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IonCharge
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Gogogo theories:

1) I'm in favour of the overall Operator theory that he parrots human things he sees. So, I think that the Happy Birthday was sung, by the Operator himself, parroting the speech. As you may notice that the Deep singing is slightly out of time.

2) As for the dates. I'm sure its the Operator/TTA/Whoever messing with the dates to point out a number of events. Such as the bees (Hornets), suits (Operator's guise) and accidents (Death). Maybe he was present at these events, or is trying to make connections of some sort, almost like he is a child.

3) Whoever posted these videos has access to the MH account, so it is either, Jay (or someone posing as) , TTA (see Entry ######) or maybe even Alex (might be a common password). I'm thinking it's TTA due to the nature of the video, however:

4) If you found a video that showed you throughout their child life, they had been presumably stalked by an unknown/paranormal/cosmic entity, would you not be scared? Especially if it has been stalking you or your friend recently, and dragged you into a whole load of ****? Surely you would be scared, or at least worried. I'm sure IG Jay wouldn't want to add the white text on black screen at the beginning and the end, nor detail it on his twitter feed, if he did indeed post this. But it could also be seen that TTA posted this due to lack of these features. We must remember also that Jay was suffering from an extreme migraine that was causing him to type improperly, etc. How he managed to type his password is beyond me, but i don't think that he would have the ability to add the beginning and end text. (Although Marble Hornets is spelt correctly in the tags, along with Memories in the description).

Really hoping for Jay to clear this up in an update.

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axilog14
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Yeah, I'm away from the internet for two days and a continuity error poopstorm had apparently just come and gone without me even knowing it. I have the best timing in the world. Rolling Eyes

I like this entry. I'm in the middle of reading through the whole thread at the moment, but I'm glad Troy and company appreciate that good story immersion isn't just about dropping plot-advancing revelations left and right; they gotta have fun with wrenching emotional impact every once in a while too.

Maybe I'm just saying this because my first Slendy ARG was Just Another Fool or because I'm an intense geek when it comes to cleverly applied literary narrative devices, but IMO the emotional punch of this entry definitely adds a little something to the series at large even though it doesn't tell us much of anything else plot-wise. Sure, it doesn't tell us anything new if we already knew about the original "Slender Man stalks children" bit of the mythos, but I still found this entry worth it just for my knee-jerk "OMG THAT WAS ALEX AS A KID Shocked" reaction to the video.


IllusionOfLife wrote:
When Slendy appears the dates change to:

Jun 3, 1900 8:23 PM
July 10, 1999 6:03 AM
Aug 30, 1891 1:00 PM
May 17, 1988 9:00 AM
Sep 4, 1991 10:48 AM
Jan 1, 1992 12:00 AM
Feb 29, 1996 4:44 AM
Dec 31, 1999 11:58 PM
Mar 3, 1981 9:42 AM
Nov 12, 1993 12:34 AM
Jun 6, 1944 9:99 AM

then back to Apr 4, 1991 6:03 PM

This is just my own theory, but historical relevance of the dates aside do you think these were specific days when the Operator had marked certain kids for his own special brand of noodly doom? Somehow I felt that Alex's birthday figuring in this was relevant somehow, maybe the Operator was just targeting random children who were born on those days and the historical dates could just be red herrings.

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I just read this entire thread. So many of the posts just made me angry (particularly the posts about everyone and their mother reuploading the video after it was taken down, when it should have been obvious there was some OOG video editing going on). I had a bunch of thoughts to post, but I can't do them right now.

This is still a game-changer. First confirmed (other than Jessica's dreams, which were previously considered to be unreliable) evidence that the Operator has anything to do with children. I just hope it doesn't bring out all the "EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT SLENDERMAN APPLIES" people out of the woodwork as a consequence.

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It doesn't make sense that Jay would have this tape, right? Where did he get it? He was meticulous about labeling the tapes (to avoid another MH tape scenario), but it doesn't seem like he would be able to put any date label on this one. So we can guess that this is one of the unlabeled tapes.

