldn't it be cool if...." At least that's what I was doing. Very Happy

That's a good reminder about M though, it really fits.
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