Why would he check an unlabeled tape? I think this tweet holds the answer:
Quote:
The last few tapes have just been of me driving around by myself. Where did Alex go?


My theory is that Jay was going through the tapes by date, and was getting nervous that he wasn't getting anywhere. So he checks one of the other tapes, and finds "something that makes [him] not want to go through the rest of these tapes".

The perspective of the video makes these look like someone in Alex's family filmed this. So if this is from Alex's collection of tapes, how did Jay get his hands on it? It's very likely that Alex handed them over to Jay as evidence of how deep this Operator business gets.

Since this is a home movie of Alex's birthday, either Alex or his parents watched it at some point - and noticed the Operator. The story from here depends greatly on WHO watched the tape, and WHEN they noticed the Operator. Maybe his mom knew about the Operator, and kept it a secret from Alex. Or maybe Alex saw it right before MH, which led him to film a fake movie. We'll find out eventually, but this does add a lot to the MH mythos.

One last thing - did the Operator symbol get drawn onto the tape in the past by Alex or his family, or was it added to the YouTube clip by Jay? I assume it was drawn onto the tape, as Jay had the Entry all ready to go. This entry is the first Season 2 entry not in HD, so I'm guessing Jay was trying to maintain its original state.

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MagicNein
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I still have no words for this entry. Bravo, gentlemen, this is the third time I've been rendered speechless after an entry.

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BreathtakingBibliophile
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Gleaned from the internet and friends, Possible relevance:

Jun 3 1900 8:23 PM (Nothing so far)

July 10 1999 6:03 AM (Independence Day for the Bahamas from the UK (probably nothing but given the nature of the other things...) Also Statehood Day for Wyoming)

Aug 30 1891 1:00 PM (International Day of the Disappeared, but nothing so far for the year)

May 17 1988 9:00 AM (Can't find much, apart from an article in the Washington Post about the Soviet Union)

Sep 4 1991 10:48 AM (Worries about Africanized killer bees/hornets and how many children they'd killed in Mexico/if they would move to America)

Jan 1 1992 12:00 AM (Turn of the year, looking at December 31st reveals it to be the day the Cold War ended and the Soviet Union breaking up)

Feb 29 1996 4:44 AM (Day AND year Faucett Flight 251 crashes in the Andes, killing 123 people.)

Dec 31 1999 11:58 PM (Eve of the Millenium)

Mar 3 1981 9:42 AM (Nothing so far)

Nov 12 1993 12:24 AM (Nothing so far)


PLEASE NOTE, I do have NO idea as to what the times mean, apart from the fact that (A) they're probably stupidly significant and have nullified everything here and (B) There is one impossible time and it's bugging the hell out of me.

Jun 6 1944 9:99 AM (D-Day and an Impossible Time)


Anyway, HERDERP, BACK TO DA VIDEO. <__>

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Zarggg wrote:
I just read this entire thread. So many of the posts just made me angry (particularly the posts about everyone and their mother reuploading the video after it was taken down, when it should have been obvious there was some OOG video editing going on). I had a bunch of thoughts to post, but I can't do them right now.

This is still a game-changer. First confirmed (other than Jessica's dreams, which were previously considered to be unreliable) evidence that the Operator has anything to do with children. I just hope it doesn't bring out all the "EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT SLENDERMAN APPLIES" people out of the woodwork as a consequence.


Understand, though, that at the time, it wasn't obvious. It went private literally an hour after it was uploaded. We didn't get confirmation from Jay/Troy OOG until a good time after it went private. They're gone now, and that's what matters. We were all trying to watch and decipher it, and having a temporary copy online was helpful to a few who either missed it or wanted to look into it more. It still sucks, but don't let it get you down.

As for the Slendy-mythos-purists, I would say most likely not. There will be some, but they've been IN the woodwork for a while. They'll retreat again. Razz

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To re: axilog14, I agree. This is the most emotionally-impacted I've been by a Marble Hornets video, hands down. Honestly, all of the SlenderVlogs have been stepping it up recently (included here is TribeTwelve... I'll admit, that last video took that series to a new level). This has been the biggest revelation for me, though, and that's keeping in mind that two entries ago we had confirmation that a) Alex and Jay met up and b) Tim is Masky.

What's throwing it into this high of a position for me is a bit of what axilog14 said and a bit more. This is video of Alex AS A CHILD. I know some people have shrugged this off as 'filler' but keep in mind the impact of having semi-ancient VHS footage of young Alex. Assuming TTA isn't Alex himself, this means whoever posted it (Jay, TTA, Masky, other?) had access to Alex's old family footage. That's f*cking creepy, no matter what way you swing it.

On top of this, there is all the distortion. Again, people have shrugged this off, but why the hell would TTA or anyone add some of that distortion, most notably the tracking static. That's pretty VHS-specific stuff. I'll admit the operator symbol seems added-in, but the distortion of date/time and Slendy appearance seems too natural to the format to be something 'added in' in post-production. The editor would have had to mimic the font and positioning of the dates, make some odd changes to the video itself (including removing the actual date/time stamp and for some reason only mildly distorting the visuals), and add in a Slendy. Sure, it's possible, but methinks that even if Slendy wasn't at the party, this might be a sign of his appearance in Alex's life. He does appear directly on top of where Alex is in the video, after all.

Beyond all that, I'm incredibly disturbed and unsettled by this, the first time that's really happened since I first started watching Marble Hornets. Some moments were adrenaline rushes (#26, #35...) but I'm still, hours later and in the light of day, uncomfortable. A college kid being stalked by an eldritch horror? Creepy. That same person as a child being stalked? Much creepier. Yes, we're finally seeing the tie-in to the original mythos about him stalking children. But it's clear it doesn't stop there. And it's also clear that Slendy/Operator does have limits or weaknesses. Otherwise, why (twenty years later) is he still after Alex?

I've had a plethora of theories running through my head, none of which makes me feel a damn bit better. Razz Everyone's entitled to their opinion about the entry, and you don't have to like it or find it as emotionally-wrenching as I (and several others) have, but you can't deny this has some impact on the story. This is big, and if the 'real' Entry #37 (which will probably now be #3Cool is anywhere near as big as this, we're gonna all be shitting brix like crazy Razz

tl;dr Seriously, just read it Razz Long rant about how crazy this entry was, and the impact it'll likely have on the series at large.

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morscata12 wrote:
It doesn't make sense that Jay would have this tape, right? Where did he get it? He was meticulous about labeling the tapes (to avoid another MH tape scenario), but it doesn't seem like he would be able to put any date label on this one. So we can guess that this is one of the unlabeled tapes.

Why would he check an unlabeled tape? I think this tweet holds the answer:
Quote:
The last few tapes have just been of me driving around by myself. Where did Alex go?


My theory is that Jay was going through the tapes by date, and was getting nervous that he wasn't getting anywhere. So he checks one of the other tapes, and finds "something that makes [him] not want to go through the rest of these tapes".

The perspective of the video makes these look like someone in Alex's family filmed this. So if this is from Alex's collection of tapes, how did Jay get his hands on it? It's very likely that Alex handed them over to Jay as evidence of how deep this Operator business gets.

Since this is a home movie of Alex's birthday, either Alex or his parents watched it at some point - and noticed the Operator. The story from here depends greatly on WHO watched the tape, and WHEN they noticed the Operator. Maybe his mom knew about the Operator, and kept it a secret from Alex. Or maybe Alex saw it right before MH, which led him to film a fake movie. We'll find out eventually, but this does add a lot to the MH mythos.

One last thing - did the Operator symbol get drawn onto the tape in the past by Alex or his family, or was it added to the YouTube clip by Jay? I assume it was drawn onto the tape, as Jay had the Entry all ready to go. This entry is the first Season 2 entry not in HD, so I'm guessing Jay was trying to maintain its original state.


It's very clearly a VHS tape of some sort (VHS, VHS-C, etc.). You don't get that kind of tracking on a regular DV tape. Also, DV tapes weren't really... around in 1991. My parents had a VHS camcorder. I think this is meant to be from that (hence the aspect ratio being 4:3 instead of 16:9 and it being uploaded in 480p instead of HD).

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Creepiest entry yet. I went home with a smile on my face, thinking it's a beautiful day outside, then I watched this, and left the house an hour later, with the feeling that the world around me might not be real.

Is this the same series that I've been watching before???

Mariolee wrote:
DoubleDog wrote:
Spritey wrote:
They fixed up the misalignment when Slendy pops up too.

wat

Slendy was originally to the far left, but now he's more in the middle.

He may distort sound, space and time, but going outside the video's horizontal width is a no-no.
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Ikekudeyg wrote:
This means Alex was actively working on getting other people as well for Slenderman. And burning the apartment not only throws slenderman off but gives Jay no choice but to continue. Continue to what though. To the Ark. Alex is the Ark but maybe not with initials other than coincidence, or just a joke to himself. What is the Ark I cannot even come of with a messed up explanation other than possibly the vessel which slenderman comes in.


Two by two he led them...to a hotel in Podunk. Jessica was a hookup, and Alex is a slendy yenta!

Random randomness: the name Alexander means "protector of men." As a word, "jay" is slang for a foolish or gullible person. This amuses me.

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onetruepurple wrote:
Mariolee wrote:
DoubleDog wrote:
Spritey wrote:
They fixed up the misalignment when Slendy pops up too.

wat

Slendy was originally to the far left, but now he's more in the middle.

He may distort sound, space and time, but going outside the video's horizontal width is a no-no.


Oh my god.

Make sure they never make 3D marble hornets

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Guys, if you ddin't see, Jay tweeted the youtube link. did someone hack his acc? or he is finally becoming The Operator ? holy crap, intense shit.

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redherring wrote:
It's very clearly a VHS tape of some sort (VHS, VHS-C, etc.). You don't get that kind of tracking on a regular DV tape. Also, DV tapes weren't really... around in 1991. My parents had a VHS camcorder. I think this is meant to be from that (hence the aspect ratio being 4:3 instead of 16:9 and it being uploaded in 480p instead of HD).

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I figured it was a VHS tape. There were some in the hotel safe (see http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31419&start=287). I probably could have cut down my "proof that the tape wasn't from Jay" with that, huh? Wink

Do you know if you can write/draw directly onto a VHS tape, and have it show up like the Operator symbol did in this entry?

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Minish71 wrote:
Guys, if you ddin't see, Jay tweeted the youtube link. did someone hack his acc? or he is finally becoming The Operator ? holy crap, intense shit.


I think Jay is posting this in his "weird state". He sunk into it during the Tweetpocalypse, and "enttry #37" match the pattern of his last few tweets (repeated letters, lowercase). Actually, I believe those tweets were to convince us that this crazy Entry was posted by Jay.

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I've read most of the thread, and a common theme seems to be that everyone is thinking that Slendy was stalking Alex from his youth. This is supported by the fact that what appears to be slenderman walks in front of the camera at about 17 seconds in, and the operator symbol over his face.

BUT, if we ignore those two for just a moment, why does this need to be? Couldn't slendy have used his strange ability to distort camera's to make himself appear in the footage, but not actually have been there? Its a little out there I know, but still it deserves some thought. Maybe this is a message to Alex or Jay that if they don't stop digging (or lead slenderman to the 'ark', whatever it is) he'll take them out before they knew any of this? I mean, most of us agree he is a time-traveling being right? Or maybe he is like Merlin, going through time backwards? It's all very strange.

The title also needs a lot of consideration. Every single entry before this has a rigorous form to it. always "Entry". Capital E, correct spelling. Could it be that Jay isn't the one who posted this, or perhaps he was interuppted in the uploading, and had to hurry, and just quickly typed 'enttry' instead?

Either of these theories seems valid to me at the moment, but time will tell which is true, I suppose...

Now, back to the slenderman like figure that passes in front of the camera. He seems to have facial features, and the shirt doesn't seem to be a suit. It could be just color distortion, but it still seems off. It could be that this isn't slenderman, but the fact that he moves so quickly tells me other wise. I'll take the video apart and look for more clues.

Also, has anyway tried to remove the static bar? Maybe there is something under there?

Now, the time stamps. Couldn't they just be slenderman messing with the camera? I mean, We have never seen slenderman directly on camera for more than a few seconds without extreme distortion, and very rarely, if ever, have we seen time-stamps before. Maybe this is just a result of his distortion effect? This could be why one of the times is 9:99, an impossibility on normal time conventions. Then again, Slendy doesn't follow normal time conventions.

That's all from me for now. On another note, this is my first post on this forum!

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redherring wrote:
What's throwing it into this high of a position for me is a bit of what axilog14 said and a bit more. This is video of Alex AS A CHILD. I know some people have shrugged this off as 'filler' but keep in mind the impact of having semi-ancient VHS footage of young Alex. Assuming TTA isn't Alex himself, this means whoever posted it (Jay, TTA, Masky, other?) had access to Alex's old family footage. That's f*cking creepy, no matter what way you swing it.

*snip*

Beyond all that, I'm incredibly disturbed and unsettled by this, the first time that's really happened since I first started watching Marble Hornets. Some moments were adrenaline rushes (#26, #35...) but I'm still, hours later and in the light of day, uncomfortable. A college kid being stalked by an eldritch horror? Creepy. That same person as a child being stalked? Much creepier. Yes, we're finally seeing the tie-in to the original mythos about him stalking children. But it's clear it doesn't stop there. And it's also clear that Slendy/Operator does have limits or weaknesses. Otherwise, why (twenty years later) is he still after Alex?


Yes, THANK YOU for putting it in such clearer words Smile
Somehow I find this revelation also works well with a couple other neat bits recently mentioned in the thread: the symbolism of Alex's birthday candles being his MH crew, and the jokey Victor Surge post of a Slendy prototype at a birthday party.

I'm definitely sensing the vibe that we're getting a better idea of how the Operator's MO works, but at the same time there's still so much we don't know. Why Alex? Why this way? Why the Marble Hornets shoot? What did he do to everyone else? Why Tim? Why now? And why Jay? (That last one's admittedly a less critical question, but it still matters in the sense that MH is "told" from his point of view)

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Slender Hunter wrote:
Couldn't slendy have used his strange ability to distort camera's to make himself appear in the footage, but not actually have been there? Its a little out there I know, but still it deserves some thought. Maybe this is a message to Alex or Jay that if they don't stop digging (or lead slenderman to the 'ark', whatever it is) he'll take them out before they knew any of this? I mean, most of us agree he is a time-traveling being right? Or maybe he is like Merlin, going through time backwards? It's all very strange.

*snip*

Now, the time stamps. Couldn't they just be slenderman messing with the camera? I mean, We have never seen slenderman directly on camera for more than a few seconds without extreme distortion, and very rarely, if ever, have we seen time-stamps before. Maybe this is just a result of his distortion effect? This could be why one of the times is 9:99, an impossibility on normal time conventions. Then again, Slendy doesn't follow normal time conventions.

I wouldn't be surprised if these turned out to be the respective explanations for this entry. I imagine that if this really is MH's last season, then Troy et al. couldn't be too bothered with piling all that elaborate narrative filigree on top of the bare-bones story they're already working with (No disrespect to their filming/plotting skills of course)

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